Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[3-2-1836]

You know, Russell should look into buying an old battleship and making it a whorehouse in international waters. He could create his own floating country a la Pirate Radio. Then we could see this case resolved by the United Nations.
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS): The UNCLOS is the cornerstone of the Law of the Sea, providing a framework for states to cooperate and resolve disputes.
Maritime Law, unironically.

Maritime law says the flag he flies gets jurisdiction.

I heard Belgium just made it illegal for brothel prostitutes to refuse sex while they're working a shift.

 

[East_Clintwood]

I heard Belgium just made it illegal for brothel prostitutes to refuse sex while they're working a shift.

Not illegal, but if they refuse it too many times over a set span of time their pimp can take them to government mandated arbitration, so even the Belgian hoes can and will refuse to suck him his penis.

 

[The Un-Clit]

Fun fact, the word "Satan" originally referred to the ancient equivalent of "prosecutor" in court. The biblical Satan probably was originally meant to refer to the angel with the position of prosecutor in God's court. The story of Job is the story of God's prosecutor accusing Job of only being faithful because he had a good life.

This is also something to do with why the middle eastern nations refer to 'the great Satan' (America or Russia depending) and the 'Little Satan' (Israel) as in 'the great adversary' and 'little adversary'.

 

[Account]

None of the federal courts have jurisdiction, so we must go back to the original owners of the land, before the colonizers stole the land.
The closest Indian tribe must set up a traditional tribunal in order to see what the Great Spirit thinks about copyright law.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

People keep talking about how pro se comes with an automatic tard shield originally meant for DEFENDING one's self in criminal proceedings, but what confuses me is, criminal proceedings seem to give LESS of a tard shield.

The second a pro se in a criminal case says some sovcit garbage, the judge says "Fuck you you fucking retard! If you every pull that shit in my court again I'm banishing you to prison without a trial!"

For some reason, it seems that this being a civil proceeding gives Russ MORE leeway to file nonsense and get infinite slack!

Not a tard shield. The court has granted Russ a tard-claymore, and a champion to wield it.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

He was actually offered an appearance on Judge Judy during his Ariana Grande lolsuit. He rejected it for multiple reasons, including his fear of flying, the fact that he wouldn't get the monetary reward he wanted ($5,000 vs the $7,000 he wanted), and the fact Ariana Grande wouldn't be compelled to face him personally.

He also didn't like that Judge Judy rules more by her conscience than written law, but dude, the only way he was EVER going to get a check for a celebrity sneering at his disability is on something like Judge Judy!

 

[Mind Goblins]

None of the federal courts have jurisdiction, so we must go back to the original owners of the land, before the colonizers stole the land.
The closest Indian tribe must set up a traditional tribunal in order to see what the Great Spirit thinks about copyright law.

Okay, but closest to Utah or Florida?

 

[Shig O'nella]

Just caught up on the last 30 pages and ... yeah. Law is fucking wierd.

I'll still throw my dumbass idea into the ring:
Sue Greer. Not as part of this case, but a completely seperate one. He's fucking around, so sue him to force him to proceed with this case.
Side advantage - there'll FINALLY be a correct service address, cause if he fucks around with those games while he's the defendant, the court is gonna shit on him from a great height.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

And I mean the fucking original. I don't know if we gotta resurrect Wapner or put everyone in a time machine, but either way, that's the only place this gets handled.

Wapner was too nice. This screams for Judge Judy.

Besides the aforementioned reasons, Russ would probably fear Judge Judy simply because she rips dumbass parties to shreds in her courtroom when they act like idiots or come to court with unclean hands.

To be fair, Wapner from what I remember was also a no-nonsense judge but wasn't the type to rip people to shreds except for maybe the most egregious of behavior. Still, I can see him taking Russ to task if the latter ever appeared in front of the former.

By now, it's no secret Russ only enjoys the court experience when he feels he is in control of what happens. Just look at his filings to see how desperate he gets when a motion's ruling goes against hm or when the other party makes a filing. At the risk of restating the obvious, he acts like a control freak both in and out of the court room. In his mind, whatever threatens to take away that control is a bad thing that must be stopped at all costs.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Just caught up on the last 30 pages and ... yeah. Law is fucking wierd.

I'll still throw my dumbass idea into the ring:
Sue Greer. Not as part of this case, but a completely seperate one. He's fucking around, so sue him to force him to proceed with this case.
Side advantage - there'll FINALLY be a correct service address, cause if he fucks around with those games while he's the defendant, the court is gonna shit on him from a great height.

You don't start a 'completely separate' lawsuit based on not liking how judges are proceeding in the current one. It's an adversarial system, it's expected that the opponent will make things difficult for you- if judges let them.

I know people may say "well none of this is working" but if you start doing dumb shit without the kind of tard protection that russ has, you risk a lot of bad shit happening.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

You don't start a 'completely separate' lawsuit based on not liking how judges are proceeding in the current one

I imagine @Shig O'nella 's idea is that the claim would be about Russ' intentional fucking around and sabotage of his own lawsuit combined with the fact he admitted his goal is to financially ruin Null. I don't think it's a good idea either but there's definitely something more to it than "not liking how judges are proceeding."

 

[Moths]

Well I guess the easiest read would be to assume that since florida has divested itself and named Utah as the court handling this case that it has been invested by the power of the florida court at least I guess?

I mean at least procedurally by florida formally transferring the case to them and saying "may it be so" that utah now has discretion to act again.

Iunno but if I was a judge handling this ball of red tape Id probably hold some kind of conference which can then be used to schedule things and get both parties to agree to "lets ignore this transfer thing I guess and agree to settle this here"

 

[Staticness]

Well I guess the easiest read would be to assume that since florida has divested itself and named Utah as the court handling this case that it has been invested by the power of the florida court at least I guess?

I mean at least procedurally by florida formally transferring the case to them and saying "may it be so" that utah now has discretion to act again.

Iunno but if I was a judge handling this ball of red tape Id probably hold some kind of conference which can then be used to schedule things and get both parties to agree to "lets ignore this transfer thing I guess and agree to settle this here"

You assume Russ wants to win. Russ’s victory, if one can call it that, is that he is currently engaged in litigation against those nasty Kiwi Orchards. His case, once actually reviewed, is effectively DOA (linking a Google Drive alleged to be contributory copyright infringement, while plaintiff seeks no action against Alphabet, Inc., the company actually hosting the copyrighted material) and only the Digital Justice Foundation’s efforts to make the judge say Russell might have a case have made these proceedings last as long as they have.

Russ’s demands are absurd and also unconstitutional; such a court order leveled at the users of a website, to cease discussion of a self-proclaimed public figure, would also be near unenforceable. If the case proceeds and in discovery it becomes clear that Russ effectively has no case, he’s likely to see his suit thrown out and then he on the hook to be sued for attorney’s fees.

 

[kcbbq]

Besides the aforementioned reasons, Russ would probably fear Judge Judy simply because she rips dumbass parties to shreds in her courtroom when they act like idiots or come to court with unclean hands.

To be fair, Wapner from what I remember was also a no-nonsense judge but wasn't the type to rip people to shreds except for maybe the most egregious of behavior. Still, I can see him taking Russ to task if the latter ever appeared in front of the former.

These shows aren't courts and aren't representative of them. They're outside arbitration that's only binding because the participants sign a contract saying it is. People sign on to do it because the show pays anything that's awarded and these days the retired judges get involved because they can say shit to the idiots they wouldn't be allowed to in a real courtroom but really, really wanted to while on the bench. (e.g. Judge Judy telling John Lydon to shut up or he'll lose purely out of spite.)

Russ would be eaten alive on the shows entirely because of how little decorum they need to show and the fact he can't shut his mouth, both literally and figuratively. I imagine he would end up hating it because when he (in his own mind) inevitably wins he isn't actually taking anything from whoever the victim of his lawsuit is, so that would be pretty funny.

 

[Pee Cola]

People sign on to do it because the show pays anything that's awarded and these days the retired judges get involved because they can say shit to the idiots they wouldn't be allowed to in a real courtroom but really, really wanted to while on the bench. (e.g. Judge Judy telling John Lydon to shut up or he'll lose purely out of spite.)

True. Russhole's had enough trouble with fake and bias judges in the past.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Those shows are a slam dunk for the participants because win or lose you get paid. Like if you're in a fight with Null over $5k, and you go on, no matter what the "Judge" rules you'll both get $5k lol.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

I imagine @Shig O'nella 's idea is that the claim would be about Russ' intentional fucking around and sabotage of his own lawsuit combined with the fact he admitted his goal is to financially ruin Null. I don't think it's a good idea either but there's definitely something more to it than "not liking how judges are proceeding."

Unfortunately, it comes out to the same difference. He's allowed to do that up until a judge in the case tells him no (whether the sitting judge or on appeals). In an adversarial system, when your opponent in a civil case is screwing you over, it just means they're winning- if it's bullshit, it's the judge's fault.

You can certainly raise these issues in the case, but it's not a different case.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The big advantage Null has is that USUALLY the legal profession conspires to screw you over, so that a case like this would cause Null's lawyer to rack up as many billable hours as they thought they could get away with.

Hardin isn't doing that, so it being slow and stupid isn't terribly painful for Null.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

The big advantage Null has is that USUALLY the legal profession conspires to screw you over, so that a case like this would cause Null's lawyer to rack up as many billable hours as they thought they could get away with.

Hardin isn't doing that, so it being slow and stupid isn't terribly painful for Null.

Don't be too sure. Null has many enemies, and so is a reliable client. Hardin is playing a long game.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Don't be too sure. Null has many enemies, and so is a reliable client. Hardin is playing a long game.

I get the impression Null is Hardin's weird side hobby, not a cash cow.