Serious LGBT Discussion

When it comes to surrogacy and adoption, there's a lot of conflicting laws and procedures and those come about from being a battleground for multiple different culture war crap (gays, immigration, etc.).
It's somehow okay to sell a baby before its born, but not afterwards.
You should see the horrors of the adoption industry (yes, industry).
I don't think children raised by homosexuals will be well adjusted. There is a massively different dynamic between men and women, and children learn a lot more from heterosexual parents navigating conflict. Lesbians are prone to high levels of domestic violence. I think its' likely the majority of gays abuse their children.
From all studies done on this they come out normal.
 
It's emotionally unhealthy for gays to keep trying to produce these Bizarro relationships that unnaturally mimic straight relationships. No amount of ceremony, paperwork or made to order children is going to make the itch go away. Any bisexual who has been in relationships with both sexes can tell you that the dynamics in straight relationships are fundamentally different. Trying to replicate it is pointless and destructive.
 
It's emotionally unhealthy for gays to keep trying to produce these Bizarro relationships that unnaturally mimic straight relationships. No amount of ceremony, paperwork or made to order children is going to make the itch go away. Any bisexual who has been in relationships with both sexes can tell you that the dynamics in straight relationships are fundamentally different. Trying to replicate it is pointless and destructive.
This sounds like an argument for transing the gay away
 
It's emotionally unhealthy for gays to keep trying to produce these Bizarro relationships that unnaturally mimic straight relationships. No amount of ceremony, paperwork or made to order children is going to make the itch go away. Any bisexual who has been in relationships with both sexes can tell you that the dynamics in straight relationships are fundamentally different. Trying to replicate it is pointless and destructive.
What should they aspire to instead? A lifetime of casual sex is not exactly a healthy alternative and it is a trap that is difficult to escape from as many straight people over 30 have also found out.
 
It's emotionally unhealthy for gays to keep trying to produce these Bizarro relationships that unnaturally mimic straight relationships. No amount of ceremony, paperwork or made to order children is going to make the itch go away. Any bisexual who has been in relationships with both sexes can tell you that the dynamics in straight relationships are fundamentally different. Trying to replicate it is pointless and destructive.
Do so many gays really marry and try to have kids? All I'm seeing is either "Party and casual sex till you're 60" types, militant queers who think it's fascist to be married with children or essentially incels.
I've asked earlier either in this or in the other LGBT Kiwis thread - I don't think bisexuality is a real thing, you can't be 50% gay and 50% straight and even if you can, you don't belong in the gay community because you're only half gay; nothing convinced me otherwise so far. Are there any famous bisexuals? Couples (throuples?)? People in history that were bi? Any in this thread?
 
Do so many gays really marry and try to have kids?
I don’t want kids and I’m not necessarily gung-ho for marriage but I certainly would love a stable, long term, monogamous relationship spent with someone I can see myself enjoying their company for the rest of my life. I know it might be hard to get, the vast majority of the gay community certainly seems to prefer just slutting around and sticking it in any willing guy without a second thought, but there are some of us out there who never have been about that lifestyle and do want that, for lack of a better term, “normal” relationship. I don’t blame anyone at this point who thinks it’s impossible for a gay couple to have that, but I’d certainly like to hope it could be the case one day.
 
I don't think children raised by homosexuals will be well adjusted. There is a massively different dynamic between men and women, and children learn a lot more from heterosexual parents navigating conflict. Lesbians are prone to high levels of domestic violence. I think it’s' likely the majority of gays abuse their children.
I don’t think gay men should be raising children. A maternal figure in a child’s life is extremely important. A paternal one is, too ofc especially for a son, but raising a child without any sort of mother unless circumstances can’t permit it seems pretty cruel.

Also the lesbian domestic violence statistic was pulled from a study from the 1970’s where the actual statistic was quoting women who had been abused by a previous partner, with lesbians being the highest since many of them were pressured into heterosexual relationships. It’s a myth paraded around by conservatives as a shitty “gotcha” to dykes. The truth is, men are much more violent to their partners than women are.
 
To contribute my own frustrations to the LGBT community, I simultaneously hate that the members lambast detractors who point out the openly sexually explicit aspects of LGBT culture, whilst the members also do nothing on their end to improve their image of not being obsessed with sex.

I was googling the LGBT Community Center in Manhattan since I used to stay for long periods of time in Greenwich Village in the 90's-early 2000's. Back then it was called the Gay & Lesbian Community Center but I digress. It's listed on the NYC LGBT Historical Sites project page because it was one of the first community centers of its kind ever established.

Well on the website they have a small slideshow with only a few photographs showcasing such a historical site throughout its 50-year existence, and this is the two out of the ten images they focus so heavily on:

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Disgusting globohomo wall art of an orgy. Classy.

I know LGBT culture has historically been pretty racy but it was kept within a subculture you had to be on the lookout for. I don't think the community realizes how in becoming more mainstream and wanting to teach others about accepting their brethren, they need to leave the raciness for adult venues and not flaunt it in public spaces. This community center allows kids to access it btw. It makes them look like sexpests and it's embarrassing to be associated with it. They need to quit acting like a bunch of stereotypes and get their shit together.
 
The guys of American Thinker added their pinch of salt with that article.

Conservatives are beginning to tire of the LGBTQ+ radicals’ moral acceptability​

By Andrea Widburg


Beginning in the 1970s, gays argued that they’re just like us, only gay. In the ensuing decades, as the alphabet soup of non-standard sexualities grew from lesbian and gay to add bisexual, we were encouraged to accept same-sex marriage because they’re just like us. Once that goal was achieved, though, we got the T(ransgender) and the Q(uestioning), and then the “plus” stuff (intersex, asexual, two-spirit, pansexual, etc.), when we realized that they’re not just like us. No wonder a recent Gallup poll shows that conservatives are beginning to have enough of this nonsense.

I recognize the distinction between same-sex attraction, which is as old as human history, and the modern madness we’re seeing. There’s a big difference between people who happen to be gay but who define themselves by other values and those who are defined solely by their sexuality.
The former have tended to become conservative as they realize that a stable society, good economic policies, national security, etc., are more important than sexual orientation. The latter, by contrast, have become ever more extreme as they do anything they can to force society to accommodate their increasingly bizarre sexual behaviors. (Warning: I cannot keep the upcoming content entirely G-rated.)

We’ve long understood that male homosexuality focuses on anal sex, which brings a host of health problems because it’s a vector for all sorts of sexually transmitted and other diseases. It’s also characterized by exceptional excess. Without the brakes that women impose (wanting emotional connections, having monthly periods, pregnancy, the fatigue of raising children, etc.), men will have sex until their bodies literally break down. (This post is an extremely graphic and heartbreaking description of unbridled modern male homosexuality.)

Still, if gay men kept it among themselves, so to speak, and with AIDS seemingly under control, we tolerant Americans accepted it. And, if lesbians and gays craved normalcy, why not let them have marriage? Surely, we thought, it would be a steadying influence on the LGB community.


Except, of course, that’s not what happened. Seemingly within minutes of the Obergefell decision, which was written like a romance novel to justify finding an imaginary constitutional right to same-sex marriage, the LGB crowd began to add transgenderism and the whole panoply of bizarre sexualities. At the same time, we were told that pedophiles are just normal “Minor Attracted People,” more to be pitied than censured.
 
No wonder a recent Gallup poll shows that conservatives are beginning to have enough of this nonsense.
So business as usual? The only time when American conservatives were not in opposition to LGBT was shortly before and during the Trump presidency when they were courted as a potential voter group similar to Hispanics and Blacks. I never understood why the LGBT would support the Republicans as they hold opposite positions in social issues and economic campaign goals are rarely achieved. Democrats and the wider progressive movement already captured the LGBT by introducing gay marriage. Republicans will never contest that and LGBT people will never have a reason to support the USA conservatives.
 
So business as usual? The only time when American conservatives were not in opposition to LGBT was shortly before and during the Trump presidency when they were courted as a potential voter group similar to Hispanics and Blacks. I never understood why the LGBT would support the Republicans as they hold opposite positions in social issues and economic campaign goals are rarely achieved. Democrats and the wider progressive movement already captured the LGBT by introducing gay marriage. Republicans will never contest that and LGBT people will never have a reason to support the USA conservatives.
Maybe some LGB tried to distant themselves from the T and Q and there was some tensions in the past between them as it happened to a veteran gay protester in 2022 and it might happen again in the future.

And speaking of gay marriage, we don't hear a lot about gay divorce and it could be interesting to learn more about this.
 
Maybe some LGB tried to distant themselves from the T and Q and there was some tensions in the past between them as it happened to a veteran gay protester in 2022 and it might happen again in the future.
There are definitely tensions within the LGBT, but I doubt whether Republicans and the wider conservative movement will exploit this. It will probably just deepen the existing gap between the radical and moderate wings within the progressive movement. Even the LGB have no reason to vote for Republicans and as a result, the conservatives don't have to pretend to tolerate them anymore.
And speaking of gay marriage, we don't hear a lot about gay divorce and it could be interesting to learn more about this.
The data on divorce rates between homosexual couples is minimal and difficult to find for most countries. Best I can offer are Dutch CBS statistics for marriages made in 2010 where the divorce rates by 2020 are as follows: heterosexual 15,75% (11,662), two men 13,70% (90) and two women 25,92% (180). There are also some articles for Scandinavia and UK claiming a higher divorce rate for lesbians with gays lower or same as heterosexual marriages. Honestly, I wouldn't put too much trust in any of this data being representative as studying homosexual divorce rates is difficult due to the limited data, small samples and the topic being taboo. The legalization of homosexual marriage is also relatively recent and it is impossible to analyze long-term trends over such a short timeframe.
 
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I don’t think gay men should be raising children. A maternal figure in a child’s life is extremely important. A paternal one is, too ofc especially for a son, but raising a child without any sort of mother unless circumstances can’t permit it seems pretty cruel.
I would probably have way less trauma if I was raised by a loving gay couple instead of the maternal figure/egg donor I got stuck with.

Not removing kids from her care is what was cruel.
 
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