Argue about CRT, effects of homeschooling, and whether Jews are stealing your foreskin

[MirnaMinkoff]

The only issue is how the kids become ostracized for not accepting those beliefs. I haven't been in school for a long time, but I would assume that not accepting some faggy book about how to butt fuck other guys gets you called a racist homophobe.

Peer pressure is always going to be a problem. Trying to enforce inclusive diversity BS has made it worse, just in a more bizzaro world way.

Being suspected of being gay got you alienated or mocked thirty years ago, now not having a pride flags accessories makes you a suspect bigot. Kids have always been shitty, they just get different ways to bully or ostracize others depending on the era. Teen boys with long hair in the 60’s got their ass beat, then every teen boy in the 70’s had long hair. The song remains the same, the tunes just change.

 

[DumbDude43]

This is what I think too. Just adhering to a schedule is too much for some people and Nick and Kayla seem like those people.

is driving them around to church school co-op really that much of a time saver compared to driving them to regular school?
also wasnt nick even an active teacher in that church school thing at some point? sounds like a lot of additional effort, i don't think this is something you choose if you're just lazy.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

The debate club seems like something a bit too organised for the coop. I have no hard evidence (I don't dig into minor children too deeply, as a general rule) but Nock mentioned they do some more coordinated programs through the local public/private school. That is my guess on the debate and art programmes. Informed speculation.

Informed speculation is all there is, and I don't actually want to know how his kids spend their time, but I do like scrutinizing his comments about how he has spent his.

And how well his depictions hang together. Because I don't see "driving 80 miles in a single day" happening hopping from house to house around Spicer, so either he's not always accurate or he's not always accurate. Then again, I also don't think the kids were excessively loaded up with activities that daddy dutifully and indefatigably schlepped them to day in and day out. Nor do I think music lessons taught by a neighbor should count as "school," nor dance class; for most kids these are non-credit extras. But then again, if (as has been suggested, for whatever that is worth) Nick Rekieta, non-practicing lawyer with 3 years of now-rusty low-volume solo practice with no guidance, who is rattling Constitutional sabers about his felony drug arrest premised on a very clear statement of probable cause, "taught" Con Law as part of "school," maybe anything goes.

pretty sure that american home school kids perform significantly better than american public school kids, both academically and socially
at least that's what all the data i've seen so far suggested

Academically - a bit, but (barring some notable examples in this very thread) homeschooler parents aren't usually totally checked out or indifferent/not in touch with kids' academics, whereas public schools have the full range of parental interest and engagement, including zero. So the pool should, just by virtue of having very few kids living with parents who have no interest/engagement, perform better than an averaged standard school segment.

Again, subject of this thread excepted. I mean, 5 kids and neither of them even contributing to this community semi-organization after Nick got booted; kids not attending (or at least not showing up to) school. I doubt this year has been one of stellar academic growth for those kids, to put it mildly.

As far as socially, I have never heard that (and anecdotally, though generally nice kids, 80% of homeschooled kids I've ever met are very socially awkward).

The only issue is how the kids become ostracized for not accepting those beliefs. I haven't been in school for a long time, but I would assume that not accepting some faggy book about how to butt fuck other guys gets you called a racist homophobe.

What are you even talking about? You're assuming something and calling it an issue. I have recent experience as a parent in an admittedly excellent school system (that I paid (and still pay) dearly for, in the form of property taxes), and there was nothing like that at all, neither from the school nor from peers. The literature selections were standard classics, same as I read (for the most part, though fewer of them, it seemed) 35+ years ago. And popular kids were the usual popular kids, not the edgy or the woke crowds.

 

[PixarsTedKennedy]

What are you even talking about? You're assuming something and calling it an issue. I have recent experience as a parent in an admittedly excellent school system (that I paid (and still pay) dearly for, in the form of property taxes), and there was nothing like that at all, neither from the school nor from peers. The literature selections were standard classics, same as I read (for the most part, though fewer of them, it seemed) 35+ years ago. And popular kids were the usual popular kids, not the edgy or the woke crowds.

Well like I said, I haven't been in school for a long time so I wasn't sure. I just assume with how everything is in the media that kids consume these days that they would be more susceptible to the 'woke' garbage that's pushed on them. When I was a kid we thought accepting gay's was cool and counterculture. I'm not sure how it is now.

 

[datura_binge]

pretty sure that american home school kids perform significantly better than american public school kids, both academically and socially
at least that's what all the data i've seen so far suggested

Anecdotal but I really doubt they do better socially. Academically, no doubt at all. Growing up and even as a young adult, I could absolutely pick a home-school kid out of a group with ease because they just didn't "fit in". Granted, this was in the 90s and early 00s, so it was pre-ubiquitous internet. Also I would think the social aspect would normalize the older they get. That's just my experience.

 

[Obsul]

Anecdotal but I really doubt they do better socially. Academically, no doubt at all. Growing up and even as a young adult, I could absolutely pick a home-school kid out of a group with ease because they just didn't "fit in". Granted, this was in the 90s and early 00s, so it was pre-ubiquitous internet. Also I would think the social aspect would normalize the older they get. That's just my experience.

I was homeschooled and grew up around homeschooled kids and saw mixed interactions between regular kids and homeschooled kids. The most socially adept homeschool kids still came across as lame and weird to regular kids. The idea that homeschooled kids are better at social interactions is ridiculous. They were more sensitive and way worse at firing back with digs and comebacks when shit on, this includes me. I eventually adapted and managed to come across more normal, but that was only because I had internet access which meant I had access to social spaces that were not the padded and coddled parent-directed homeschooling groups and churches, and when I started working having to deal with the general public finished the other half of the job.

I'm only power-levelling because it's relevant to all the talk about homeschooling that the thread has turned into.

 

[datura_binge]

I was homeschooled and grew up around homeschooled kids and saw mixed interactions between regular kids and homeschooled kids. The most socially adept homeschool kids still came across as lame and weird to regular kids. The idea that homeschooled kids are better at social interactions is ridiculous. They were more sensitive and way worse at firing back with digs and comebacks when shit on, this includes me. I eventually adapted and managed to come across more normal, but that was only because I had internet access which meant I had access to social spaces that were not the padded and coddled parent-directed homeschooling groups and churches, and when I started working having to deal with the general public finished the other half of the job.

I'm only power-levelling because it's relevant to all the talk about homeschooling that the thread has turned into.

Yeah I really don't know what "data" he has to suggest they are better socially. I would describe homeschool kids as "aggressively weird" (no offense) and the only reason I don't know about now is because I am an adult so it never really comes up. I would assume having Internet, as you said, would at least give them a chance to kinda fit in. And you are right about being sensitive. I remember feeling bad as a kid joking around with them because they'd take typical kid jokes way too seriously and get legit upset about it. Back in the day, the only hope theyd have is that they got a job in their teens that was public facing so they could figure social cues out.

 

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

Nick's

Yeah I really don't know what "data" he has to suggest they are better socially. I would describe homeschool kids as "aggressively weird" (no offense) and the only reason I don't know about now is because I am an adult so it never really comes up. I would assume having Internet, as you said, would at least give them a chance to kinda fit in. And you are right about being sensitive. I remember feeling bad as a kid joking around with them because they'd take typical kid jokes way too seriously and get legit upset about it. Back in the day, the only hope theyd have is that they got a job in their teens that was public facing so they could figure social cues out.

It’s 2024 now. They’re all on the internet 24/7 and coming off of two years of government-enforced isolation.

In the 90s and 00s home schooled kids were weird when compared with regular kids. Of course, they also had weirdo parents, because it was a weirdo thing to do then. So there may be some genetic factors. I’m not sure they were less socially successful in the rest of their lives.

I can say with kids now you can’t pick out the home schooled ones. Maybe everyone is just equally socially retarded. School kids are hyper sensitive as well.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

home schooled kids were weird when

 

[RotPockets]

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[Chazzed Up]

No one in this thread ever said homeschooling was “necessarily better,” Rekieta-style straw man erection notwithstanding.

I don't understand how it's a strawman when you said verbatim that parents imposing disturbing religious beliefs upon their children is preferable to CRT. In an ideal world neither the school nor parents should be forcing the emotional labor of guilt upon their children. It's strange to me that people can accept that teachers and the state can have ill intentions for children, but can't accept that a lot of parents put their own children in similarly cruel situations. But since 'that's their right' it's okay.

Private and charter schools also exist. Isolating your children isn't the only option, unless it's to avoid mandated reporters I guess.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

you said verbatim that parents imposing disturbing religious beliefs upon their children is preferable to CRT

Reading: How does it work?

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I am disturbed by the religious beliefs of what seems like a solid 95% of the people in this thread. So fucking what?

For one thing it’s none of my business what anyone’s religious beliefs are. And for another, parents have the right to raise their kids with the beliefs of their choosing.

It’s also demonstrably true that children who’ve been inculcated with beliefs that I personally find disturbing have been growing into functional adults for millennia. “I find those beliefs disturbing” does not translate to “parents shouldn’t be allowed to raise their children with a value system I don’t subscribe to.”

So yes, I find CRT, gender bullshit and the entire whole woke educational complex infinitely more disturbing than the idea of parents raising their kids with religious beliefs that aren’t my own. That statement does not equate to “Homeshooling is necessarily better for all kids in all circumstances.”

Can pugs run around a big, rural yard like that? I always see them doing that weird snort-breathing thing.

I’m not aware of pugs being on bed (or bathroom) rest. What would be the danger of a large, rural yard? Fuck, at least let the poor thing hang out on the patio and get fresh air!

 

[MeltyTW]

Kinda old news but "youre all so scared of the government that youll target me just because they did! its not even you being targeted!" (paraphrased) its almost like the more rational reason nick is that were not alogging you out of fear of the government because that doesnt make sense beause theyre not threatening us, but rather because youre a pos. i hate hate hate this style of propaganda where you make up something retarded and support it with "well theyre just that retarded or cowardly"

So yes, I find CRT, gender bullshit and the entire whole woke educational complex infinitely more disturbing than the idea of parents raising their kids with religious beliefs that aren’t my own. That statement does not equate to “Homeshooling is necessarily better for all kids in all circumstances.”

It’s also demonstrably true that children who’ve been inculcated with beliefs that I personally find disturbing been growing into functional adults for millennia. “I find those beliefs disturbing” does not translate to “parents shouldn’t be allowed to raise their children with a value system I don’t subscribe to.”

i think the tldr of new vs older belief systems is religion, even ones entirely outside of christianity focus on some good aspect of helping or caring for others in your community even if they take you down some suboptimal paths, whereas alot of these new age beliefs are built around individualized self destructive narcissism. a cult using drugs for instance would often just have the shaman trip in an attempt to help guide a village to prosperity, nick trips because hippie dippie dax said it doesnt matter if his kids get raped or killed as long as he lives his amoral american beauty fantasy.

 

[Chazzed Up]

I am disturbed by the religious beliefs of what seems like a solid 95% of the people in this thread. So fucking what?

For one thing it’s none of my business what anyone’s religious beliefs are. And for another, parents have the right to raise their kids with the beliefs of their choosing.

It’s also demonstrably true that children who’ve been inculcated with beliefs that I personally find disturbing have been growing into functional adults for millennia. “I find those beliefs disturbing” does not translate to “parents shouldn’t be allowed to raise their children with a value system I don’t subscribe to.”

So yes, I find CRT, gender bullshit and the entire whole woke educational complex infinitely more disturbing than the idea of parents raising their kids with religious beliefs that aren’t my own. That statement does not equate to “Homeshooling is necessarily better for all kids in all circumstances.”

So if CRT officially announced itself as a religion, you'd no longer be disturbed by it because then it's simply another religion that isn't you own and thus none of your business? This is peak cope. Calling your belief system a religion doesn't remove scrutiny.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

So if CRT officially announced itself as a religion, you'd no longer be disturbed by it because then it's simply another religion that isn't you own and thus none of your business? This is peak cope. Calling your belief system a religion doesn't remove scrutiny.

If you really don’t understand the fundamental difference between teaching something to one’s own children in your own home and indoctrinating a generation of other people’s kids in schools and calling it education while forcing the entire population to fund it, no one here can help you grasp this very basic concept.

Speaking of retards, I wish the new season of Fish Tank was being shot at Chez Balldo. It’s painful knowing how much drama and stupidity we’ve missed out on since October.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

It’s such a persistent trope and the intellectual laziness of it reinforces why so many people want their kids to learn how to think instead of being told what to think.

And homeschool parents don't want their kids being told what to think? I once went to a private school which used textbooks that proclaim the world is 6,000 years old, Noah's flood carved the Grand Canyon, God destroyed the Roman Empire because he hated Catholics for perverting the church, and lengthy fapfests over Ronald Reagan (that curiously omit any mention of amnesty or his gun bans). Apparently these are part of the most popular homeschool curriculum in the US. Another textbook we had from a different publisher talked about New Jerusalem being a giant borg cube UFO that would blow up the Solar System and then land on Old Jerusalem and squash the Antichrist's minions. The only advantage over public schools is that it's just silly shit and not absolutely evil shit like drag queens and critical race theory.

Somehow I don't think the average homeschool parent paying a few hundred bucks for these textbooks is interested in anything but having their kids be told what to think. Most people exposed to this junk either uncritically repeat it or turn the exact opposite and become hardcore leftist NPCs. I'd hope Nick's kids end up the former, given their cokehead father's sad attempts at "unindoctrinating" them. Who'd believe anything that loser says?

 

[AnOminous]

(Forgot who posted this to properly attribute the artist.)

This evil weirdo looks like he's only barely restraining the urge to strangle that dog that he talks hatefully at when he drags it on stream for some incomprehensible reason.

So if CRT officially announced itself as a religion, you'd no longer be disturbed by it because then it's simply another religion that isn't you own and thus none of your business? This is peak cope. Calling your belief system a religion doesn't remove scrutiny.

Unless the "religion" involves chopping off your fucking cock or tits and permanently wrecking your body with wrong sex hormones, it's not as bad as CRT and troonery.

And homeschool parents don't want their kids being told what to think? I once went to a private school which used textbooks that proclaim the world is 6,000 years old, Noah's flood carved the Grand Canyon, God destroyed the Roman Empire because he hated Catholics for perverting the church, and lengthy fapfests over Ronald Reagan (that curiously omit any mention of amnesty or his gun bans).

Yeah there's one called the Bible. We definitely need to burn all those things for freedom.

When did this thread turn into a fucking redditor convention?

 

[Chazzed Up]

If you really don’t understand the fundamental difference between teaching something to one’s own children in your own home and indoctrinating a generation of other people’s kids in schools and calling it education, no one here can help you grasp this very basic concept.

This is the same logic as saying Nick giving his kids cocaine is somehow better than someone outside the family giving them cocaine. It's just extremely dishonest to argue against harmful secular beliefs while defending parents' rights to indoctrinate in any way they choose so long as it's labeled a religion. Children seem to be considered property in this train of logic whose parents always have the best intentions for them.

You'd think the Rekietas would have made people realize how bad things can be at home. Fortunately his family was in a Christian church that was not willing to defend what was going on at Nick's house, but plenty of weirdo cults cover for abuse in their own circles.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

And homeschool parents don't want their kids being told what to think?

This is the same logic as saying Nick giving his kids cocaine is somehow better than someone outside the family giving them cocaine.

I appreciate you both making my point.



Speaking of people who find thinking problematic, this is unsurprising:

 

[Chazzed Up]

Unless the "religion" involves chopping off your fucking cock or tits and permanently wrecking your body with wrong sex hormones, it's not as bad as CRT and troonery.

What is circumcision?