US "We are f***ed": Democrats despair over Biden debate performance

From CNN's Kasie Hunt
24 min ago

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Biden speaks during the CNN Presidential Debate on Thursday. John Nowak/CNN

Democrats are despairing over President Joe Biden’s debate performance Thursday night, a showing so halting some even privately raised questions about whether he should remain the party’s nominee.

Biden appeared onstage with a soft, halting voice and an open-mouthed, staring look. He struggled to finish thoughts at points, and ceded ground on issues like abortion where Democrats have an edge.

It took just minutes for Democrats to realize how bad it was becoming.

“Biden looks and sounds terrible. He’s incoherent,” one Democrat who spent time working in the Biden administration said.

“Horrific,” said another Democratic operative.

And one Democrat who’s worked on campaigns up and down the ballot said simply: “We are f***ed.”

The looming question as the debate came to a close was almost existential: Should someone else top the Democratic ticket?

“It’s hard to argue that Biden should be our nominee,” said an operative who’s worked on campaigns at all levels for over a decade.

This debate was historic for many reasons, but not least because it is taking place before each man is formally nominated at their respective conventions. The Democratic National Convention is set to convene August 19 in Chicago.

Democrats have spent much of the past year handwringing about Biden’s chances of beating Trump in an election many view as an existential one that will decide the very survival of American democracy. But Biden himself was determined to be the one to take on Trump, at one point even saying directly: “If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running.”

No serious Democratic challengers stepped up to run against Biden, and at this point in the campaign he’d have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.

Democrats were even talking about who it might be instead: “If I was Gavin (Newsom) or Gretchen (Whitmer), I’d be making calls tonight,” one said.

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Doesn’t the reaction and panic of Dems prove that the election is NOT rigged?

If Dems were skilled enough to rig elections and get away with it, a bad debate performance would be irrelevant.
The point of rigging something effectively is to make it believeable enough. This is just like casinos, they are all rigged to make it so that the house always wins in the end, but the odds are close enough to being fair that people are able to overlook that fact and believe that they have a chance. If the guy that fumbled some debates and won some others wins with 55% of the votes, the average person that doesn't exactly remember how those debates went will be able to buy it, if that same guy stutters, falls off the stairs, looks more senile than your grandma and is almost 20 years due for a retirement then wins while 2/3rds of the people from your day-to-day life tell you that they voted for the other guy, then it gets quite hard to rig it
 
You morons had 4 years to find a replacement for Biden, the fact that you never bothered to actually do this makes me think you were never serious about beating Trump.

How up their own asses are democrats if they didn't think this is how the debate would go?
These are not very smart people.

Thing is, I'm not even sure I agree that this was a calculated attempt by CNN to get Biden removed. I think that CNN and Biden's people really are just that stupid that they think this wouldn't be the inevitable result
 
The whole idea about Biden volunteering to step down.
Jill would have to approve of that and she will never do that.

That is not even considering that Jill and Kamala hate eachother with a passion and this would basically
be asking Jill to "have Joe step down and make the woman you hate the most in the entire world become the first female president ever".
Yeah, Nah.
 
The point of rigging something effectively is to make it believeable enough. This is just like casinos, they are all rigged to make it so that the house always wins in the end, but the odds are close enough to being fair that people are able to overlook that fact and believe that they have a chance. If the guy that fumbled some debates and won some others wins with 55% of the votes, the average person that doesn't exactly remember how those debates went will be able to buy it, if that same guy stutters, falls off the stairs, looks more senile than your grandma and is almost 20 years due for a retirement then wins while 2/3rds of the people from your day-to-day life tell you that they voted for the other guy, then it gets quite hard to rig it
This is the crux of the matter. This is the exact reason the establishment is shitting in their pants like Biden.
 
The whole idea about Biden volunteering to step down.
Jill would have to approve of that and she will never do that.

That is not even considering that Jill and Kamala hate eachother with a passion and this would basically
be asking Jill to "have Joe step down and make the woman you hate the most in the entire world become the first female president ever".
Yeah, Nah.
Oh no! Hunter lost his dad and step mom in a fiery unfortunate car crash! Police say Jill let Joe take the corvette out for a spin after the big win tonight.
 
Biden has been the figurehead puppet for the last 3 years, I see no reason why he's unqualified to be the figurehead puppet for another four. Does America want four more years of Trump or four more years of Obama? That's the real question.
Every so often I remember that we're THIS close to the Kamala Harris presidency and I shudder. I wouldn't feel comfortable having that woman run an elementary school let alone the country.
 
It’s too bad it wasn’t two term generally well liked Vice President Joe Biden’s turn to run for the Democrats in 2016. If that year had been his turn, Democrats would have probably just beaten Trump and we wouldn’t now live in a clown world. Biden could have run for his second term in 2020 against the most bland conventional Republican of all time. Oh well it was the secretary of state’s turn for some reason.
 
It’s too bad it wasn’t two term generally well liked Vice President Joe Biden’s turn to run for the Democrats in 2016. If that year had been his turn, Democrats would have probably just beaten Trump and we wouldn’t now live in a clown world. Biden could have run for his second term in 2020 against the most bland conventional Republican of all time. Oh well it was the secretary of state’s turn for some reason.
He could have pulled a Bush Senior, to be honest, I don't know why he didn't try to
 
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