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Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military
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Using the Tony Soprano with Gangsta music really sends a professional message.
Probably typed it while drunk, but the logic is terrible.Staying in the fatal funnel is dangerous>You should run through the fatal funnel into the unknown inside>You guys don't know shit because you don't have the experience, I know better, and you are all a bunch of losers who never were in Delta so you can't say shit
About the test, yeah, there was legitimate criticism about it. I think the problem boils down to that in the military, your fitness scores are hugely important to be competitive, so people always try to maximize it.
And it's very hard to create a fitness test that 1) Is fair for all body types 2) is comprehensive for all "functional" strength needs, and 3) is also minimalistic on equipment so that units that don't have easy access to a gym can train for it, so that they are not disadvantaged in their career. Finding a compromise is the main issue.
By the way, just as a personal observation, the medball throw is not a meme. It's a test of spine, glute and leg health. If you have a bulging disc, or any other spine or hip problem, you'll fail terribly in the medball throw. I do agree with the deadlift. It's a bit technical, but it's not the hardest thing to learn. With thousands of tutorial videos online if you are doing it wrong, I think it's the Army's fault for not teaching (Handling a weapon is also a technical skill but no one is complaining.)
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The biggest issue with the acft is the equipment needed, followed by the time to test a company. With the apft, all you needed was already baked into the unit. NCOs to grade, and conduct, one to shout out times at the 1 mile turn around point and a few stopwatches. All the acft is, was some retiring general's additional pension.
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I agree, time and equipment are the biggest issues, but ACFT is really, really comprehensive, which is good. Push-ups, Sit-ups and 2 miles are okay, but barely tell you enough about the soldier's fitness. Why was the deadlift added to the ACFT (and an easier version, with the trap bar)? Well, there's some maximal strength that's needed in very real situations.
Let's say your battle buddy is injured and unconscious, he's 250 pounds considering all the gear he's carrying. You are also burdened with your battle kit, and he's down like a sack of potatoes. If you don't have the maximal strength to actually pick him up and carry him a few yards to cover, without getting a bulged disk, then are you fit enough? Other example, let's say your vehicle wheel is stuck in a pothole, and only another dude is there. You need to have the sort of maximal strength a deadlift gives and measures to pull it out.
Hand release push-ups are an improvement to prevent cheating and help avoid rotator cuff injuries. The medball and the carry are great tests of everyday strength, agility and capacity. Leg tuck imo was the only thing that was a bit, meh. Too much of a strain on the hip flexors, that are needed for the run. (The plank was an improvement for core strength)
It's a really good test, I'm sure the equipment issues can be sorted out. If the Navy can logistically handle having 17 Super carriers and the Air Force their fighter wings, I'm sure the Army can supply some bars, weights and kettles to the troops.
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Jon Jones is unironically a great representation of Army values
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The Army knows their target audience. Violent, substance consuming, adrenaline seeking, with an invincibility complex that's catastrophic when shattered.
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do you not think this shit was happening throughout the history of warfare. lol
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A modern, well-supplied, well paid, and organized Army shouldn't have behaved that way. It's not middle antiquity or Japanese fascism, with crimes like the rape of Nanjing that appalled Nazis. "Muh both/all sides" is an excuse/cope because following that logic a mass ethnic cleansing, sanctioned by the higher command and carried by the rank and file can be equalized to an unstable soldier getting drunk and killing a civilian in proportion, to discredit the conduct of whole organizations. There are degrees of severity of misconduct and crimes.
Edit: For some reason, the death of Horrigan and McNulty in 2005 is still freshly remembered. I think Bob was very well known in the Unit, and McNulty was very well liked. A lot of operators died since, but apparently this is still a painful loss for C-Squad.
They died rushing a house that was not full of sleeping people, but a dude who kept guard with an AK, and they got shot up. (Another L for Pranka's CQB) But this image is hiding someone we all know well.
BAM, it's Jesse Boettcher! Spooky shit. Really, when "Dahmer" is next to you in the company photo and Horrigan was known for handmade knife making, I don't know, it just gets the noggin' joggin'.
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If an Army is well-led, well-supplied and well-paid, they will not be brutal, and it has been historically been so. Look at Belisarius conquest of North Africa in the 6th century AD, for an example of a proper heart and minds campaign that didn't devolve into butchery.
Armies that have to forage, loot and are underpaid are more prone to doing crime historically. That's why I said that with the resources SOCOM had for GWOT, there's no excuse for the behavior they had unless they were badly led and monitored, and were given tacit approval from command.
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Pranka's catty fanbase of former cops knows better.
They have a weird fixation on making fun of people who practice specific footwork for tactics. Which always seemed strange because every professional in every other sport practices specific techniques to maximize efficiency. You wouldn't tell a wide receiver that running ladder drills is dumb because "you already know how to walk". I feel like they never thought about tactics deeply, so when they encounter someone who has, they just shout "NERD!" like the insecure retards in high school.
The other thing that sticks out about these people is how effeminate they all are despite claiming to be alpha males. Their linguistic fingerprint is very feminine. I've yet to see them address an argument without straw-manning or resorting to sarcasm.
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Literal blowhard behavior, characteristic of mediocrity. Maybe if they did some footwork, they'd be more than B-class level shooters, despite having had almost unlimited ammo and range time and access civilian hobbyists could only dream of.
I think they resort to sarcasm or straw-manning because they know they have logically no leg to stand on, so because they think like rebellious teenagers, they are like "Lmao, look dad, you old fart I'm going to do whatever I want. "Footwork" you say, to improve? More like "gaywork" am I right?! I'm not a SEAL gay
"Pranka and their lot are man children with weapons and alcohol. Very sad state of affairs.
By the way, Delta Farce, 1688.photo in Insta was a great rec. Thanks! If you like planes, it's worth a follow!
I will be traveling for some weeks and may not have access to the internet to post on the farms. Climbing trip. So, everyone, enjoy the thread, and please keep it civil, fun and informative! Let's have fun and stay safe!
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I think the point is that GBs were only a small fraction of units doing COIN in Afghanistan. You can't adapt or innovate your way around that sheer lack of presence even if your training program is super great.
Proactive strengthening of the back would also help with back injuries from heavy rucking and other back-intensive activities.
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i don't get how literal mentally unstable super-soldiers get fucking e-fame and stupid fanbases anyway. Doesn't the narcissism kinda go against basic-ass military values?
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I swear. We need to change the stereotype of sailors being gay. Navy seals out gaying the rest of the navy.
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I remember my first few USPSA matches getting fucking smoked by guys that looked like that.
Yep. Turns out punching a shit ton of holes in paper, even through different stations with barricades or running the same shoot house a bunch doesn't actually mean much at a match. That's why guys that look like Taran Butler or even teenage girls were shooting circles around them (me too when I first started).
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Just an environment that getting drunk, partying was seen as the thing to do. Was something that was just thoroughly ingrained in the service. I worked with 3 people who got DUIs or had serious alcohol issues. First guy was at MOS school, got a DUI mid way through it which royally fucked his career plans as he had reenlisted and was an E5. Other two guys I deployed with. One got a DUI shortly after we got back from Iraq and the other I believe got a DUI as well but I know for sure he had to go see the base substance abuse counselors due to his drinking problem. And that was just coworkers, there was always a DUI in the unit every month or two.
As someone who doesnt really care to drink at all it was insanely bizarre to see how much it was tied to the culture of the service. I member at my first barracks, the unit on floor beneath the one I was on would constantly have these all night long drinking parties. It was so bad when my unit got back from Iraq we had to go to a 2 day how to properly drink and enjoy alcohol class.
And the military wonders why personal lives of its members are such a shitshow.