Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[Sunflower Samurai]

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WOTC did put this in an official book a couple of years ago.

maybe retarded devils' advocate take here
its not DnD-like at all and forced to just include mexicans but i cant find anything particularly wrong with the image in a vaccum, the general asthetic is more 1800 to 1900s Mexican peasant but this artwork would be pretty neat in a western setting, 1800s to 1900s Mexico with its oodles of independance wars, revolutions, emperors and invasions would be great inspiration for a setting in that era
Hell, even as late as the mid 1920s you had the leftist govt cracking down on Catholics, said government was funded by donations from the KKK while the Catholics were funded by the fucking Vatican, an absolute shitshow of a conflict

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristero_War

Heres the meme video for people who dont want to read

 

[JJLiautaud]

Oh God not Greyhawk, I knew it was only a matter of time. INB4 they bring Spelljammers over to 5E instead of just porting some things over.

Mein Fuhrer....

https://www.wargamer.com/dnd/spelljammer-adventures-in-space-review

 

[The Ugly One]

Oh God not Greyhawk, I knew it was only a matter of time. INB4 they bring Spelljammers over to 5E instead of just porting some things over.

They already did, and cocked it up so bad that not even the dangerhairs who still play 5e wanted it.

 

[Adamska]

They actually fired the guy who hired in the woketards for being a straight, white male. 5e's monstrous success is owed largely to Mearls' business strategy & vision, but he doesn't suck cocks or steal bikes, so he's out.

Hahaha no Mearls didn't do half the stuff he claimed; his partner did most of the actual work for any of it. He just did what most bullshitters do and claimed he cooked it up himself.

Cross posting from the community thread.

tl;dr the D&Done DMG is going to change the default setting to Greyhawk. WotC is going to 'fix' 6 modules for the sensibilities of modern woke gamers (both of them) because they are creatively bankrupt, and introduce a multiverse overseen by a gay genie.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/tabletop-community-watch.82392/post-18655225

Specifically, it's that they're turning it into a demi-plane so they can just mine what's left that the prior editions didn't already steal.

 

[AnOminous]

Somehow these fucking freaks have run out of stuff to ruin with pedo SJW shit to the point that now it's Greyhawk.

I wish all these fuckers shared a single neck so I could slash it and kill them all with a single machete.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

They already did, and cocked it up so bad that not even the dangerhairs who still play 5e wanted it.

If missing this was the price I pay for pretending everything after 3.5E doesn't exist, then I'm ok with this. They fucked it up so hard it seems, but hopefully that'll also mean they won't touch its corpse again for a while.

Somehow these fucking freaks have run out of stuff to ruin with pedo SJW shit to the point that now it's Greyhawk.

I wish all these fuckers shared a single neck so I could slash it and kill them all with a single machete.

Legitimately sad, waiting for them to hyper-pozz Dark Sun. The Executive Director of DnD (and as someone called him once, the OGL whipping boy

) said it was "problematic" and we all know what happens to things that are "problematic." Death and/or rebirth into faggotry. No slavery, no cannibalism, no grimdark.

 

[The Ugly One]

Hahaha no Mearls didn't do half the stuff he claimed; his partner did most of the actual work for any of it.

There's nothing to substantiate the myth that Mearls just collected a paycheck while Crawford did all the work. The reality is the high-level vision, market research, & brand revival strategy was mostly Mearls. There is a whole lot more that went into reviving 5e than deciding how many damage dice you should get for backstab.

 

[filthypenguin]

How pozzed is Pazio? I'm aware of the lesbian goddess polycule, but unless I'm mistaken that was part of the canon from the beginning. They've got a nonbinary iconic, but he's the iconic for the "I make up bullshit and now it's real" class and iconics dont really matter for anything. There was a tranny and some faggots in wrath of the righteous. There's a wheelchair in one of the supplements, but it has actual rules so I don't think I even consider it pozzed, and I don't think they've shown up in any artwork outside of those supplements. The change to ancestry stats being whatever you want is pozzed I guess, but I felt like it was probably more so that you could make a dwarf cleric with a good font than for any political reasons. Is there anything I missed?

 

[Adamska]

How pozzed is Pazio? I'm aware of the lesbian goddess polycule, but unless I'm mistaken that was part of the canon from the beginning. They've got a nonbinary iconic, but he's the iconic for the "I make up bullshit and now it's real" class and iconics dont really matter for anything. There was a tranny and some faggots in wrath of the righteous. There's a wheelchair in one of the supplements, but it has actual rules so I don't think I even consider it pozzed, and I don't think they've shown up in any artwork outside of those supplements. The change to ancestry stats being whatever you want is pozzed I guess, but I felt like it was probably more so that you could make a dwarf cleric with a good font than for any political reasons. Is there anything I missed?

Oh it's even more woke than Wizards. It's just that unlike DnD, Pathfinder hasn't quite killed itself, since they still factor in and think about world building and lore. DnD was fucked the moment it went full "design by community".

Also another reason that Wizards is finishing with plundering Greyhawk and turning it into a demiplane of Faerun? It's most likely because it's also a setting they completely own.

 

[Ghostse]

How pozzed is Pazio? I'm aware of the lesbian goddess polycule, but unless I'm mistaken that was part of the canon from the beginning. They've got a nonbinary iconic, but he's the iconic for the "I make up bullshit and now it's real" class and iconics dont really matter for anything. There was a tranny and some faggots in wrath of the righteous. There's a wheelchair in one of the supplements, but it has actual rules so I don't think I even consider it pozzed, and I don't think they've shown up in any artwork outside of those supplements. The change to ancestry stats being whatever you want is pozzed I guess, but I felt like it was probably more so that you could make a dwarf cleric with a good font than for any political reasons. Is there anything I missed?

Paizo the company is utterly and completely pozzed. Full feminism, Black Lies Matter, Trannies are real woman, degenerate faggot dick sucking with no gag reflex. If you aren't 100% on board with SJW talking points, Pozzo hates you make no mistake.

Their Output is just as completely and totally pozzed as WotC. They made their bones with a module with a faggot paladin, and make sure cram faggots - and now trannies + niggers - into everything they can.
PF2 rules, in the DM section, instructs the DM from banning slavery from their world and definitely no positive/"necessary" evil stuff. And no slaves for the party. They also tell you that transwomen are real women and you should respect their and their character's genders and pronouns, that niggers should be permitted everywhere, and you should allow people to make disabled characters with no penalties.

The only difference between Pozzo and WoketardCoasties is that Pozzo makes sure the niggers, trannies, and sashaying-faggots they hire don't hate their player base aka their customers. Just being "edgy" or "subversive" or putting in things that will make people "uncomfortable" don't make the cut at Pozzo, You have to put in minimal effort to justify it and integrate your gay god-people into the story.
But the bar isn't all that much higher than WoketardCoasties and their quality has slacked off.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Re playing a game: a forum game like Lexicon would be fun, or any of the other worldbuilding games sound like a fun idea.

 

[filthypenguin]

F2 rules, in the DM section, instructs the DM from banning slavery from their world and definitely no positive/"necessary" evil stuff. And no slaves for the party.

There's an entire AP where you play as undead in a nation that has chattel slavery of the living.

 

[Ghostse]

There's an entire AP where you play as undead in a nation that has chattel slavery of the living.

Maybe back in the day but that shit is verboten in new, woke PF2

 

[Judge Dredd]

Bit of a rant, but I'm mad. I've calmed down now but want to share anyway. Going to change some details for clarity and to avoid power leveling.

My PF2 campaign might be cut short early as I'm down to 2 players, and the possibility of another campaign is looking bleak.

One day, Player 3 had to skip to attend a wedding. Perfectly understandable. Next session he no showed, but there was a reason for it I forget. Third session in a row he no showed again because he was watching Nintendo Direct. This week, no sign of him again. No reason given but I see him on Discord playing Elden Ring. He's still participating in the Discord server so it's not a complete loss yet, but there's clearly a degradation in priorities.

I'm running into problems with my next campaign too. "I'll play anything as long as it's not 5e." "I'll play anything as long as it's 5e." "I'll play if it's a super hero setting." "I'll not play a modern setting." etc.

I'm aware of the lesbian goddess polycule, but unless I'm mistaken that was part of the canon from the beginning.

You mean Starfinder Triune? I didn't take it that way at all. Unless you mean something else.

Is there anything I missed?

A bunch. Changing "race" to "ancestry" is one. And some box text in the Agents of Edgewater police campaign talking about how all cops are bad but not in PathFinder after George Flyod died during the books publishing.

For me, most of Piazo's wokeshit is in modules. Your mileage may vary though. Is having a black human be mayor in a mostly hobbit halfing town pozzed? How about a paragraph describing a backwater village as "open and welcoming to all heritages and ancestries"? What about talking about class consiousness in interviews about a Firefly inspired space trucker campaign? Eh, I'd say yes but it's not really a problem since it's easily changed.

But things I object to are things like one adventure where the PCs are all non-human races, and there's a racist (wouldn't that be ancestryist?) the PCs have to debunk with facts and logic, at which point he gives them the item they need. Or the circus campaign where you can hire acts, but they're all really lame as he didn't want to raise the spectre of freakshows. It's all needless, and the modules didn't need them. eg. The lack of a freak show in a PathFinder circus could easily be explained by all the bizzare and horrifying things people see day-to-day, in the same way "the worlds fatest man" back in 1890 looks like a standard Walmart shopper today.

 

[filthypenguin]

Maybe back in the day but that shit is verboten in new, woke PF2

It was released in 2022.

As far as I know, the only discussion of slavery has been that they are going to stop using slavers as villains because it's lazy writing that makes people uncomfortable. There was enough backlash from woke players who like freeing slaves that they put out a statement saying that they're not reconning everything, the slavers still exist, they just aren't making any more quests about them.

You mean Starfinder Triune? I didn't take it that way at all. Unless you mean something else

Saranrae, Desna, and Shelyn.

Changing "race" to "ancestry" is one.

I don't mind this one. "Race" is less fluid than "ancestry," and PF2e has mechanics for things like dwarf/orc and gnome/changelings, plus a bunch of heritage options. Race made more sense in 3.5/pf1.

But things I object to are things like one adventure where the PCs are all non-human races, and there's a racist (wouldn't that be ancestryist?) the PCs have to debunk with facts and logic, at which point he gives them the item they need.

I've not seen that. Does the quest require that no one chose human? Does it explain why right at the beginning, or are you left to wonder why you couldn't be a human until you get half way through and everyone groans at the dumbest possible reason to limit player options?

Or the circus campaign

Is that the one with the non human PCs? We were excited about that one. One guy made a fleshwarp pinhead and another made a half kitsune half shark person abomination for freak show reasons, and someone made a goblin (jew) bard for a ringleader, but we didn't run it because we found out it was only a circus campaign at the beginning and then entirely dropped it part of the way through. They should have just made it shorter and let it be a circus campaign all the way though.

One of my favorite books of any of the campaigns was the one for pf1 where there's a freak show that got accused of a murder (I think?) and you had to gather evidence to free them. The entire party had built muchkin characters without ever revealing them to have been munchkins until that part of the book, and decided to raze the entire city to get revenge for the false imprisonment of "innocent retards."

 

[Judge Dredd]

I've not seen that. Does the quest require that no one chose human? Does it explain why right at the beginning, or are you left to wonder why you couldn't be a human until you get half way through and everyone groans at the dumbest possible reason to limit player options?

I think it was a time limited thing. I remember it was a beginner focused adventure, and I think you used pre-gens.

It's been a while since I read it. If I remember right, the premise is that something is making humans (and just humans) deathly sick. I forget the specifics, but I think the cause was a giant magical ooze that was basically in the entire sewer system. Obviously, humans can't even get close to it without dying.

we didn't run it because we found out it was only a circus campaign at the beginning and then entirely dropped it part of the way through.

This is a large problem with Paizo in general. Writing modules across multiple books, with different authors on each volume that only share the slimest of notes, means that nothing has any consistency. A few modules spring to mind.

Starfinder Against The Aeon Throne starts off great, then falls apart after the first book into a pure railroad. Iirc a plot critical device changes in size too, from about the size of a suitcase to the size of a truck. Outlaws of Alkinstar has this problem so bad that a PC might have to act out of character. The game is pitched as a wild west inspired revenge plot, it even says evil (or at least criminal) characters are allowed, but then it pivots into recovering the formula for some powerful explosives various factions want with no reason given for why the PCs shouldn't sell it or even make some explosives themselves.

They can't even self plagerise right. I hear great things about Kingmaker. When that was ported to Starfinder, it's apparently one of the most pointless modules in existance.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Looking back it's amazing how spoiled we were with this level of effort and time spent on magazine covers. I remember most of these just by looking at them. I also remember a distinctly scantily clad and pneumatic blonde sorceress in white one time, but I couldn't find her.

It's Dragon #147. I had a print copy of it in fact.

You have excellent taste.

 

[Quintus]

Legitimately sad, waiting for them to hyper-pozz Dark Sun. The Executive Director of DnD (and as someone called him once, the OGL whipping boy

) said it was "problematic" and we all know what happens to things that are "problematic." Death and/or rebirth into faggotry. No slavery, no cannibalism, no grimdark.

Please no. Other than Ebberon it's the only official campaign setting I like. I pray to what ever gods that will listen they just decide to not touch it.

 

[Desu Mountain]

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