US "We are f***ed": Democrats despair over Biden debate performance

From CNN's Kasie Hunt
24 min ago

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Biden speaks during the CNN Presidential Debate on Thursday. John Nowak/CNN

Democrats are despairing over President Joe Biden’s debate performance Thursday night, a showing so halting some even privately raised questions about whether he should remain the party’s nominee.

Biden appeared onstage with a soft, halting voice and an open-mouthed, staring look. He struggled to finish thoughts at points, and ceded ground on issues like abortion where Democrats have an edge.

It took just minutes for Democrats to realize how bad it was becoming.

“Biden looks and sounds terrible. He’s incoherent,” one Democrat who spent time working in the Biden administration said.

“Horrific,” said another Democratic operative.

And one Democrat who’s worked on campaigns up and down the ballot said simply: “We are f***ed.”

The looming question as the debate came to a close was almost existential: Should someone else top the Democratic ticket?

“It’s hard to argue that Biden should be our nominee,” said an operative who’s worked on campaigns at all levels for over a decade.

This debate was historic for many reasons, but not least because it is taking place before each man is formally nominated at their respective conventions. The Democratic National Convention is set to convene August 19 in Chicago.

Democrats have spent much of the past year handwringing about Biden’s chances of beating Trump in an election many view as an existential one that will decide the very survival of American democracy. But Biden himself was determined to be the one to take on Trump, at one point even saying directly: “If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running.”

No serious Democratic challengers stepped up to run against Biden, and at this point in the campaign he’d have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.

Democrats were even talking about who it might be instead: “If I was Gavin (Newsom) or Gretchen (Whitmer), I’d be making calls tonight,” one said.

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Well, there is one way....
25th would be an immediate loss in the election, there's no way you come back from making your entire party looking like such a mess that the VP and Executive offices have to remove the President. That's why they're really insistent on Biden just refusing the nomination. Doesn't look good for the President to decline running again but it's nothing compared to being legally compelled by your own people to step down.
 
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Can the democrats even get someone else on the ballet on time if Biden drops out? I thought some states deadlines were already up lol
IIRC most states have ballot access deadlines for the November election sometime in August, their deadline to swap him out is effectively the party convention.
It amazes me some people think this debate was all a coordinated conspiracy to replace Biden. What we're seeing is not people with a plan. This is pure panic.
Coordinated conspiracy? No. Final test before the party heads have to have a heart to heart with Joe and tell him he's going to fuck everything up? Yes.
 
Can the democrats even get someone else on the ballet on time if Biden drops out? I thought some states deadlines were already up lol
I think that's just the primary ballot deadlines. The party conventions where they officially pick the candidates haven't even happened yet, so definitely not too late to get someone on the November ballot.
 
Notable: this is the earliest Presidential debate (not primary) ever. Giving them more time to deal with the fallout.
That, or they're banking on being able to say they did (technically) debate Trump, but it was so long ago it doesn't really stand in the voter's mind 5 months from now
 
The democrat party can do whatever they want, they don't necessarily have to pick the the incumbent as their candidate. Of course before now we didn't have a corpse president so there was never really a situation where a party wouldn't pick their incumbent as their candidate. So the democrat party could just pick someone else and tell Biden to either drop out or run as an independent.
You may have missed this but they have picked him already, this is from march

President Joe Biden clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, NBC News projects, winning a majority of the necessary delegates and setting up what is expected to be a bitter, closely contested rematch with Donald Trump.

The outcome had never been much in doubt. Biden faced token opposition as the party’s biggest names — Govs. Gavin Newsom of California and Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan among them — opted to sit out the race rather than challenge a sitting president who had already beaten Trump once.

 
they should have just done this for 2024, have trump deal with the economic fallout of covid, have him take the fall for it have it so his cult of personality falls and he can't run again. having biden win 2020 was grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory
I don't understand the point you're making here, you can only have the presidency for two terms, 2020 would've been Trump's second term, so he would've filled out the maximum possible amount of time for a presidential candidate.

Ronald Reagan oversaw the AIDS epidemic, said "they deserve it" and still has a cult of personality to this day. AIDS is a death sentence, Covid is significantly less deadly, do you really think that would cost Trump his cult of personality?

This also goes without mentioning all the other policies that would've continued moving forward, like the Keystone pipeline and the border wall, had Trump remained president to 2024. If anything, Covid would've been more like a speedbump in his administration than a death knell. The economy overall would be stronger right now were Trump still in office.
 
It amazes me some people think this debate was all a coordinated conspiracy to replace Biden. What we're seeing is not people with a plan. This is pure panic.
I don’t think it’s a coordinated conspiracy, I think it’s the MSM faction going off the plantation and betraying the DNC and Biden’s inner circle.

The MSM only ever reluctantly backed Biden, they are not loyal to him, they are retarded proggy true believers who genuinely think that their blue shithole mayors and governors stand a better chance of winning the election than Biden.

The DNC’s goal is to have the DNC stay in power. They are not loyal to Biden, but they have enough political sense to know that Biden is their only hope of winning so they’re ride or die with him.

Biden’s inner circle led by DOCTOR Jill is literally the only camp that is actually invested in Biden in particular staying in power, and they consist mostly of retarded diversity hires with no political sense at all, who probably all genuinely believed that the MSM and the DNC all loved Biden.

CNN essentially pulled a bait and switch and hoodwinked everyone (including us here) into believing that they’d run the usual media clown show.
 
One of my favorite things is watching the beliefs of religious fanatics shatter. People in the liberal cult went into this debate actually thinking that Biden is fine, he can go four more years, he will wipe the floor the felonious Trump.

Within the first 5 minutes their view of reality collapsed. By the end of the debate they must have been in shock. I can only imagine the rollercoaster of despair they went through watching the man they love make a complete fool of himself for the whole world to see. This really is both the worst and best election year in the history of the country.
 
Democrats panic as Biden stumbles in bad-tempered debate with Trump
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By Lauren Fedor, Demetri Sevastopulo, James Fontanella-Khan, and Joshua Chaffin
2024-06-28 12:37:20GMT
Top Democrats have called on Joe Biden to halt his bid for re-election after his stumbling performance in the presidential debate with Donald Trump reignited concerns about the 81-year-old president’s age and fitness for office.

Speaking with a raspy voice on Thursday night, Biden repeatedly tripped over his words and gave rambling answers or appeared to lose his train of thought, while Trump accused him of being the worst president in US history.

The debate was a high-stakes opportunity for Biden to allay widespread concerns about his age before a television audience of tens of millions of American voters. But one Democratic lawmaker said Biden’s performance had sparked extensive panic on Capitol Hill.

“Many House Democrats tonight, representing a wide cross-section of the Democratic caucus, were privately texting one another that Biden needs to announce he’s decided not to run for re-election. We need a new nominee,” the lawmaker said.

“Biden needs to do the patriotic thing and step aside. We need an open convention, which would excite the American people unlike anything we have ever seen.”

One Democratic party insider said after the debate that there was a “higher level of panic than I’ve seen or thought possible”.

“He confirmed our worst fears,” said another.

Mike Johnson, the Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives, said that the Democrats were “in panic for very good reason”. He added that the party was now “forced to say openly what they have known for quite some time: Joe Biden cannot be the president in the next term”.

David Axelrod, a one-time senior adviser to former president Barack Obama, said on CNN that Biden had scored points on some policy matters, but added: “There are going to be discussions about whether he should continue.”

Obama’s ex-campaign manager David Plouffe described it as a “DEFCON 1 moment”, referring to the label for the highest alert level for US armed forces.

“It really pains me to say this,” he told MSNBC. “[Biden and Trump] are three years apart. They seemed about 30 years apart tonight. That is going to be the thing that voters really wrestle with.”

But Biden seemed undeterred, telling reporters at a late-night stop at a Waffle House restaurant in Atlanta: “I think we did well.”

Asked about calls for him to step aside, and whether he had any concerns about his debate performance, Biden — who said he had a “sore throat” — replied: “No. It’s hard to debate a liar.”

The Biden team had pushed for an unprecedented early presidential debate in June, more than four months before November’s election, in an attempt to reinvigorate the president’s flailing campaign and remind voters why they chose him over Trump in 2020.

But the calculation backfired, as Biden did little to reassure the overwhelming majority of voters who polls indicate are concerned he is too old for another four years in the White House.

In one rambling answer early in the debate, Biden appeared to lose track of what he was saying: “Making sure that we continue to . . . strengthen our healthcare system, making sure that we are able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I have been able to do with the Covid, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do . . . look, if we finally beat Medicare.”

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Joe Biden‘s team pushed for an early presidential debate in June in an attempt to reinvigorate the president’s flailing campaign © Justin Sullivan/Getty Images

The Biden campaign later announced that Thursday had been its single biggest day for grassroots, or small-dollar, donations since the president launched his re-election bid.

But big-dollar Democratic donors were raising alarm bells after the debate.

“When I last saw him he wasn’t great but definitely more coherent than in tonight’s debate,” one dealmaker said. “I’m not sure there is an alternative at the moment but if there ever was a chance to change things up it’s now.”

Dmitri Mehlhorn, a Democratic strategist and adviser to prominent donor Reid Hoffman, wrote that Biden “had a horrible night, cementing concerns about his age, his greatest electoral weakness”, according to a letter seen by the FT.

In one of the debate’s exchanges on abortion rights, which has proven to be a winning electoral issue for Democrats in the past two years, Biden pivoted instead to illegal immigration, an electoral weakness for his party.

Kyle Kondik, a non-partisan analyst at the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics, said: “If people were concerned about Biden’s age, I don’t think he did anything to ameliorate those concerns.”

“I would imagine there is going to be a lot of bedwetting [among Democrats] after this debate,” Kondik added.

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Donald Trump repeated many of the false claims that have become a hallmark of his bid for another four years in the White House © Justin Sullivan/Getty Images

Still, many high-profile Democrats publicly defended the president after Thursday’s debate. Gavin Newsom, the California governor widely seen as a future presidential candidate, told MSNBC the questions about whether Biden should stay on as the nominee were “unhelpful” and “unnecessary”.

“We have got to have the back of this president. You don’t turn your back because of one performance. What kind of party does that?”

Trump, 78, is not much younger than Biden, but appeared comfortable on Thursday night as he tore into the president, and in many cases repeated the false, outlandish claims that have become a hallmark of his own bid for another four years in the White House.

“He’s not equipped to be president. You know it and I know it,” Trump said at one point, in reference to Biden.

The current president’s answers became steadier as the 90-minute debate wore on. Asked by CNN moderator Dana Bash whether he was too old to be president, Biden replied: “This guy is three years younger and a lot less competent . . . just look at the record. Look at what I’ve done. Look at how I’ve turned around the horrible situation he left me.”

In some testy exchanges, Biden tried to portray Trump as unfit for office, referring to his criminal convictions and myriad legal troubles. “The only person on this stage that’s a convicted felon is the man I’m looking at right now,” he said.

Trump continues to lead Biden in most national and swing state polls, despite being found guilty of 34 criminal charges by a New York jury last month. The former president is facing three additional criminal trials, including two cases relating to his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

Trump repeatedly dodged moderators’ questions on Thursday night about whether he would accept the results of this year’s election. Asked a third time, the former president replied: “If it’s a fair and legal and good election, absolutely.”

This really is both the worst and best election year in the history of the country.
Even better, we've still got four months to go!
 
It amazes me some people think this debate was all a coordinated conspiracy to replace Biden. What we're seeing is not people with a plan. This is pure panic.
The DNC had a plan, and that was to continue covering up Joe's feebleness until he literally dropped dead. CNN decided, for whatever reason, to rip the bandaid off last night.
 
You may have missed this but they have picked him already, this is from march



Delegates function exactly the same in primaries as they do in the electoral college: they are ostensibly pledged to a candidate but they can ultimately vote however they want at the delegation, that's where all those cope articles about how the electoral voters could just not vote for Trump during the 2016 election came from. At the same time, a presidential candidate could technically refuse the nomination even if he does get the votes.
 
The rumor mill is that if Obama, Clinton (Bill, not Hilldawg), Pelosi and Schumer all told him to drop out he'd override Jill and step down. She's the one blowing smoke up his ass and telling him he's the best Democrat since FDR and should run for reelection.
I'm not sure what she gets, personally, out of it, she hasn't been a super active and respected First Lady.
There is a great fictionalized (?) version of this story that someone will tell in the years to come.
 
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