Are we in the age of covert biowarfare? - Why a high school simulation exercise has got my noggin joggin

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In the dark ages, I went to a high school where they made a really big deal out of how someday we'd be the scientists making tomorrow's discoveries and the leaders of the free world. It was ultra-selective and the students frequently went to every college you're imagining when I say that.

Oh yeah, and students lived at the school. Which meant that orientation for new students was a week-long process before the upperclassmen got to campus. You met new students and did cool challenge problems that showed you the amazing array of talents of your fellow students and maybe let you shine with some of your own.

One of the challenge exercises we did was a team-based simulation. In the simulation, a virus that typically only transmitted to rodents (hantavirus) had potentially spread to a couple of humans, and our job was to figure out how spread was occurring (rat to human? rat to other carrier and then to human? or the big bad, human to human!), and what to do about it.

We worked on the simulation for an entire afternoon. Every so often, an adult would come around with an "update" of some new information, a new infection, data about what was going on. In the first hour we already agreed to set up a perimeter around the city where cases had been. Someone joked that they should just nuke it but everyone told them to shut the fuck up.

As the afternoon drew to a close, we realized with dawning horror that yes, it did transmit human to human, and that three likely infected humans had already left town just before the implementation of the quarantine and had boarded two different international flights. "Checkmate, game over, winner: the hantavirus," the teacher somberly intoned. Then he read us the "epilogue" about how five billion people died and the survivors struggled to rebuild humanity. It was creepy! We all felt a shared sense of shame and failure. We asked what we could have done and guess what? The only "right" answer was the one someone had at the start...to nuke or otherwise blow the town to smithereens, killing everyone there in order to stop the ensuing pandemic. Sure, thousands would have died, but we'd have saved billions.

They said that when they wanted us to be ethical leaders, we needed to understand that ethics can look different when you can see the bigger picture.

I've been thinking about that ever since 2020 started. I think about that stupid simulation almost every day.

I think about it when it turns out monkeypox, too, probably came from biowarfare experiments. How it may be that the bird flu we're seeing jump the species barrier may be a bioweapon as well.

I keep thinking we're already in the era of covert biowarfare, and that we're all unwitting guinea pigs experiencing viral releases and possibly even "counter-viruses" designed to limit the effectiveness of the weaponized ones. And I keep thinking that at some point, it'll probably either really go wrong and kill a huge percentage of people, or they'll think something has gone wrong enough that they nuke some town from orbit just to be sure.

A bunch of those kids from my school really did go into positions of power and influence, including at NIH and NIAID. And legislative bodies. I know with certainty that people in those organizations were exposed to that kind of thought, that "ethical leadership" includes nuking a city and shrugging off citizens' civil and human rights for the greater good. Of course it's fine to counterengineer other viruses to put into the air to make your opponents' viruses less bad. Of course it's fine to cover it up. It's better than nuking them, and that's the standard.

I don't really know why I'm posting this. It just seems like we were all being programmed to fight wars we couldn't even have dreamed of. It's made me realize how much of the last few years, which seemed to come out of nowhere, was actually all set up a generation ago by people who have probably mostly retired or died now. To the people in these institutions and agencies now, this is just the way things are done, the way things are and have been and have to be.
 
Yes. I said at the start of Covid that we are in a new age of plagues. It’s becoming possible to tailor viruses to ethnic groups. We saw with omicron that you can tailor a virus and release it to stop an outbreak.
My government is doing it, so is yours.
It’s even more horrific when you realise:
1. Even the very best military labs in the world have regular leaks
2. The people running and doing this have curiosity but no ethics whatsoever
3. We still know very little really about how such diseases even work, so we are effectively children playing with weapons.
But yes, biology will be the new frontier of warfare. Human, and animal, and ecological.
Interesting times, etc
 
2. The people running and doing this have curiosity but no ethics whatsoever
not just that but milenials absolutely hate the humanity , now imagine them in charge and they have enough hubris to release something like that playing god and then backfiring spectaculary in ways that nobody has predicted . Either way may the odd ever be in your favour.

Say what you want about boomer but they didnt hate humanity nor were that arrogant know it alls .
 
That'll make your Aorta look like MLK Jr boulevard.
lol can you imagine that? Armies of microscopic organisms, both biological and synthetic, waging daily battles within and under the skin, and needing new shots and pills to update our bodies' firewall against invading cells created by enemy states? That'd be so metal yet horrific.
 
The military and all of the think tanks in the US and aroun the world write about bioweapons all the time. Recent publications have focussed on AI being used to generate bioweapons that cannot be attributed to any group or nation
 
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Biowarfare has to be the most incompetent method of war imaginable. Unless your side of reasonable immunized, that shit will eventually blow back and kill your citizens.
Yes it is, but you have to think of the mindset of these people. They worship science. They don’t see it as a method to investigate, they see it as a goal and good in and of itself. Science = Good. No matter that science can be used to create good things or terrible ones, like a knife can be used to carve a church altarpiece or slit a throat.
They are mainly very blinkered in their outlook, and not terribly bright. You see the ones who think they’re towering intellectuals like Yuval Hari and they have these huge gaping holes in their understanding of the world and how it works, how people work.
They have huge hubris, and they do t have the intellectual chops to back it up. They certainly don’t have the moral chops either.
Science equals good, and they bizarrely seem to see it is being clean, when it’s so very messy. There’s that weird ‘you deserve it’ thing going on.

They are very unpleasant, mediocre people. I’d feel less bad about it if they weren’t so thick as mince
 
I guess they saw bio weapons as better nukes, they don't destroy infrastructures, they don't pollute the surroundings for centuries, you can claim it was nature or whatever and you get that tax payer money for your vaccine. Maybe nukes are becoming, slowly, outdated.
 
I can't see bio weapons taking off besides accidents, it's way too volatile to target specific ethnicities (how would you even target Americans, who are the muttiest of them all?), can't be used covertly, probably affect you as bad as your enemies and will be answered immediately by nukes.
 
I don’t think that really happened to you. Hantavirus spreads though feces.

It was a simulation. In the simulation it started transmitting person to person via droplet spread. And the whole point was that it was unwinnable unless you did the unthinkable.

I wonder how many of the people we trust with high-ranking advisory roles in policy-making institutions have these kinds of trainings at some point.

It reminds me of when I looked into what the post-9/11 militarized police training looked like for officers. There were schools set up where they actually would set you in a shooting gallery and electrically shock you to represent being shot if you didn't shoot an assailant fast enough. They were being trained into a siege mentality and to shoot first, ask questions later.

Telling people to always be hyper aware that the worst could happen and that you could be a hero by pulling the trigger on non-reversible decisions fast is a recipe for disaster. The psychological profile of people who take the health policy or viral engineering jobs is already strongly tilted toward "likes to play God."
 
It was a simulation. In the simulation it started transmitting person to person via droplet spread. And the whole point was that it was unwinnable unless you did the unthinkable.

I wonder how many of the people we trust with high-ranking advisory roles in policy-making institutions have these kinds of trainings at some point.

It reminds me of when I looked into what the post-9/11 militarized police training looked like for officers. There were schools set up where they actually would set you in a shooting gallery and electrically shock you to represent being shot if you didn't shoot an assailant fast enough. They were being trained into a siege mentality and to shoot first, ask questions later.

Telling people to always be hyper aware that the worst could happen and that you could be a hero by pulling the trigger on non-reversible decisions fast is a recipe for disaster. The psychological profile of people who take the health policy or viral engineering jobs is already strongly tilted toward "likes to play God."
Don’t simulation bullshit me. Tell me how they modified the genome to increase droplet spread. Apply some real science to this show me the studies. Otherwise you need to take meds. I want to believe you but you’re being fake and gay.

If you’re going to try and post 9/11 me you’re going to need to go deeper than that. You need to look at the architect, Minoru Yamasaki 山崎 實. Your conspiracies are weak.
 
Don’t simulation bullshit me. Tell me how they modified the genome to increase droplet spread. Apply some real science to this show me the studies. Otherwise you need to take meds. I want to believe you but you’re being fake and gay.

Friend, are you ok? We were high schoolers sitting in a room with pieces of paper. There was no real virus. We were doing a school exercise, where they told us the "ethical" option would have been to nuke a town. No, there was not a real town or a mutated real hantavirus. Do you not understand what a simulation exercise is? Or a war game?
 
Friend, are you ok? We were high schoolers sitting in a room with pieces of paper. There was no real virus. We were doing a school exercise, where they told us the "ethical" option would have been to nuke a town. No, there was not a real town or a mutated real hantavirus. Do you not understand what a simulation exercise is? Or a war game?
Fake and gay. Comparing real world horrors and atrocities to simulations and war games is biased thinking. It’s much worse than that. I think you’re fibbing about your high school story and you’re a stinky head.
 
And the whole point was that it was unwinnable unless you did the unthinkable.
Funny how they started saying- in just the past 12ish years- that the Milgram experiment is "too flawed" to draw conclusions from, and they even came up with some kind of metoo denouement for Philip Zimbardo, who was always banging on inconveniently about the same sorts of things.
 
and will be answered immediately by nukes.
Nobody has been nuked for covid, gruinard island, or the experiments the British and American governments have admitted to conducting on their own citizens.
Deniability is part of the appeal.
I’m not sure if you’re Israeli? I’ve worked with a few groups there over the years. (And enjoyed doing so, they were fun, slightly mad but ok.) all on very ‘safe’ projects for illnesses, not weapons work just to be clear.

Anyway, Israel is absolutely rabid about taking genetic samples out of the country. You cannot do it without a million approvals and mainly you can’t do it at all. If you want to test if a patient has a specific mutation you need to convince all sorts of ethics board of the need to take a sample and they will only let you ship them to certain places. Looking back on this, o can see why they do not want the genetic data of their people in foreign hands.
Remember during coof when they (uk ) were caught selling used test swabs to a genetics company?
 
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