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[Kirtto]

I'm calling bullshit on this. You're telling me that Twitch had proof, in plain text, the DrDisrespect was grooming a minor and lawyers for Twitch didn't think to say, "We'll take this to court and out you as a pedophile if you continue to ask us to pay out the rest of the contract." Bull. Shit.

I imagine we will get a full legal or personal response from Dr Disrespect in a few days which will shed more light on the situation

 

[MunsterCheeseJr]

Think for a minute as to WHO at twitch would really know what was contained in those whisper messages.

* The Lawyers
* An executive or two who made the decision on banning Dr. Disrespect, and/or made the call on the lawsuit settlement.
* The Tech who pulled the data for the lawyers and executive
* Maybe a talent manager

Everyone else who "knew" about it was just hearing 3rd hand rumors. Maybe somebody saw something, or got a report from "the girl." The report is hot and saucy and worthy of a ban. But when you sit down and get a solid look at the whisper direct messages, the evidence isn't as solid as first thought.

This is why this wasn't reported to the police. And why Twitch didn't destroy their competition who was going elsewhere pulling away customers. If it was solid, they could have had him for lunch. Something is wrong with the "evidence." Something that destroys the initial framing of this situation of a private meeting with an underage girl.

 

[Kirtto]

idk man it sounds like cody (the person accusing doc of being a pedometer) is just repeating (as fact) a rumor or story that he heard.

If this turns out to be a false rumor I hope to God that he sues all the twitch losers that spread it. It would be just great and funny.

Also imo there is no way twitch would settle the lawsuit if they had concrete proof of him grooming a minor. Something sketchy is going on here

 

[warhammerautist]

Can he even file a defamation lawsuit on Twitch? When Twitch would be all like that was an ex-Twitch staff member, he is no longer a part of us and we cant get sued teehee.

 

[Kirtto]

Can he even file a defamation lawsuit on Twitch? When Twitch would be all like that was an ex-Twitch staff member, he is no longer a part of us and we cant get sued teehee.

I am talking about sueing the ex-twitch employers who posted this on Twitter after the fact. They definitely opened themselves up for a defamation lawsuit

 

[RJ MacReady]

Dr. Disrespect put out another statement.


https://x.com/DrDisrespect/status/1804577136998776878 (archive)

 

[Otis Boi]

Dr. Disrespect put out another statement.

I think he should just stop also why does he write like an ESL? Probed and settled is not a normal phrase but then again it could just be filtered from a AI.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I think he should just stop also why does he write like an ESL? Probed and settled is not a normal phrase but then again it could just be filtered from a AI.

It's as sanitized and lawyer approved as possible I'm sure

 

[batigol]

Most people are suspecting it's because any supposed NDA the journalists and employees (current and former) has now expired, since the typical range of an NDA is 1-5 years.

This isn't true. The expiry date of an NDA is determined based on the time sensitivity of the information it is covering. Of the 100 odd NDAs I've signed during my life 10 years was most common and a few had no expiry dates because the sensitivity of the information wasn't going to diminish over time.

 

[MidZeRo]

No, I agree with you. I meant this ex-twitch employees accusation sounds like a conspiracy because for this to be true it'd require multiple people (including ones outside of twitch) to remain silent... for some reason? Dr disrespect isn't Weinstein, hes not an executive with power over these peoples employment

My bad, I read sarcasm in there.

@MidZeRo made a good reply but I will also add that you can technically sue anyone for anything at any time, it's just that you aren't guaranteed to win. And even if you don't win it can still be exorbitant for the person you're suing to dismiss the case.

Of course, that doesn't morally justify Twitch otherwise not acting on this information and failing to forward it to law enforcement to properly investigate him.

Agreed. Do these companies actually report stuff like this though?
In this case I'd wonder how they verified they were a minor. Would ambiguity be enough on their part to just boot him and then just be quiet, just in case?

 

[FedPostalService]

This isn't true. The expiry date of an NDA is determined based on the time sensitivity of the information it is covering. Of the 100 odd NDAs I've signed during my life 10 years was most common and a few had no expiry dates because the sensitivity of the information wasn't going to diminish over time.

I need to dig out some paperwork as I’m sure the last one I signed had no time limit. Am I a Britbong though.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

You can't NDA a crime and if this is true twitch would be complicit, no?

 

[Looseleaf Paper]

I just hope this finally catalyzes the situation so we finally can learn without a shadow of the doubt the reason he was banned, even if the Twtich guy is lying out of his ass and the reason is actually very boring. The DD drama has been going on for far too long.

 

[Markass the Worst]

You can't NDA a crime and if this is true twitch would be complicit, no?

Twitch and its employees are not mandatory reporters so legally they would not get criminal charges just for being silent. That's based on the law of California (where Twitch is based) not requiring all citizens to be mandatory reporters, only those who are teachers, pediatricians etc.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

I feel like Twitch would have taken Doc to the cleaners if they had genuine, clear proof of him knowingly sexting/grooming an underage fan. At the same time, there was clearly something that precipitated his ban, yet Twitch has never clarified what that was. Whatever they have must be tenuous, which means an exec panicked and got ban-happy, or they were looking to get rid of him for political reasons and jumped on the first opportunity to kick him off the platform.

When Doc talks about the ban, you can tell he's angry. Not shifty, or nervous, but angry. This + the fact that Twitch paid out the rest of his contract makes me more sure the ban was over some bullshit.

 

[FedPostalService]

When I was at school a guy was accused of having sex with a cat. We knew it was a lie. We knew who made up this lie. This didn’t stop the story following this guy around for YEARS after people who heard it secondhand passed it onto new people.

I think of this when I hear stories about ANYONE without any prima facia evidence.

The moral of this story is me and my friends were fucking pricks.

The guy did end up in prison at one stage but that was for regular violence and no cats were hurt.

 

[Kirtto]

Dr. Disrespect put out another statement.

View attachment 6114140
https://x.com/DrDisrespect/status/1804577136998776878 (archive)

Yes, it is what I was imagining tbh, this stuff was analysed during his lawsuit against Twitch and he was found to have done nothing wrong and as such Twitch had to settle and pay him, meaning it was probably bullshit in the first place. I hope that as soon as the legal obligations expire he can post more about it also that he sues the ex-twitch guy for defamation up the ass.

 

[Neil]

Ex-Twitch employee Cody "Evoli" Conners has alleged that Dr. DisRespect was banned from Twitch for sexting a minor using Twitch's DM function (which Twitch can read in plaintext) and trying to meet up with her at TwitchCon. Several game journalists have echoed this allegation including Rod "Slasher" Breslau who notoriously claimed to know why at the time but never disclosed it. Other ex-Twitch staff are also reposting this.

If you don't watch Twitch, the reason behind Doc's ban has been the biggest mystery in the entire streaming world since it happened in June 2020 and if this is true it's finally been solved. It is notable that Doc's ban happened in the middle of a huge wave of #MeToo allegations against many streamers and content creators that achieved mainstream press coverage.


https://x.com/evoli/status/1804310239258513785 (archive 1) (archive 2)

Doc posted a reply to commentator Jake Lucky, claiming it's "settled" and "no wrongdoing was acknowledged", referring to Doc's lawsuit against Twitch over the ban which was settled in 2022.

https://x.com/DrDisrespect/status/1804337822415097955 (archive)


https://x.com/slasher/status/1804321712219013293 (archive)

Referring to this tweet (archive):



https://x.com/Vahn16/status/1804316401491952089 (archive) (Doc apparently hates Nathan Grayson FYI.)


https://x.com/JacobWolf/status/1804317028435497086 (archive)

Destiny claims this has been known behind the scenes for years and speculates the people who knew were afraid of being sued.

I'm calling bullshit on this. If this really was the ban reason, Twitch wouldn't have had any reason to pay out the rest of Dr. Disrespect's contract. This stinks of second and third-hand rumor spreading. No evidence given outside of Twitch's insider circlejerk cycling whispers.

And of course, trannies and other progs are celebrating this because NICKMERCS, Dr. Disrespect's friend, made comments stating that gays/trannies/drag queens should "leave the kids out of it", which got his COD skinset taken down. Dr. Disrespect defended him and said that his skins shouldn't be taken down, so of course that means that he's a homophobe by proxy.

If someone manages to dredge up the alleged sexual chatlogs between Disrespect and the alleged teenaged girl, I'll gladly join alongside calling him a pedophile and quoting Kendrick Lamar, as of now, it seems that 90% of the people repeating the claims are doing so due to political grievances against him.

 

[keke]

lolno. Twitch has nothing to lose by outing him and everything to gain. Twitch potentially retains most of his audience that bails when they discover he's a pedophile, there is no raucous about Twitch being able to ban you in order to get out of it's contracts because they had a reason. Twitch would also get the PR victory of saying they'll protect da children even if it does cost money in the short term. They had ALL the leverage and I refuse to believe the corporate lawyers for a multi-billion dollar company are this incompetent.

You don’t get big business and that’s fine. This is optimistic at best and would not have played out this way. Doc would have sued, if the DMs were not explicitly sexual he’d probably do well, that is teams of lawyers Twitch does not want to lay for litigation that can last years. Cut ties so if it comes out Twitch doesn’t look bad for having him on the platform, if an employee reported it that paper trail also can’t come back and fuck them because they dropped him, people wonder for a while, move on. Clean break.

What if the girl is 17? 16? Would any of his audience give a flying fuck? Probably not. People get away with that all the time and retain their platforms. Twitch would have to leak DMs—it’s just messy. No company would want that. No shareholder would want that.

So people were afraid of saying anything because they'd get sued, but now they are talking because? As far as I know Doc isn't dead or broke so what changed and y now? Is there anybody pushing this that if they were to be sued into oblivion wouldn't make the world a better place?

This is an ex-employee. Not Twitch saying this. Twitch has money to be burned in a lawsuit, random nobody does not. That is a HUGE difference.

I'm calling bullshit on this. If this really was the ban reason, Twitch wouldn't have had any reason to pay out the rest of Dr. Disrespect's contract.

The reason is, it makes him go away and they avoid paying lawyers in litigation which often ends up costing more in the long run. This happens all the time.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Can he even file a defamation lawsuit on Twitch? When Twitch would be all like that was an ex-Twitch staff member, he is no longer a part of us and we cant get sued teehee.

Thats a key element yeah, you can sue people with money, but if a literal nobody says you molest hardware store appliances or something nutty, even if you have proof, suing is a losing game.

I said in the other thread but, since they DELETED whispers as a function recently, and I doubt they archived this, this would be shitty to try and prove either way too. its kinda like the clinton email deletes in a way, once its all deleted, both sides "technically" have equal merit since the evidence is destroyed.

So I doubt a lawsuit would happen.