Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[verissimus]

I am not defending George because he really should have known better but IRCC Iger proudly admitted in his book that he was playing on George’s fear of getting old, and how he had no apparent heir to the franchise. Bob Iger is a manipulative POS that groomed him by playing on his fears.

To be fair to George Lucas he probably expected Disney to, at least, try to make a good enough product even if it was soulless like then MCU. Nobody was expecting for things to get this bad. That they would actively try to sobotage Star Wars for the sake of ideology, without even caring about profit.

But don’t get me wrong, I agree. George really made a big mistake. He is a grown man and with all his years in the industry I did expect him to be smarter. He was too trusting and too naive.

As far as I'm concerned, George's biggest mistake was trusting Kathleen Kennedy not Bog Iger.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

As far as I'm concerned, George's biggest mistake was trusting Kathleen Kennedy not Bog Iger.

Meh Kennedy's just getting her revenge on George for all the cock she had to suck, for all those coffee's she had to fetch, for all the times she's had to smile and nod while she was screaming inside listening to men bash her.

Kennedy can't save Star Wars, she can't create anything good period given her attitudes towards men, but she sure as hell can make George watch as she burns his legacy to the ground leaving nothing but ashes. Sucks for her that George really doesn't care that much as he's got a kool billion bucks in his pocket for Star Wars.

Really it's very typical behaviour of a "cast aside" female. Same reason some women will kill their own kids to hurt their husbands for leaving them. After Spielberg passed her on to George Kennedy thought she had it made only to find she was just in the hands of another Hollywood man who was only interested in her BJ skills and not her ideas.

I get that she's pissed that no one ever recognized her "talent" and she was only useful as a connection to her boss but why take it out on the fans? Surely after 30 years of sucking Hollywood cock she's got the dirt needed to get what she wants?

Maybe Kennedy really is that terrible that after all her time in the halls of power she learned absolutely nothing.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

lol, wish.com Ezra Miller is Smilo Ren. Jeckie gets wasted as does Yord. Smilo Ren has cortosis ore in his helmet. The lightsaber fight that was supposed to rival the one in The Phantom Menace was shit and filmed mostly in the dark to hide it.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

I don't think people remember just how bad the old EU actually got at the end. Disney dumping it was initially seen as a good thing because the Jedi had actually turned evil at that point,

Evil? There was a short period when they were influenced by Vergere's teaching of moral relativism but it only lasted for the Dark Nest trilogy and was dropped when it lead to some bad things happening.

the entire galaxy revolved around Zahn's retarded Chiss aliens,

Once again, they were relevant in the Dark Nest trilogy (2005).

and Luke was fighting Force Gods

I blame Filoni for Force Gods. At least space Force Cthulhu was more interesting than the ones on Mortis.

when he wasn't torturing his nephew

I think he was rather nice and accepting to Caedus for much longer than he should've been. It's still weird that Jaina just killed him when he pretty much admitted that he fucked up.

and seceding from the government over trivial policy differences.

I mean, he was exiled and his people were persecuted. And it wasn't him leading the Jedi uprising against the government, it was Kenth Hamner and Saba Sabatyne.

Sure, there was some dumb shit - like Boba Fett still being an active commando \ bounty hunter in his 80s, needlessly killing Mara or electing an ex-imperial war criminal for the chief of state. But it was nowhere near as bad and creatively bankrupt as the Disney stuff, including sequel trilogy.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Evil? There was a short period when they were influenced by Vergere's teaching of moral relativism but it only lasted for the Dark Nest trilogy and was dropped when it lead to some bad things happening.


Once again, they were relevant in the Dark Nest trilogy (2005).


I blame Filoni for Force Gods. At least space Force Cthulhu was more interesting than the ones on Mortis.


I think he was rather nice and accepting to Caedus for much longer than he should've been. It's still weird that Jaina just killed him when he pretty much admitted that he fucked up.


I mean, he was exiled and his people were persecuted. And it wasn't him leading the Jedi uprising against the government, it was Kenth Hamner and Saba Sabatyne.

Sure, there was some dumb shit - like Boba Fett still being an active commando \ bounty hunter in his 80s, needlessly killing Mara or electing an ex-imperial war criminal for the chief of state. But it was nowhere near as bad and creatively bankrupt as the Disney stuff, including sequel trilogy.

LMAO. Luke flat out told the New Alliance International or whatever they were calling themselves that they should obey the Jedi, their betters, and when they didn't he led all the Jedi in a mass defection in the middle of a battle just to be extra dickish. He also cold bloodedly beheaded a defeated opponent in a fit of rage and only felt bad later because he didn't murder the right person.

I didn't say it was just as bad as Disney Wars, but it was indeed bad. Also Zahn is hella overrated. "I studied their aaarrrttt!"

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Luke flat out told the New Alliance International or whatever they were calling themselves that they should obey the Jedi, their betters, and when they didn't he led all the Jedi in a mass defection in the middle of a battle just to be extra dickish.

Well, I too thought that Daala was pretty reasonable early in the series and her countermeasures for Jedi going mad because of Force Cthulhu were not uncalled for.

 

[Registration]

Still watching the RLM Acolyte episode.

Mike said something about how mediocre this series is and yeah I can see it. What was truly bad for me was the whole third season of the mandalorian, that was terrible. Jesus the hammer lady made me cringe harder than anything (except the lame dance in episode 3) in acolyte

 

[Screamer_2]

Still watching the RLM Acolyte episode.

Mike said something about how mediocre this series is and yeah I can see it. What was truly bad for me was the whole third season of the mandalorian, that was terrible. Jesus the hammer lady made me cringe harder than anything (except the lame dance in episode 3) in acolyte

I wonder if it's a classic case of why film series often go to shit after two successful films. Bob Iger gets Favreau to make Mandolorian. He's allowed to do his thing. Turns out great. Told to go make another season. It's also good. Suddenly Star Wars TV is a big thing for Disney and Lucasfilm. So then there's now lots of meddling and demands. People coming in to stick their fingers in it have to work more directly under Lucasfilms control.

Andor survived as it was its own thing.

Then Acolyte is a Star Wars show made by people who don't know star wars or even like it with the wrong people deliberately hired for "reasons." Then clearly some agenda and ideological things going on.

Kenobi is a mess because they were lazy in turning the film into a TV show, then had a director that was fine on the other show because when you're doing episodes you're executing the show runners vision, but clearly can't do it on her own.

Ashoka, I don't even know, I haven't seen all of Clone Wars but Filoni should have done better. I wonder if he writing at the pace he would tell a story over a 22-episode season. Which is why it felt so incomplete.

Boba Fett. My gut reaction is that it was meant to be a linear story, but they were told not to do that as it must have present Boba first and forement. Then a lack of confidence and they demanded episodes of The Mandalorian be inserted. The split timeline really hurt that show.

 

[Registration]

I wonder if it's a classic case of why film series often go to shit after two successful films. Bob Iger gets Favreau to make Mandolorian. He's allowed to do his thing. Turns out great. Told to go make another season. It's also good. Suddenly Star Wars TV is a big thing for Disney and Lucasfilm. So then there's now lots of meddling and demands. People coming in to stick their fingers in it have to work more directly under Lucasfilms control.

Andor survived as it was its own thing.

Then Acolyte is a Star Wars show made by people who don't know star wars or even like it with the wrong people deliberately hired for "reasons." Then clearly some agenda and ideological things going on.

Kenobi is a mess because they were lazy in turning the film into a TV show, then had a director that was fine on the other show because when you're doing episodes you're executing the show runners vision, but clearly can't do it on her own.

Ashoka, I don't even know, I haven't seen all of Clone Wars but Filoni should have done better. I wonder if he writing at the pace he would tell a story over a 22-episode season. Which is why it felt so incomplete.

Boba Fett. My gut reaction is that it was meant to be a linear story, but they were told not to do that as it must have present Boba first and forement. Then a lack of confidence and they demanded episodes of The Mandalorian be inserted. The split timeline really hurt that show.

What connects all with the exception of Andor is how all these series can't do episodic shit right, it always has one that feels like nothing happens and the pacing sucks. If you see old TV series, even comedic ones understood how to tell a story in a single episode, the star war ones doesn't do that, they meander and even when they have variable lenghts, they still can't get it right

 

[Screamer_2]

What connects all with the exception of Andor is how all these series can't do episodic shit right, it always has one that feels like nothing happens and the pacing sucks. If you see old TV series, even comedic ones understood how to tell a story in a single episode, the star war ones doesn't do that, they meander and even when they have variable lenghts, they still can't get it right

Writers these days aren't coming up on shows that do lots of stand-alone episodes. Be it drama or sitcoms. So they never learn the craft of storytelling. They come up with a story idea for a whole season that would have been a single episode of The X-Files or Star Trek The Next Generation. Then spread and pad it out.

I felt Mando was good at short stories. My memory could be wrong. Then s3 felt like it was padded out to get to the final two episodes which should have been told over more episodes. Instead of rushed. Which was an odd choice.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Writers these days aren't coming up on shows that do lots of stand-alone episodes. Be it drama or sitcoms. So they never learn the craft of storytelling. They come up with a story idea for a whole season that would have been a single episode of The X-Files or Star Trek The Next Generation. Then spread and pad it out.

I felt Mando was good at short stories. My memory could be wrong. Then s3 felt like it was padded out to get to the final two episodes which should have been told over more episodes. Instead of rushed. Which was an odd choice.

At the risk of sounding like Mr Plinkett, modern writers can't even write Night Court well. They can't even write jokes, let alone 40 minute episodes of anything. On that I agree.

I don't agree that it's because they stretch out the premise though. BoBF has a great premise with a good director in charge of the project. What happens in that? Characters are laughably incompetent. Obi-wan has an even better premise. What happens in that? It turns into Reva fanfiction. It's just the simpler answer of these morons don't know how to tell stories and don't care to hear criticism.

 

[The Valeyard]

I'm guessing that in the story the evil twin cuts her hair so she can pretend to be her sister, but doing it like this looks really stupid.

 

[Screamer_2]

Here we are in 2024, latest Star Wars out. I haven't seen it. It's downloaded and I'll watch later. I have come across what are major spoilers. Don't care. One of them is something in line with things we assumed based on the premise of the show but thought they'd be too dumb. It'll still end up being dumb. Another major spoiler is something that was absolutely obvious last week.

At the risk of sounding like Mr Plinkett, modern writers can't even write Night Court well. They can't even write jokes, let alone 40 minute episodes of anything. On that I agree.

I don't agree that it's because they stretch out the premise though. BoBF has a great premise with a good director in charge of the project. What happens in that? Characters are laughably incompetent. Obi-wan has an even better premise. What happens in that? It turns into Reva fanfiction. It's just the simpler answer of these morons don't know how to tell stories and don't care to hear criticism.

With BOBF, that's why I wonder if there were notes that chopped up the series.

Other reasons are apparently newer writers don't read, so have an influence base of TV Shows and movies. So aren't creative.


I assume with all the diversity. It's getting a lot of inexperienced writers jobs they aren't suited for. With writing jobs being less in recent years, people will lie and say anything they can to get a job. It has been said a lot of people have been hired onto IP and franchises with the studio thinking they're a big fan and it turns out they're not. Who knows if that is true or a good theory as to why so much us so shit. Could just be people don't want to adapt but it's a job and so doing their own thing with it is what they're interested in doing. As opposed to respecting the material.

With all the ideology and woke shit. It's all, "in the past white men just hired white men they knew." Where they're just doing the same. Then the stupid ideologies get in the way of stories. There is a reason we all knew Reva would "not really be bad" from the first time we saw her in the trailer. We know the dumb thinking. Then the lack of storytelling means it makes no sense and isn't story driven. We can see why choices are made and where they will then lead. It's an algorithm, not story.

You look at some stuff and you have no clue why people were hired for various things. It'll be a writer that's never worked in the genre often with very few credits. A good example of this is the director of the Rey movie. Nothing at all suggests she'd be good for Star Wars.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I'm guessing that in the story the evil twin cuts her hair so she can pretend to be her sister, but doing it like this looks really stupid.

Because Mulan Queen SLAY!

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

I'm guessing that in the story the evil twin cuts her hair so she can pretend to be her sister, but doing it like this looks really stupid.

Damn, the plan's fullproof. If only the jedi were able to sense the difference between people, especially when it's someone they know on a personal level. If only the wolfabuu who okayed all these scripts had an episode of his own series that established how jedi senses are keen enough to sense the difference between literal clones in the force.

Also, are my eyes playing tricks on me, or does the sister have a tattoo on her forehead that the other one doesn't?

 

[Rykel22]

I'm guessing that in the story the evil twin cuts her hair so she can pretend to be her sister, but doing it like this looks really stupid.

Guess in addition to the Force being unable to help the Jedi sense the switch, their noses are also dead to the smell of burnt hair.

 

[The Valeyard]

Also, are my eyes playing tricks on me, or does the sister have a tattoo on her forehead that the other one doesn't?

Yes, she does. The one episode that I did watch was the third, and the evil twin gained that marking during the "Power of One-2-Many" scene.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Yes, she does. The one episode that I did watch was the third, and the evil twin gained that marking during the "Power of One-2-Many" scene.

So the one asian guy just has bad vision, huh? What did Disney mean by this?

 

[Gender Fluids BLEVE]

Guess in addition to the Force being unable to help the Jedi sense the switch, their noses are also dead to the smell of burnt hair.

Probably can't detect it over the reek of cocoa butter.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I didn't say it was just as bad as Disney Wars, but it was indeed bad. Also Zahn is hella overrated. "I studied their aaarrrttt!"

I thought it was fine for what it was. IRL military geniuses have a whole constellation of supporting characters, but the needs of fiction saw Zahn condense them into one character. Thrawn and Pellaeon form a Holmes and Watson duo, not Alexander and Ptolomey.