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[The Lawgiver]

the comments on the debate where your vgooner talks to another vgooner about sex with children. nevermind the fact that the debate is solved by a single 5.56 to the head, but I guess when you're a vgooner, this is the kind of shit you have to do for clicks........................... maybe.......... because your audience is comprised of complete freaks who masturbate to drawings of little girls getting fucked

inb4 "le context!!!!!"
Yes, Yes. Now face the wall, please.

You keep shifting the poles around and treat it like I'm a pedo or support pedos. "Le context"? Yes, you keep taking my words completely out of context or ignoring them and sending more of this shit, what's the point of this struggle sesssion? getting one or 2 updoots from people that aren't even actually reading the posts? At this point you've just started linking comments from some youtube video and then the actual youtube video framing it still like it's some kind of "own" against me, a guy you claim is a a pedophile supporter "vgooner" (which I have made explicitly clear i am not). Forget the wall, forget the barrel, take your meds.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Ok niji has a leaked contract. That could have been changed from the time it was leaked. The other companies you are taking on their word. Uh huh.

For the most part not really the companies themselves, alot of info has leaked out by ex or current employees of agencies, iirc the 50% cut for Hololive was indirectly leaked by Kson, the performer behind graduated (retired) member Kiryu Coco, for Phase, Tenma Maemi drunkenly and bluntly said that their boss took 50%, i know the Israeli Company IdolCorp was supposedly "transparent" in that they use their transparency as a cudgel to get free brownie points but iirc that was also in the 50/50 range, maybe even lower. (EDIT: The jews apparently have a 65/25 cut on talent/company with some 10% going to production costs for editors or music producers)

Besides Nijsanji's infamous 2% cut, most of the bigger performers and companies do seem to have a stable living wage, and most buy oodles of genuine luxuries or shit for their family, iirc most of the Indonesian talents from Hololive live like kings on what their job gives them.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Again, how is this argument any different from the ones people make about the very site you're currently posting on?

The farms doesn't host pictures of children getting fucked

You do realize that there are ex-vtubers from most of these companies who have backed this up, correct? You are of course free to explain why they would lie, though.

Provide proof. As for why I might disregard it? Easy publicity by the company. Get your actors to say everything is good while you shaft them. Oldest trick in the book. Then you "leak" documents to "prove" it.

For the most part not really the companies themselves, alot of info has leaked out by ex or current employees of agencies, iirc the 50% cut for Hololive was indirectly leaked by Kson, the performer behind graduated (retired) member Kiryu Coco, for Phase, Tenma Maemi drunkenly and bluntly said that their boss took 50%, i know the Israeli Company IdolCorp was supposedly "transparent" in that they use their transparency as a cudgel to get free brownie points but iirc that was also in the 50/50 range, maybe even lower.

Even if I believe this, 50/50 after a 30% cut for YT is... raw. They're only getting 35% of the total money. And the company is ONLY getting 35%. The numbers don't add up.

Besides Nijsanji's infamous 2% cut, most of the bigger perforamers and companies do seem to have a stable living wage, and most buy oodles of genuine luxuries or shit for their family, iirc most of the indonesian talents from Hololive live like kings on what their job gives them.

In Indonesia you can live on pennies and live like a king. I'll agree that they seem stable, because it's a job. Just like clocking in at the office.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Ok then explain Mario.

whats that in 2024?

50/50. A Idol corpo giving out such a luxurious contract? Need I remind you Nijisanji. That is fantasy.

childish.

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Even if I believe this, 50/50 after a 30% cut for YT is... raw. They're only getting 35% of the total money. And the company is ONLY getting 35%. The numbers don't add up.

Keep in mind most of the bigger profits come from merch sales and promos they run with the talents, for hololive we do have some proof after some discord shenanagins that each talent can choose to participate and get rewarded appropiately for certian sponsorships (iirc, the leaked server was for an among us promo) and the rest comes from an apparently fairly sizeable volume of merch, which is where the real money comes from, vtuber fans are loaded and will put up with retarded shipping or retarded costs in general to get merch of their favorite

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Keep in mind most of the bigger profits come from merch sales and promos they run with the talents, for hololive we do have some proof after some discord shenanagins that each talent can choose to participate and get rewarded appropiately for certian sponsorships (iirc, the leaked server was for an among us promo) and the rest comes from an apparently fairly sizeable volume of merch, which is where the real money comes from, vtuber fans are loaded and will put up with retarded shipping or retarded costs in general to get merch of their favorite

direct donations are better than merch cuts. merch is iffy in that preorders may be delayed by years. direct simping is the easist and most noticeable way to help your streamer.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

direct donations are better than merch cuts. merch is iffy in that preorders may be delayed by years. direct simping is the easist and most noticeable way to help your streamer.

Not for Hololive, as far as i know, they've fixed their shipping issues and get their merch out somewhat timely even when it comes straight from Japan

 

[Wodanaz]

You keep shifting the poles around and treat it like I'm a pedo or support pedos.

My apologies, allow me to spell it out clearly for you since your wits seem addled by anime.
Debate this topic and people will assume you are a pedophile. Also, anime is intrinsically linked to this topic. That is all.

Again, how is this argument any different from the ones people make about the very site you're currently posting on?

It's true. If you use this site, people will assume you are a mean bully who is a nazi, or a tranny, or something. But the difference is, I don't care. Seems like vgooner fans really do, however.

 

[Green Kitbash]

It's true. If you use this site, people will assume you are a mean bully who is a nazi, or a tranny, or something. But the difference is, I don't care. Seems like vgooner fans really do, however.

Thats pretty cool

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Not for Hololive, as far as i know, they've fixed their shipping issues and get their merch out somewhat timely even when it comes straight from Japan

as a phase only guy, ive got multiple orders outstanding by months. pippa's other vtuber merch shipped quicjly so idkwtf is phase's problem.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Keep in mind most of the bigger profits come from merch sales and promos they run with the talents, for hololive we do have some proof after some discord shenanagins that each talent can choose to participate and get rewarded appropiately for certian sponsorships (iirc, the leaked server was for an among us promo) and the rest comes from an apparently fairly sizeable volume of merch, which is where the real money comes from, vtuber fans are loaded and will put up with retarded shipping or retarded costs in general to get merch of their favorite

So you are saying they run on the movie theater model. What happens when people stop buying popcorn because rent is due? I know you say they're loaded, but let's be real, one plush isn't going to break the bank of even a poorfag. What I'm getting at is someone is getting shafted contract wise, and it isn't the corpos.

 

[3deadniggers]

If Vtubers aren't loli aligned then why do they all try to sound like children from bad anime dubs?

 

[dustnight]

What exactly is the difference between you screenshotting random comments on a youtube video to declare all vtuber fans pedophiles, and me screenshotting you and a few other people saying the n-word and using to to call Kiwifarms an alt-right white supremacist terrorist site? I'm just curious.

>I'm a pedophile for coomposting to children? well maybe you're a racist for saying nigger!
I don't think this is le epic own you think it is...

 

[FightenGnome]

ven doe Misa Amane literally dresses up in gothic lolita fashion because japs like to pretend adult women are younger teenagers (because they want to have sex with children)

This is a stretch. This barely qualifies as lolita fashion (and resembles a more goth style). Misa is clearly an adult and when people talk about pedophilia in relation to lolicon, they're more so referencing the childlike appearance than the fashion which this barely qualifies as.

even doe Bulma is 16 at the start of Dragon Ball and she literally flashes her child pussy at Master Roshi (who would like to have sex with her because she is a child)

Master Roshi wants to have sex with any woman, Bulma also doesn't resemble a child.

....................


I wish, that I could turn back time.
Cause now the guilt is all mine!

and the fans are jacking off to them. The infamous scene pictured above was a deconstruction of that, and a criticism of the degenerate fans.

This scene doesn't exist as something to be titillating, as you admit. As for the fans, that's beyond his creation. Is any content that fans jack off over the fault of the creator when they're not making an intentionally sexy scene?

Never finished this one but I wouldn't be shocked to hear there was a joke somewhere about hooking up with 16 year olds because it's a show about gambling.

No, it's about overcoming impossible challenges to make ends meet. I don't even think there's a single female character prominently featured let alone mentioned. This is just your bias showing.

You cannot separate Japan's weird relationship with children from anime

Your criticisms here are about adolescents which I consider to be different from children which is what pedophiles and lolicons are really thirsting over. The portrayal of teenagers in media, West or East, is different.

You also should have mentioned Grave of the Fireflies, a movie about the firebombing of Japan, in which a little girl pisses for no reason

Why would I mention that? First, I've never even seen it. Second it would go against some of the ones I mentioned that have nothing to do with lolis or lolicon (as opposed to say Re:Zero who has a character that is one, though not sexualized but still a straight up lol).

Unless you're willing to make a hard statement that there should be no sexualized, sexual references or allusions of sex in romance for teenagers in any media, I don't think you should try to conflate any of that with lolicon.

 

[Green Kitbash]

So you are saying they run on the movie theater model. What happens when people stop buying popcorn because rent is due? I know you say they're loaded, but let's be real, one plush isn't going to break the bank of even a poorfag. What I'm getting at is someone is getting shafted contract wise, and it isn't the corpos.

This is why they expand. Hire and replace. Its simple

And yes, the cards often come tumbling down down down

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

So you are saying they run on the movie theater model. What happens when people stop buying popcorn because rent is due? I know you say they're loaded, but let's be real, one plush isn't going to break the bank of even a poorfag. What I'm getting at is someone is getting shafted contract wise, and it isn't the corpos.

It depends, as far as i know, Hololive pays for anything regarding their model, milestone costumes (mostly the group ones) and stream graphics/emotes, promo videos for the most part too, for Nijsanji it was confirmed by terminated talent Zaion that they pay for everything besides their model which is rigged in house by Nijisanji contracted individuals unlike Hololive where they contract the riggers. On the model cost alone most agency vtubers save a fair amount of money, Hololive members save on almost everything else while Nijsanji talent have that extra cost.

Obviously, a corpo is going to end up benifitting the most out of any contract or else it wouldnt be that profitable when it comes to most companies, but some like Hololive seemingly do put emphasis in taking some cuts to their bottom line to keep their performers happy for the long term, there are investor Q&As that details how much Hololive tries to invest in talent and how much costs they refuse to cut.

Is it all true for Hololive? who knows, as far as we know some ex-talent did seemingly have complaints about the system, but she was under some wierd circumstances where she accidentaly pissed off the chinks and indirectly made Hololive leave china to the point of telling its chinese division to fuck off, but some of the others currently there still seem happy with it, maybe that will change, maybe not, we just have to wait a couple years for all the spicy tell-alls, its still a young as hell industry (young enough for Kiki to like ayy lmao)

 

[WelperHelper99]

This is why they expand. Hire and replace. Its simple

And yes, the cards often come tumbling down down down

I've seen that model in practice. The old hire and fire. Typically its utilized for low wage workers before any contractual obligations kick in, usually in hard labor. If they bitch, you fire them. Cause you trouble, you fire. They're about to start collecting benifits, they're out. This is the buisness they run that you people support?

 

[Sanshain]

Debate this topic and people will assume you are a pedophile. Also, anime is intrinsically linked to this topic. That is all.

hold on hold on i have a meme for this

If Vtubers aren't loli aligned then why do they all try to sound like children from bad anime dubs?

Ah yes, I listen to Calliope Mori and I just can't get the image of her trying so hard to sound 4 years old out of my head.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It depends, as far as i know, Hololive pays for anything regarding their model, milestone costumes (mostly the group ones) and stream graphics/emotes, promo videos for the most part too, for Nijsanji it was confirmed by terminated talent Zaion that they pay for everything besides their model which is rigged in house by Nijisanji contracted individuals unlike Hololive where they contract the riggers. On the model cost alone most agency vtubers save a fair amount of money, Hololive members save on almost everything else while Nijsanji talent have that extra cost.

It's a cgi model. Even if they're contracted our by a corpo, there's going to be a bulk deal on what is in effect a blender rig that they probably have a template of to help them mass produce these things.

Obviously, a corpo is going to end up benifitting the most out of any contract or else it wouldnt be that profitable when it comes to most companies, but some like Hololive seemingly do put emphasis in taking some cuts to their bottom line to keep their performers happy for the long term, there are investor Q&As that details how much Hololive tries to invest in talent and how much costs they refuse to cut.

You bring up a interesting point. Companies will often spend big and in the red early on to grow. Once established things tighten up. Maybe the contract is nice now. What about in a few years when loans are due?

 

[Green Kitbash]

I've seen that model in practice. The old hire and fire. Typically its utilized for low wage workers before any contractual obligations kick in, usually in hard labor. If they bitch, you fire them. Cause you trouble, you fire. They're about to start collecting benifits, they're out. This is the buisness they run that you people support?

The companies you keep bringing up do not matter in the slightest in this conversation. These are Streamer corpos not Idol corpos.

The biggest one Cover is a tech company firstmost and use their talents as an extention of their tech. Their biggest talent Gawr Gura barely even streams, she just exists as a merch outlet. Their OG talents aren't even the most popular and yet they truck along.

This Pippa convo? This Phase convo? It is a side gig for a techbro. Phase could fail wholesale and it would be more of an incovenience than anything. They too have talents that barely stream and thus barely make money, look up Remelia Nephys or Erina Makina. They haven't been replaced even though from a business perspective they bring nothing to the table.