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[Meriasek]

That “stroad” has both a bike trail and a sidewalk. If bike trail was paved with red asphalt and was in the Netherlands, he’d be bragging about it.

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Yeah, but it still has three lanes per direction for cars, so it's no bueno.
It's not enough that things are better his people, things must be worse for the dreaded other people.

 

[Bonesjones]

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You can't fix it without extreme financial, opportunity, and political costs? I thought it was supposed to be a more workable effective solution?

Saying the quiet part out loud there. We don't care what it takes just make our dreams come true.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

That “stroad” has both a bike trail and a sidewalk. If bike trail was paved with red asphalt and was in the Netherlands, he’d be bragging about it.

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Well of course he has to hate it because it's in London, Ontario, his hometown which he despises so much for muh strooods. Much like many of the strooods in the United States, it's an outgrowth of an actual highway (as in, a main street), in this specific case Ontario Highway 22.

Jason is still upset about being called a doomer:

That railroad crossing is a death trap to bicycles. If you have a railroad crossing at anything less than a perpendicular angle, that thing will trap wheels in it and flip over bicycles.

Jason: "I can't make a video copying this book because I couldn't get the copyrights."

I was curious so I procured a PDF. He says that the issue is the images are copyrighted and he can't get permission. Basically it involves squeezing in buildings on every square inch of land, not just "what if we carved out some parking space in Walmart for a parking garage" but "what if we built housing on the easement between a McDonald's drive-through and the street"



This of course appeals to power-hungry pseudointellectuals like Jason, but I can't imagine why he couldn't go into one of those 3D aerials and have an "intern" draw a mockup over it for something similar.

 

[Yamamura]

They actually build a new model last year called the Motocompacto.
It's cool, but just like the original it doesn't really make a lot of sense when you consider how annoying it is to pull out and set up. In reality most people don't really have that far of a walk from their parking in general, so this is less of a product that solves a problem and more a cute marketing gimmick.

For bike commuters, a folding bike isn't really that much more inconvenient than this and is way more capable. For car drivers, let's be real you weren't considering this anyways.

In my head the one practical use I thought of for this is if your car breaks down or runs out of gas (in the 80s) and for some reason you can't get roadside assistance you could theoretically pop open your trunk and ride down the breakdown lane depending on how brave you are.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

This of course appeals to power-hungry pseudointellectuals like Jason, but I can't imagine why he couldn't go into one of those 3D aerials and have an "intern" draw a mockup over it for something similar.

Because he's a cheap and lazy fuck and is too much of an asshole to cooperate with anyone else.

Also that is known as updensity and it happens naturally overtime when it is worthwhile to do so. The problem is it's often not worthwhile because nobody really wants it. A nearby small town just did something akin to that and built a 55+ holding facility, and it's everything they could ever want.

The thing is, when you do all the math, replacing a parking lot with a development is usually not profitable unless you have rich assholes overpaying for luxury condominiums or some shit. Things are expensive and a single family home in the USA is basically the cheapest building ever designed. There are not that many cost savings from combined buildings/apartments until you get them really massive.

 

[Bonesjones]

I was curious so I procured a PDF. He says that the issue is the images are copyrighted and he can't get permission. Basically it involves squeezing in buildings on every square inch of land, not just "what if we carved out some parking space in Walmart for a parking garage" but "what if we built housing on the easement between a McDonald's drive-through and the street"

People love living right by really noisy streets, restaurants, with tons of traffic outside their doors and windows. It's definitely not really fucking annoying when it goes on 24/7 like outside a fast food restaurant.

In my head the one practical use I thought of for this is if your car breaks down or runs out of gas (in the 80s) and for some reason you can't get roadside assistance you could theoretically pop open your trunk and ride down the breakdown lane depending on how brave you are.

They used to call them "pit bikes" since small portable scooters were perfect for traveling all over the parking lot and pit areas during race days.

Things are expensive and a single family home in the USA is basically the cheapest building ever designed.

Its like everyone finding out about tiny homes and finding you can turn a 5000 dollar shed into a livable shack. It only takes another 20k to put in all the modern luxuries we all expect in a house. The outside is practically free compared to all the utilities and finish work.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Density is a side effect, it's not desirable in itself.

Someone I know is selling his (nice) house and moving into a (nice, brand new) townhouse (in a neighborhood full of rich white people) because "we need density" (direct quote). The reality is he just doesn't want to bother with yard upkeep anymore, so moving into a townhome with 4 square feet of yard that the HOA mows for him is fine. I think the "we need density" is an altruistic-sounding excuse by people who really just want less responsibility.

 

[quaawaa]

Senator J.D. Vance (R-OH) tweeted about a solution to the housing crisis:

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Predictably, this caused urbanists to crawl out of the woodwork but because Sen. Vance’s followers are in the thread, they’re getting a lot of pushback:

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The Transit Guy (one of the most prolific Twitter urbanists) makes an appearance:






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Not the lack of replies to most of the anti-urbanist tweets. They really don‘t like interacting with people outside of the cult.

 

[Yamamura]

Senator J.D. Vance (R-OH) tweeted about a solution to the housing crisis:
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Predictably, this caused urbanists to crawl out of the woodwork but because Sen. Vance’s followers are in the thread, they’re getting a lot of pushback:
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Not the lack of replies to most of the anti-urbanist tweets. They really don‘t like interacting with people outside of the cult.

I love seeing urbanists finally getting their shit pushed in. I feel like they've become too bold due to the lack of push back in their reddit and twitter clone echo chambers away from reality for a while.

We need to see more anti urbanism figures start coming out.

 

[TowinKarz]

I love seeing urbanists finally getting their shit pushed in. I feel like they've become too bold due to the lack of push back in their reddit and twitter clone echo chambers away from reality for a while.

We need to see more anti urbanism figures start coming out.

Eh, they wouldn't learn anything anyway.

All they'd learn is what forums to avoid because they're "full of trolls" (didn't agree with them)

To hardcore leftists, there is no genuine opposition, only special interest groups and trolls.

Its why they always end up in these insular self-reinforcing communities in the first place.

 

[Internet Wizard]

Senator J.D. Vance (R-OH) tweeted about a solution to the housing crisis:
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Predictably, this caused urbanists to crawl out of the woodwork but because Sen. Vance’s followers are in the thread, they’re getting a lot of pushback:
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Not the lack of replies to most of the anti-urbanist tweets. They really don‘t like interacting with people outside of the cult.

There's subjectivity and objectivity. Urbanists love toying with both of them, as they'll be very objective in some areas (land use, zoning, Der Ewige Stroad) yet extraordinarily objective in others (macro level things like population growth/decline). What makes them so deceitful is that they confuse viewers into thinking the subjective is the objective, and that for example you can't have a healthy city unless you let dozens of immigrants flood in because it's the Right Thing To Do.
They have absolutely zero interest in trying to be nuanced on this, they have zero interest in researching or learning population theories - why and how migrants find housing, how supply and demand have changed due to recent immigration trends, etc. They'll pull the blueprints out to design a new bike lane, but ask them to actually prove why ceaseless migration is good for the housing stock and they'll scratch their heads and call you a Chud - because they don't want you to ask questions, they want you to focus on meaningless lifestylist design shlock and leave the macro processes to Breadtube

 

[Yamamura]

Eh, they wouldn't learn anything anyway.

All they'd learn is what forums to avoid because they're "full of trolls" (didn't agree with them)

To hardcore leftists, there is no genuine opposition, only special interest groups and trolls.

Its why they always end up in these insular self-reinforcing communities in the first place.

Oh I don't need them to learn, I just need their ideas to not spread into public discourse unchallenged. If they want to stay in their echo chambers that's fine. Hopefully one day they have a similar moment as Anti Work did on Fox where they get humiliated when actually questioned on their ideas at a national level. They already told their members no matter what don't talk to any media outlets because they know one of their own is going to fuck it up.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Well it appears that the concept of the Third Place might be falling out of favor with the more Marxian inclined.

Third Place vs Right to the City

I didn't have time to watch the whole video. I only watched the first 15 minutes or so, which is impressive cuz I usually go MATI when I watch socialist sperg like this.
The basic premise is that Ray Oldenburg wasn't a leftist *gasp*, and that he was a misogynist and a homophobe i.e. a bigot *even more gasping*, and possibly an alcoholic too. And what we really should do is let the community decide on how to urbanize, and only let them urbanize, because after all you have a Right to the City. Oh by the way we are gonna take all the surplus and distribute it as we see fit.
Granted this is a smaller youtuber, but looking at his numbers he is in the growth phase and will probably start to gain traction with other Breadtubers.

I looked up "right to the city" and it seems to be commie-speak for being able to loiter, camp in the streets, and fuck you to any gated communities (and private property in general). With that in mind, it's not quite horseshoe theory but there is more of a similarity to "drive where you want to go to your favorite stores/restaurants" than "stay in your designated zone, citizen".

Also that is known as updensity and it happens naturally overtime when it is worthwhile to do so. The problem is it's often not worthwhile because nobody really wants it. A nearby small town just did something akin to that and built a 55+ holding facility, and it's everything they could ever want.

The thing is, when you do all the math, replacing a parking lot with a development is usually not profitable unless you have rich assholes overpaying for luxury condominiums or some shit. Things are expensive and a single family home in the USA is basically the cheapest building ever designed. There are not that many cost savings from combined buildings/apartments until you get them really massive.

Exactly. Apartments can and do exist in suburbs, but mixed-use development struggles in suburban areas because the rent is so much higher than anything else. Even in large cities it isn't a guaranteed success. The same thing with land value. This is why parking lots exist in downtown areas, is that it's so expensive to build something (because of improvements costs on land value) that they basically can't build anything on it unless it's a giant skyscraper or a luxury apartment block.

Predictably, this caused urbanists to crawl out of the woodwork but because Sen. Vance’s followers are in the thread, they’re getting a lot of pushback:

Urbanists know that construction/demolition will change a neighborhood, often for the worse. Even if the disappearances of downtown buildings happened exactly as stated ("they demolished it for cars", etc.) it's not the same anymore.

When this is applied to other neighborhoods (turning single-family lots into bughives) it has the same effect. Even if some of the same people stayed around, it's not the same neighborhood.

There's subjectivity and objectivity. Urbanists love toying with both of them, as they'll be very objective in some areas (land use, zoning, Der Ewige Stroad) yet extraordinarily objective in others (macro level things like population growth/decline). What makes them so deceitful is that they confuse viewers into thinking the subjective is the objective, and that for example you can't have a healthy city unless you let dozens of immigrants flood in because it's the Right Thing To Do.
They have absolutely zero interest in trying to be nuanced on this, they have zero interest in researching or learning population theories - why and how migrants find housing, how supply and demand have changed due to recent immigration trends, etc. They'll pull the blueprints out to design a new bike lane, but ask them to actually prove why ceaseless migration is good for the housing stock and they'll scratch their heads and call you a Chud - because they don't want you to ask questions, they want you to focus on meaningless lifestylist design shlock and leave the macro processes to Breadtube

I disagree with the premise that "urbanists are objective in some areas". Most of the favorite urbanist topics—zoning, induced demand, muh strooods, land value, the death of streetcars, are either falsified or wildly misrepresented.

 

[Internet Wizard]

I disagree with the premise that "urbanists are objective in some areas". Most of the favorite urbanist topics—zoning, induced demand, muh strooods, land value, the death of streetcars, are either falsified or wildly misrepresented.

Obviously they're still exaggerating, my point is that they'll try to convince people that there are structural issues with built environment-related things, while completely ignoring that policies are also structurally ingrained and have an impact on cities

 

[sasazuka]

I'm not sure why I can't quote Xarpho's Return's post directly but, just looking at that image, those new housing projects on the easements do not look like they're drawn to the same scale as everything else. It's like a housing development for half-scale people. And BonesJones already mentioned that just the traffic alone from living next to a 24/7 McDonald's drive-through would be annoying but that drawing helpfully shows a garbage enclosure at the back of the McDonald's. Those things stink to the extent that anyone living on the drive-through side of that half-scale building would not want to be opening their windows in summer.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

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I'm not sure why I can't quote Xarpho's Return's post directly but, just looking at that image, those new housing projects on the easements do not look like they're drawn to the same scale as everything else. It's like a housing development for half-scale people. And BonesJones already mentioned that just the traffic alone from living next to a 24/7 McDonald's drive-through would be annoying but that drawing helpfully shows a garbage enclosure at the back of the McDonald's. Those things stink to the extent that anyone living on the drive-through side of that half-scale building would not want to be opening their windows in summer.

Street parking also sucks. No one sane wants to park their car on the street where it's constantly at risk of being swiped by a careless driver or a cyclist. A parking lot that has buffer between the road is much much safer not only for the car, but also for people getting in and out of the cars.

 

[quaawaa]

Speaking of echo chambers, /r/fuckcars user is very mad that he saw people who disagree with him on Twitter:








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More posts from the 50 Cent Army:

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China has phenomenal urbanism:



Americans are racist:

Someone called China an imperialist dictatorship. The response:


China has better air quality than the US because they manufacture solar panels:

A gay person says he won’t live in China because they’re homophobic, only to be told by a Wumao that Taiwan is bad because of foot binding:

Multiple Wumaos got triggered by him (presumably because he mentioned the real Republic of China by name):

More shills:

Chinese person moves to another communist state and is sad that it is falling apart:

Denying the Uighur Genocide:

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[Xarpho's Return]

I'm not sure why I can't quote Xarpho's Return's post directly but, just looking at that image, those new housing projects on the easements do not look like they're drawn to the same scale as everything else. It's like a housing development for half-scale people. And BonesJones already mentioned that just the traffic alone from living next to a 24/7 McDonald's drive-through would be annoying but that drawing helpfully shows a garbage enclosure at the back of the McDonald's. Those things stink to the extent that anyone living on the drive-through side of that half-scale building would not want to be opening their windows in summer.

You're not wrong. A McDonald's of that vintage and size (which I found here, it's similar enough) would be about 2,000 square feet and the easement is about the length of a parking space, so we're looking at a depth of about 40 feet in theory, realistically it would probably be closer to 36 feet. The new building is about 1.5x the size of the McDonald's, so we're talking maybe 97.5 feet...so we're going to round off the numbers and call it a 3,500 feet building. There's a cut between the buildings so instead of 3,500 we're now looking at two 1600 square foot buildings or so...and then they want to fit three tiny commercial tenants into each one? That's around 500 square feet for each place, which if this food shop in India shows is a tiny, cramped place (which would be even harder to do in a country with modern fire codes). If each window above represents an apartment, then those apartments are 250 square feet each, which is close to the size of a motel room with a single bed.

But maybe that is the idea.

 

[Apple Porcupine]

Commiefornia isn't going far enough for the urbanists.

Source, Archive

 

[Markass the Worst]

I'm not sure why I can't quote Xarpho's Return's post directly

Because it's too long. Instead, highlight text to quote.