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What is your favorite car? (Top 3)

  • Ame Sea

    Votes: 6 1.7%

  • Ferd

    Votes: 79 22.6%

  • Chevus

    Votes: 29 8.3%

  • Crintzler

    Votes: 5 1.4%

  • Doge

    Votes: 38 10.9%

  • Beem Dubya

    Votes: 28 8.0%

  • Mersaydis

    Votes: 28 8.0%

  • Volts-Wagon

    Votes: 31 8.9%

  • FIOT

    Votes: 8 2.3%

  • Joop

    Votes: 21 6.0%

  • Alphonse Romero

    Votes: 9 2.6%

  • Vulva

    Votes: 34 9.7%

  • Teslur

    Votes: 11 3.1%

  • Mincooper

    Votes: 6 1.7%

  • Knee-Son

    Votes: 17 4.9%

  • Hun-die

    Votes: 11 3.1%

  • Toyoder

    Votes: 123 35.1%

  • Hondo

    Votes: 90 25.7%

  • Subrue

    Votes: 47 13.4%
  • Total voters
    350
♂CANAM productions♂ said:
I have two fun (bad) decisions in my life recently.

I now have a 1.6 Diesel VW pickup as my daily driver
I also picked up a 2.5L Turbo Diesel Chrysler D50 4WD.
Now I need to get rid of body damaged S10 that I kept maintained engine/transmission wise.

Send help.
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Huh. You're going down a path I saved myself from some time ago. Weird 80s Diesel.

I got most discouraged that probably all of the diesel Maxima wagons are gone because the crank is a direct fit stroke mod for the 280Z guys and they'd pay you a zillion times the car's worth to just send them the crank and scrap the rest.
 
Had a weird one the other day. I Think I've mention I'm a auto locksmith specializing in the very complicated cars, rare and unusual. I get a call for a plain old Mazda 6 2008, all keys are lost. NOTHING will communicate with the ECU via ODB2 port. NOTHING. No Can-bus no voltage even. Nice lady says car sat for a week , they lost the keys. She mentions the emissions guys had to tweak some shit to get it to pass just recently. I get lied to buy customers a lot, more than you think. "I just lost the Benz key" is secretly code for the ESL (electronic steering lock) failed in the locked position and now the ESL needs to be removed rebuilt or replace and paired with the security system. The dealer charges 2,000$ for this on average so people (mostly niggers) call me up and claim they lost the key or the key is broken despite the key producing a perfectly clear radio/ IR signal. I did not get this "lying vibe" from her, but she did mention the emissions guys had to work on it. Voltage was around 12.20, no damage to the ignition, rotating a key to "run" made the lights and AC respond but no radio. I start fuse hunting and find a 15 AMP sitting kinda funny like someone pulled it out and partially put it back in. Naturally it's blown and I swap it out for another .25 cent 15 amp and all of sudden the ECU is alive and I get 2 keys into the system.

S0 the question is, obviously the emissions guys need the OBD2 to work to verify VIN and run the emission diagnostics. Is there a fuse you can pull during emissions to trick the system into passing? I have always wanted to know if it's possible to build an ECU emulator with a quick editing VIN that passes 50 state emissions? Something like a Honda civic that you can edit the VIN data on the fly without removing the ECU and just run the test and make a dirty car run clean. In my experience Hondas are probably a bad example were one of the first cars to require VIN matching to most modules making the civic a bad example but just some shitty ford focus with a clean engine might work. IIRC ford PCMs have a record of having the VIN changeable very easy. I always wondered how the illegal smog shops did it. It's either that or a backup "manually VIN entry" option but, I would imagine too many of those sent to the registration would trigger an automatic investigation. If %50 of your customers cars have a manual entry VIN emissions test you either work in a really shitty part of town or your taking an extra $200 to pass a failed vehicle. Emissions testing is pointless IMHO
 
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Troon_Patrol said:
IIRC ford PCMs have a record of having the VIN changeable very easy. I always wondered how the illegal smog shops did it.
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Ford PCMs require a dealer reflash on the VIN since the earlier 2000s but weren't cryptographically signed until recently due to the EPA threatening to sue them (Like 2016 or 2020). Now you just send it off to Canada or Europe (or China) where they have dedicated software to fake the signature and/or modify he software and don't care about the EPA raping their ass.

As to the fuse question. I think what he did was pull out the fuse and modified the emissions control wiring with a short or wired a signal directly into the sensor. Or he was using something connected to OBDII to read and once he shorted it he knew where to inject values into the system. Depending on the type of smog fail, if he might only need 1 running sensor out of 2 so he bypassed the one throwing the error.
 
♂CANAM productions♂ said:
Ford PCMs require a dealer reflash on the VIN since the earlier 2000s but weren't cryptographically signed until recently due to the EPA threatening to sue them (Like 2016 or 2020). Now you just send it off to Canada or Europe (or China) where they have dedicated software to fake the signature and/or modify he software and don't care about the EPA raping their ass.

As to the fuse question. I think what he did was pull out the fuse and modified the emissions control wiring with a short or wired a signal directly into the sensor. Or he was using something connected to OBDII to read and once he shorted it he knew where to inject values into the system. Depending on the type of smog fail, if he might only need 1 running sensor out of 2 so he bypassed the one throwing the error.
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Well I know for a fact as late as 2014 a ford VIN can be modified outside the dealership and it will continue to run with all modules perfectly. Ford IDS dealer software was leaked a while ago and people have been doing all kinds of things that were at one time "dealer only" service. Isn't that how it all goes with almost everyone? parts and service are all dealer only for about 4-5 years then either the Chinese reverse engineer them or somebody steals dealer software. In the recent years most major manufacturers have been requiring live connection to their server for certain pairing procedures as far as I know. NASTF has become a collection of faggot cocksuckers who decided they were a government regulatory organization, like the EPA or OSHA or something. Nobody gave them the right to act as an intermediary they just appointed themselves and determine their own policies fees and salaries. I hope somebody sues the fuck out of them when a car becomes non-serviceable in an emergency and somebody dies because the server was down.
 
I keep seeing these guys around and they look like they got stung by a bee, makes me giggle everytime

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But I think I am starting to like the look lol
 
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♂CANAM productions♂ said:
I also picked up a 2.5L Turbo Diesel Chrysler D50 4WD.
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Rarity, D50s that aren't rusted into a pile and crushed by now are rare enough but a 2.5 diesel adds to that. Pretty sure those have a timing belt. Check service records and if there aren't any, replace the belt and tensioners/idlers as soon as you can.

Troon_Patrol said:
Is there a fuse you can pull during emissions to trick the system into passing? I have always wanted to know if it's possible to build an ECU emulator with a quick editing VIN that passes 50 state emissions?
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They probably just cleared the codes and trims and ran the test to see if it would just pass, either that or there was a simple repair like an O2 sensor or EGR valve and the fuse was pulled to reset the ECU. Emulating OBD2 wouldn't be trivial but in the end it's just serial data and looking for the correct responses. You'd have to pass some signals through from the ECU (you can't really emulate what the car is doing as it runs, it would have to be real time data) or just duplicate them and scrub any trouble codes, but you can't trick the CEL into going off or trick the exhaust probe by faking OBD, more trouble than it's worth.
 
God's drunkest driver said:
They probably just cleared the codes and trims and ran the test to see if it would just pass, either that or there was a simple repair like an O2 sensor or EGR valve and the fuse was pulled to reset the ECU. Emulating OBD2 wouldn't be trivial but in the end it's just serial data and looking for the correct responses. You'd have to pass some signals through from the ECU (you can't really emulate what the car is doing as it runs, it would have to be real time data) or just duplicate them and scrub any trouble codes, but you can't trick the CEL into going off or trick the exhaust probe by faking OBD, more trouble than it's worth.
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I guess the question I should be asking is how do the emissions stations fake an emission test?

Once again the fuse was left precariously OUT position, a burnt 15 amp fuse, it prevented a few basic functions but all coms with the OBD2, power/CANBUS everything. So if the emissions shop is running a legit operation and there are no coms with the OBD2/ECU how was it passed?
 
I think I am buying a 2024 Chevy Equinox RS.

It ticks all my boxes, I rented one last year and used for a week and liked it, and its affordable. The RS trim is around $30K where I am at and I am seeing it go lower. The backseat is spacious so it will be great for 2 carseats, and it has enough trunk space for a small roadtrip. AWD for snowy weather, heated seats, 360 camera, all the bells and whistles I am looking for.

I wanted a Subaru Outback but I hate the infotainment system, everything is controlled by a touch screen.

Feel free to call me retarded since I am weeks away from pulling the trigger on this, but it seems like enough bang for my buck to break my no US cars rule. Check engine light just came on AGAIN for my 12 year old VW Golf that I have beaten to shit, and the family needs a larger car so even if its not a great time to buy I will probably need something soon.
 
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Troon_Patrol said:
I guess the question I should be asking is how do the emissions stations fake an emission test?

Once again the fuse was left precariously OUT position, a burnt 15 amp fuse, it prevented a few basic functions but all coms with the OBD2, power/CANBUS everything. So if the emissions shop is running a legit operation and there are no coms with the OBD2/ECU how was it passed?
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The fuse is a red herring, if they're going to pass a car that shouldn't pulling a fuse isn't going to do it unless something is wrong that can be temporarily fixed by clearing the ECU's fuel trim tables. By law none of this stuff can be bypassed, manufacturers aren't going to build something that gives you such an easy fake out. VW got in massive trouble for fairly well hidden emissions test specific ECU programming. Even in the '90s you couldn't just pull a fuse or block an EGR port or something to disable or fake out emissions equipment. Maybe they didn't put it in the whole way when they put it back or the owner pulled it and lied about it. Maybe the car has an intermittent electrical issue. Passing a car that shouldn't pass involves just basic corruption; not testing it and saying you did or entering test results for another car in its place. The reporting is not terribly sophisticated and depends on the state.

anklyscr said:
talking about new cars and progress the new M5 just dropped and somehow it's bigger , heavier and slower than the outgoing model
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No big surprise. Everything is going to shit now and now the M5 is the second one to fall, did you see the AMG "C63"? They're 4cyl hybrids and weigh more than the old E63. The "63" variety of AMGs has been steadily been going downhill for over a decade:
>Glorious sounding 6.2L M156
>Meh sounding 5.5L M157
>V8 vacuum cleaner sounding 4L M177
>A FUCKING 2.0L 4CYL HYBRID THAT SOUNDS WORSE THAN A 20 YEAR OLD EVO FUCK YOU MERCEDES AND AMG

Everything is going to shit. It will be hybrid or EV and sound like ass. The M5 also joins the C63 in that it's uglier too. The front end looks too big for the car. Very odd proportions, chunky. I haven't seen one in person but it's probably no better IRL, similar to the other new BMW monstrosities, the i7 and ix.
 
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ASTF has become a collection of faggot cocksuckers who decided they were a government regulatory organization
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It's worse than that. They have the tacit backing of both the government and the automakers (who want to keep competition out). State backed private administrative agency.
God's drunkest driver said:
Rarity, D50s that aren't rusted into a pile and crushed by now are rare enough but a 2.5 diesel adds to that. Pretty sure those have a timing belt. Check service records and if there aren't any, replace the belt and tensioners/idlers as soon as you can.
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I cannot recall a non-belt/chain timed diesel in that era's light pickups (Larger Fords had a timing gear). The only one I can think of was the C240 and that was in production until 2016. That's an Isuzu diesel for forklift or other heavy use equipment (I once found one as a boat motor). Outside the US everyone got timing gears, IDK why we didn't get any.
The D50 is nice except for the head being aluminum if I recall. I think the only steel block + head was some (?) of the VW and Isuzu's C223.

Best places to find a non-rust bucket for me has been high desert of the great basin (Eastern OR, NV, ID, UT) or the Southwest (Western/ NW TX, NM, AZ). CA excepted because there's lots of shenanigans out there with those trucks. Wyoming/CO/TX panhandle sees decent vehicles with faded exteriors and shit interiors (that sun will kill anything).
I found a Turbo-diesel Isuzu Trooper the other day, sadly they would not sell it.
CHARizard said:
I think I am buying a 2024 Chevy Equinox RS.
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Are you an American? If so just wait until the economy crashes. I noticed recently a lot of newer (read: within 5-7 years) vehicles going up as for sale locally due to people with outstanding loans or other financial issues.
 
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I think I am buying a 2024 Chevy Equinox RS.

It ticks all my boxes, I rented one last year and used for a week and liked it, and its affordable. The RS trim is around $30K where I am at and I am seeing it go lower. The backseat is spacious so it will be great for 2 carseats, and it has enough trunk space for a small roadtrip. AWD for snowy weather, heated seats, 360 camera, all the bells and whistles I am looking for.

I wanted a Subaru Outback but I hate the infotainment system, everything is controlled by a touch screen.

Feel free to call me retarded since I am weeks away from pulling the trigger on this, but it seems like enough bang for my buck to break my no US cars rule. Check engine light just came on AGAIN for my 12 year old VW Golf that I have beaten to shit, and the family needs a larger car so even if its not a great time to buy I will probably need something soon.
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Do note that the 2024 Equinox still has the old 6-speed auto, while the 2025 one has a CVT (GROSS) for FWD ones, and an 8-speed auto for AWD ones. I have heard some horror stories about Subaru's CVTs (even though Nissan CVTs are much much worse), but I'm not sure if Subaru fixed those said issues.

And is it still a thing that you can negotiate on US brand cars to get a lower purchase price for them, compared to the Japanese, European, and Korean brands?
 
anklyscr said:
talking about new cars and progress the new M5 just dropped and somehow it's bigger , heavier and slower than the outgoing model
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Remember when those used to come with a V10 and they looked better? Sure, they're faster now, but those 90's models with the V10 were special. Though I am intrigued by the M5 Touring. A type of car I've wanted for a long time is a fast, sporty hatchback. Something like the Audi RS 6 Avant. What do you all think of those types of cars?

Since I'm not all that much of a car guy, can one of you please explain to me why full size trucks cost more than some luxury automobiles now?! When the fuck did that happen?
 
Dean Pentel said:
Remember when those used to come with a V10 and they looked better? Sure, they're faster now, but those 90's models with the V10 were special. Though I am intrigued by the M5 Touring. A type of car I've wanted for a long time is a fast, sporty hatchback. Something like the Audi RS 6 Avant. What do you all think of those types of cars?

Since I'm not all that much of a car guy, can one of you please explain to me why full size trucks cost more than some luxury automobiles now?! When the fuck did that happen?
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It's been a thing for quite some time now. Business writeoffs make for badass trucks.

The base price increases though, that's gotta be some profit padding. Especially Ram.
 
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The only good CVTs are in helicopters, and even then they're fairly shitty
 
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The only good CVTs are in helicopters, and even then they're fairly shitty
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Worst cvt I've ever been in is Nissan when I first started my old job I got a Altima 2.5 as a work car.

I legitimately threatened to destroy it so many times and kill myself in the process they gave me an allowance to get something else.

It's not as bad in the 3.5 but holy shit an underpowered CVT of poor quality is peak suffering.
 
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