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[WelperHelper99]

Doesn't the idol industry want shit like paying 100 dollars for signed notes and shit, not watching people play video games online?

You think Vtubers keep all their superclass and corporate doesn't take the lions share? Nothing changed.

She doesn't. The Kiki collab was nearly three years ago and at absolute most they are VTuber acquaintances, not real friends.

It happened though.

She doesn't.

Quite frankly I can at least partially agree with you on this because the Pizza Tower clip of her talking about that shit from the thread OP was actually accidentally initiated by me, specifically, asking her to not continue being autistic on that topic nobody wants to hear or think about, which she then read in chat, and then did so entirely to be a retarded contrarian.

I wrote an effortpost on the first page of the thread, she very often tangents about a shitton of completely random topics - some being serious - that cross her head or chat one-guys her into debating, and then ends up coming across as a retard because she is very bad at articulating thoughts on-the-spot or just has generally not done any due-dilligence and is unprepared in that regard, especially considering how the topic was initiated in a purposely inflammatory edgy and retarded way. I already brought up the Poptart Gun incident, in which her covering a story of a kid getting suspended from a school for molding a pastry into the shape of a gun turned into a heated retard debate of school shootings & guns between her & chat. This sort of thing is a pattern every time Pippa gets into an argument with chat.

Pipkun is a spergtacular retard and I'm not avowing his latest spergery but for the record I'm actually in the same boat as him, I am not a weeb and don't watch anime (except maybe a few episodes of the Pokemon one once, Idunno) and Pippa is pretty much the only VTuber I regularly watch. I'm also not a lolicon and frankly I find the people in her audience who are really into that shit pretty fucking weird and I track them - there's a reason the two lolcow threads I've made on this forum have been Pippa fans or adjacents.

I'm keeping these two together. She doesn't actively stay away from the lolicon taint. It's her avatar ffs. Even if she is clean, the appearance of impropriety is often worse than impropriety itself.

You don't see what I do. Lolicons are nothing but a millstone. Pretending they don't exist is the same as endorsing them IN THEIR EYES. That's why they are freaks and fuck up every community they join. They will drag Pippa down, like they do with everything they touch.

She needs to clean up her act and root them out. Age up her avatar for one. That solves half the issue right there. The second half is learning when to not sperg on a OPEN MIC. Like holy holy fuck, you have a third of a million subs. You get clipped instantly, don't talk about ethical child porn!

 

[dustnight]

What is her job again? Play video games and be a funny personality? I do not believe talking on the "social policy" of pedophiles fits the job description of a entertainer generally aimed at the 16-25 yo age demographic. And how does that answer why her avatar is a loli? Is that social policy too? That's a stretch. Please though, try answering.

Her job is to make money from going live on youtube/twitch, like most streamers.

 

[thhrang]

It happened though.

Yeah:

Note the dates of all these being approaching three years ago (and these streams have been down for almost the same amount of time). If the timelines match up with the information we've found and received, Kiki would be 16 during the streams, as she has been chronically lying about her age for years, and continues to this day, with her Bunke lore being even more unknown at the time; the toddlercon rating stream had not happened yet (three years away), Kiki was still very new on the scene receiving barely any attention, and small VTubers (which Pippa was at the time) love to network with each other; it makes sense Pippa would assume good-faith on someone when the warning signs were less obvious, egregious, & the VTuber scene being as incestuous as it is.

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The second half is learning when to not sperg on a OPEN MIC. Like holy holy fuck, you have a third of a million subs. You get clipped instantly, don't talk about ethical child porn!

I'm inclined to agree with this, yeah.

 

[The Lawgiver]

anime and manga is trite, the japs have no imagination. outside the calart cartoons and capeshit comics, america's comic industry is a billion times more creative than the east. america is a deep ocean while japan is a shallow pond

Ok then explain Mario.

You think Vtubers keep all their superclass and corporate doesn't take the lions share? Nothing changed.

That's been literally every youtube "network" the last decade. it sucks and I fucking hate it but I'm also not someone who's superchatting people, whether they have an anime avatar or not. That's a "current shitty state of Internet" thing rather than an "Idol" thing.

So, you would be fine staking your professional reputation on a debate about whether or not "non offending" pedophiles are just fine to have around? Maybe you want to live next to one? I'm not the one who opened pandora's box nigger, it was your precious vgooner who wanted those clicks and advertising dollars that brought this debate up. Now you have to shuck and jive and dance around the fact that this debate shouldn't even be happening. Unfortunately for you, these are your peers when you enjoy vgooners:


^ 28 replies! LOL!

You made your bed. Now you have to lie in it.
Don't call it a grave.

Who the fuck are these people? Why the fuck do you keep trying to frame me as a pedo supporter and act like I'm trying to "debate" calling me vgooner and shit ? You're unironically acting like some kind of broken chatbot at this point or an actual mental case. Get ye gone!

 

[WelperHelper99]

Yeah:

Ok. I just know when I work with someone, I generally know their age. Even if she was hiding it, the due diligence was on Pippa and Phase to make sure she wasn't some kid playing adult. They are making money together, a ID check is more than fair.

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I'm inclined to agree with this, yeah.

That's been literally every youtube "network" the last decade. it sucks and I fucking hate it but I'm also not someone who's superchatting people, whether they have an anime avatar or not. That's a "current shitty state of Internet" thing rather than an "Idol" thing.

Youtube takes 90%? You underestimate these contracts.

 

[Green Kitbash]

Youtube takes 90%? You underestimate these contracts.

Youtube takes 30 percent. Then the remaining 70 percent is split 50/50 between the talents and the corpo

EDIT: Streamelements takes a much lower percentage. They also stream on Twitch too which is fucky and they take more.

 

[Maurice Maine]

I would post this on the anime thread but hey since we have a pseudo-anime thread here check it out:

TLDR video says Anime is Japanese propaganda to rehabilitate the country in the world from the horrors of 1930s/40s Japan.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Youtube takes 30 percent. Then the remaining 70 percent is split 50/50

50/50. A Idol corpo giving out such a luxurious contract? Need I remind you Nijisanji. That is fantasy.

 

[Sanshain]

So, you would be fine staking your professional reputation on a debate about whether or not "non offending" pedophiles are just fine to have around? Maybe you want to live next to one? I'm not the one who opened pandora's box nigger, it was your precious vgooner who wanted those clicks and advertising dollars that brought this debate up. Now you have to shuck and jive and dance around the fact that this debate shouldn't even be happening. Unfortunately for you, these are your peers when you enjoy vgooners:

What exactly is the difference between you screenshotting random comments on a youtube video to declare all vtuber fans pedophiles, and me screenshotting you and a few other people saying the n-word and using to to call Kiwifarms an alt-right white supremacist terrorist site? I'm just curious.

 

[Green Kitbash]

50/50. A Idol corpo giving out such a luxurious contract? Need I remind you Nijisanji. That is fantasy.

They aren't Nijisanji, this has been leaked before. Keep in mind the Jews at Idol give a 60/40 contract. These aint Japanese companies with large staff, they are small operations. They get their money. Don't assume things without evidence.

EDIT: Also on Nijisanji, are you thinking of their merch? Superchats I believe are also around 50/50

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

You think Vtubers keep all their superclass and corporate doesn't take the lions share? Nothing changed.

Iirc the biggest corpos Hololive and Nijisanji had a 50/50 take on superchats (in particular Nijisanji has a leaked contract thats supposedly true that confirms this ratio) Phase Connect where Pippa is from has the same ratio (all of them after YT's cut iirc) however Hololive in particular gives a pretty decent cut when it comes to Talent specific merch, especially for events like Birthdays or 3D performances, i dont think the exact cut was ever revealed but iirc the numbers were on the 60% to 70% range, no idea for Phase on merch

Nijisanji, the other big Nip corpo was infamous for only giving a 2% cut of merch profits, it was a meme for a while
I think Voicepacks for both Nijsanji and Hololive both gave out a pretty large share, Nijisanji talents affirmed that Voicepacks were the best way to support them monetarily while Holo talent have said that about their specific merch

 

[Wodanaz]

Who the fuck are these people?

the comments on the debate where your vgooner talks to another vgooner about sex with children. nevermind the fact that the debate is solved by a single 5.56 to the head, but I guess when you're a vgooner, this is the kind of shit you have to do for clicks........................... maybe.......... because your audience is comprised of complete freaks who masturbate to drawings of little girls getting fucked

inb4 "le context!!!!!"
Yes, Yes. Now face the wall, please.

 

[BIG_BRAD]

e: have a laugh m8
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lol there's no way you actually find this gay shit funny

 

[WelperHelper99]

Iirc the biggest corpos Hololive and Nijisanji had a 50/50 take on superchats (in particular Nijisanji has a leaked contract thats supposedly true that confirms this ratio) Phase Connect where Pippa is from has the same ratio (all of them after YT's cut iirc) however Hololive in particular gives a pretty decent cut when it comes to Talent specific merch, especially for events like Birthdays or 3D performances, i dont think the exact cut was ever revealed but iirc the numbers were on the 60% to 70% range, no idea for Phase on merch

Nijisanji, the other big Nip corpo was infamous for only giving a 2% cut of merch profits, it was a meme for a while

Ok niji has a leaked contract. That could have been changed from the time it was leaked. The other companies you are taking on their word. Uh huh.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Youtube takes 90%? You underestimate these contracts.

never sad youtube takes 90% what the fuck?

I would post this on the anime thread but hey since we have a pseudo-anime thread here check it out:

TLDR video says Anime is Japanese propaganda to rehabilitate the country in the world from the horrors of 1930s/40s Japan.

Video itself is twitter/redditor propaganda and comments are apparently moderated so anything that isn't like "WOAAAH SEE NOW JAPAN SO BAD AAAOUGH!" gets eventually removed. it keeps showing up in my recommended and genuinely hate it. You try pulling shit like this with any country like Mexico claiming all their media is state propaganda see what happens.

 

[Higgs Bonbon]

There was also this guy tbh:
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There's a fuckton of these actually.

edit: SLOW ASS NIGGA, I'M LATE

 

[Sanshain]

the comments on the debate where your vgooner talks to another vgooner about sex with children. nevermind the fact that the debate is solved by a single 5.56 to the head, but I guess when you're a vgooner, this is the kind of shit you have to do for clicks........................... maybe.......... because your audience is comprised of complete freaks who masturbate to drawings of little girls getting fucked

inb4 "le context!!!!!"
Yes, Yes. Now face the wall, please.

Again, how is this argument any different from the ones people make about the very site you're currently posting on?

 

[Green Kitbash]

Ok niji has a leaked contract. That could have been changed from the time it was leaked. The other companies you are taking on their word. Uh huh.

Good evidence you have there. We have had talent side leaks on Phase and Idol. Its clear you have no idea what you are talking about, at least argue something you actually know.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Good evidence you have there. We have had talent side leaks on Phase and Idol. Its clear you have no idea what you are talking about, at least argue something you actually know.

Ok. Provide the proof of the clear publicity stunts.

 

[Sanshain]

Ok. Provide the proof of the clear publicity stunts.

You do realize that there are ex-vtubers from most of these companies who have backed this up, correct? You are of course free to explain why they would lie, though.