US "We are f***ed": Democrats despair over Biden debate performance

From CNN's Kasie Hunt
24 min ago

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Biden speaks during the CNN Presidential Debate on Thursday. John Nowak/CNN

Democrats are despairing over President Joe Biden’s debate performance Thursday night, a showing so halting some even privately raised questions about whether he should remain the party’s nominee.

Biden appeared onstage with a soft, halting voice and an open-mouthed, staring look. He struggled to finish thoughts at points, and ceded ground on issues like abortion where Democrats have an edge.

It took just minutes for Democrats to realize how bad it was becoming.

“Biden looks and sounds terrible. He’s incoherent,” one Democrat who spent time working in the Biden administration said.

“Horrific,” said another Democratic operative.

And one Democrat who’s worked on campaigns up and down the ballot said simply: “We are f***ed.”

The looming question as the debate came to a close was almost existential: Should someone else top the Democratic ticket?

“It’s hard to argue that Biden should be our nominee,” said an operative who’s worked on campaigns at all levels for over a decade.

This debate was historic for many reasons, but not least because it is taking place before each man is formally nominated at their respective conventions. The Democratic National Convention is set to convene August 19 in Chicago.

Democrats have spent much of the past year handwringing about Biden’s chances of beating Trump in an election many view as an existential one that will decide the very survival of American democracy. But Biden himself was determined to be the one to take on Trump, at one point even saying directly: “If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running.”

No serious Democratic challengers stepped up to run against Biden, and at this point in the campaign he’d have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.

Democrats were even talking about who it might be instead: “If I was Gavin (Newsom) or Gretchen (Whitmer), I’d be making calls tonight,” one said.

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My Boomer lib parents mostly get weepy about the election and don't want to talk about it. I'm doing my best to bite my tongue because I know we disagree, and I still love them, but Mom lost her shit over the NYT finally turning on Biden yesterday and is panicking about right wing death squads next winter. Dad's clinging hardcore onto the "he just had a cold" cope.
Hitting the point where your parents start looking like flawed human beings instead of heroes is rough.
My parents are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, we're all right wing. Although they, especially Mom, wouldn't be able to handle the raw kek power of this site. I just can't stand listening to their constant dooming about Orwell and Amerika with a K n shiet.
 
Take all of his blunders, and then realize that's the least pathetic candidate the DNC could put forward.
Also, a lot of potential replacements know they're just that, a replacement, that they'd be stepping into an administration that already works without the Chief Executive's input and they'd be expected to just continue being those people's puppet. A better-looking one that didn't shit itself, babble about Corn Pop and fall over so much, for optics sake, but a puppet nonetheless.

They're all thinking "Shit, if I'm good enough for the establishment to be an emergency placeholder President, maybe I'll just wait 4 -8 years and run fresh for myself without having to step into someone else's mess?"

Also, consider that a LOT of the old guard you'd be beholden to as a "D" in the Oval Office right now doesn't have all that long to live, both metaphorically and literally, they're all old farts and the welfare/diversity state they spent their lives building is rapidly crumbling around them. they all will inevitably "retire" 4 steps ahead of The Reaper these next few years, why take a fall for them? You know they'll pin the failure of Utopia to come out of their leadership on you. Especially when a lot of their most destructive policies vis-a-vis economy and social justice were motivated by a vain desire to leave a positive legacy as having solved racism and inequity?
 
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Hitting the point where your parents start looking like flawed human beings instead of heroes is rough.
That happened for me a long time ago, it never gets easier. Regardless of one's disagreements with parents, the DNC is morally bankrupt and this is just further proof of that.

As bad as it sounds to switch him out at this point in time, it's going to be much harder to deal with the consequences of not acting upon it.

Donald Trump might be morally bankrupt as well, but he's not Adolf Hitler or anything. Plus he seems to at least be functional to some degree, but we really need to stop putting clueless geriatrics in charge of the country.
 
The fact that bright lights needed to be installed into the podiums to give this demented retard clues when and when not to talk should have been a clear indicator this was going to be a train wreck. Even better question, why 2 lights?! Keep it simple you stupid fucks, 1 light! Jesus, the best part of this was watching that pedo faggot Vaush recoil in agony watching his braindead candidate mindlessly ramble about nothing. How Boomers even believe in this rigged shit system anymore is astounding.
 
It's too late for the Dems to change candidate now. The normal thing would be to swap Biden out for Kamala but she simply ceased to exist after inauguration day 4 years ago because she'd served her purpose of making the old white man more palatable to Democrat voters.

Seriously, i'm not in the US and she has literally never been in the news internationally for anything during her entire VP term. Even liberal news outlets gave up in her once they realised that she wouldn't be having weekly twerk-parties on the front lawn of the White House because she's a successful black person, not a hoodrat-done-good like they prefer.

Trump is going to win handily and do fuck all for his term, the same as last time. We'll get some good memes out of it at least.

Kamala Harris pays tribute to late John McCain in Hanoi​


By Huyen Le, Phan Anh August 25, 2021 | 01:45 am PT

Kamala Harris pays tribute to late John McCain in Hanoi

U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris pays tribute to late Senator John McCain at a memorial at Hanoi's Truc Bach Lake, August 25, 2021. Photo by AFP
Visiting U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris paid floral tributes to late Senator John McCain at a memorial in Hanoi Wednesday.
Harris offered a bouquet at the monument that marks McCain’s capture after he bailed out into the Truc Bach Lake in 1967 during the Vietnam War; and spent the next five and a half years as a POW in the Hoa Lo prison.
Wednesday marked McCain's third death anniversary. He died August 25, 2018, having spent his final year battling brain cancer, which was diagnosed in 2017.
Harris said at the memorial that McCain was a hero and she was glad to have had the opportunity to work with him in the U.S. Senate.
Harris arrived in Hanoi late Tuesday night on a three-day (August 24-26) visit to Vietnam at the invitation of her Vietnamese counterpart Vo Thi Anh Xuan, marking the first trip to Vietnam by a sitting U.S. Vice President.
She met with PM Pham Minh Chinh after being received by Vietnamese President Nguyen Xuan Phuc and Vice President Xuan Wednesday morning. In her meetings, Harris reaffirmed the U.S.'s support for a strong, independent and prosperous Vietnam that could continue on the path of innovation and expanded international integration as it assumed an increasingly important role in the region.
I'm not sure the Vietnamese took the same view of John McCain
 
Another question, or more of a thought I suppose. Biden has been a shell for a long time. That means that he’s probably had very little co trip or input for a while. He must have had some or the whole hunter/ukraine shit wouldn’t have happened but that seems to me to be the later stages of a corruption that’s been going on a while.
The only real takeaway from that is that the US presidency has been run by an unelected set of people who are using Biden as a figurehead to do whatever they like, for the past four years.
Now I know that the president is mainly a figurehead, I’m not daft. I know that one presidents wife ran the whole thing for a while as well. But I think the scale of this has been different. I also think it will have enabled some very very unpleasant things going on. Dodgy deals, corruption, all sorts of stuff simply because ‘the big man’ was totally absent,
 
I was reading the David Samuels article that @General Emílio Médici posted in the US politics general thread and discussing it with someone and I mentioned to her that Obama only became governor (EDIT: senator) through sheer chance and fucking Star Trek.

This is the article BTW, a fascinating look at Obama as a person compared to another american black that gets made into a messianic figure: MLK.

David Samuels Interviews MLK Biographer David Garrow on Barack Obama

The conclusions are pretty fucking damning for Obama. The biographer states that [paraphrased] "MLK was a person, Obama is more of a made up character for a book" and he is a bit freaked out and spooked by it. The opening itself is pretty fucking hard: the biographer tracked down the white woman who Obama almost married to ask her about some details of their relationship and how they broke up.

In Obama's telling, they broke up because of a eventual disagreement over "systemic racism" and the fact that Obama was a fan of "race consciousness" for blacks while his gf was a bland "all lives matter" liberal white who wanted to move past color.

In her description of the episode? Obama refused to condemn black racism and antisemitism and trying to whatabout it, following a visit to a Adolf Eichmann trial exhibition during a time where Chicago was having a big drama over a black guy in the City Hall with Nation of Islam ties having accused a heeb doctor of deliberately infecting black babies with AIDS.
 
Another question, or more of a thought I suppose. Biden has been a shell for a long time. That means that he’s probably had very little co trip or input for a while. He must have had some or the whole hunter/ukraine shit wouldn’t have happened but that seems to me to be the later stages of a corruption that’s been going on a while.
The only real takeaway from that is that the US presidency has been run by an unelected set of people who are using Biden as a figurehead to do whatever they like, for the past four years.
Now I know that the president is mainly a figurehead, I’m not daft. I know that one presidents wife ran the whole thing for a while as well. But I think the scale of this has been different. I also think it will have enabled some very very unpleasant things going on. Dodgy deals, corruption, all sorts of stuff simply because ‘the big man’ was totally absent,
EDIT: I’m too retarded to cross-link posts but the article in the post above mine is the article I refer to in this post.

The rough outline is that other than one previous US President (edit2: Woodrow Wilson stayed in DC after his presidency but only due to health issues), almost every other former president has done the “gentlemanly thing” and moved away from Washington D.C. after their presidency…except for Obama.

His official excuse was that him and Michael wanted to be close to Sasha while she finishes her schooling at wherever the fuck in that general area, but there’s also some corroborating evidence of DNC big-wigs and Biden staffers going to Obama’s DC-area house in the last several years for all kinds of hush-hush meetings. In that article they even mention a quote of Obama’s from when he was on Colbert where Obama says (paraphrasing) that he’d be thrilled with being the “man behind the curtain” talking into the earpiece of someone else who’s president in name only, while Obama is hanging out at home in his basement in his sweatpants secretly running the show, “because he loved the work (behind the scenes stuff)”.

I’m criminally retarded so I could be leaving more important details out or I might have missed other important details but there’s a good chance that Obama was just puppeting Biden for the last four years and that’s one of the main reasons he was still living in DC after the Obama presidency. Also worth mentioning is how many of Biden’s staffers and cabinet are just Obama-era people that glommed onto Biden’s presidency.
 
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The rough outline is that other than one previous US President, almost every other former president has done the “gentlemanly thing” and moved away from Washington D.C. after their presidency…except for Obama.
And yet, he's been the most rapidly-irrelevant ex-President of my lifetime despite living in the epicenter of it all. Even if he is running the show from his basement War Room - he's got a good reason to maintain plausible deniability considering how tits-up it's all gone.

Bush I was still a "in the news" personality until his health got too poor.

Slick Willie had reporters following him for 25 years and would still be making front-page news had he not been exiled for the sake of not outshining Her Turn (tm).

Bush II had a hard few years, but, eventually, after McCain died, he was anointed the new leader-in-exile of the REAL Republicans.

But Obama? Vaporized by comparison.....

I really think he hung around because he was setting himself up to reap the rewards of a long line of Progressive Presidents following in "his" blazed trail. Planning to spend the next 30 years giving himself medals and congratulatory speeches on his instrumental part in turning America into a proper progressive state like Europe, or Canada. With no "Plan B" should any of that, you know? Not happen.
 
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Another question, or more of a thought I suppose. Biden has been a shell for a long time. That means that he’s probably had very little co trip or input for a while. He must have had some or the whole hunter/ukraine shit wouldn’t have happened but that seems to me to be the later stages of a corruption that’s been going on a while.
The only real takeaway from that is that the US presidency has been run by an unelected set of people who are using Biden as a figurehead to do whatever they like, for the past four years.
Now I know that the president is mainly a figurehead, I’m not daft. I know that one presidents wife ran the whole thing for a while as well. But I think the scale of this has been different. I also think it will have enabled some very very unpleasant things going on. Dodgy deals, corruption, all sorts of stuff simply because ‘the big man’ was totally absent,
Congratulations Otterly you’ve figured it out! Voting never mattered because our real leaders are nameless and faceless.
 
And yet, he's been the most rapidly-irrelevant ex-President of my lifetime despite living in the epicenter of it all. Even if he is running the show from his basement War Room - he's got a good reason to maintain plausible deniability considering how tits-up it's all gone.

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I really think he hung around because he was setting himself up to reap the rewards of a long line of Progressive Presidents following in "his" blazed trail. Planning to spend the next 30 years giving himself medals and congratulatory speeches on his instrumental part in turning America into a proper progressive state like Europe, or Canada. With no "Plan B" should any of that, you know? Not happen.
He wanted to, quote, "fundamentally change the United States." Make of that what you will.
 
Too bad he got the Monkey Paw version of that.....
The US population really is blessed by God. JFK stole an election and look what happened to him. Same for bush jr. Stole the 2000 election and got 9/11 in his lap. Obama tried to interfere in the 2016 election. Obamas legacy is falling apart and Joe is dragging him down with the ship. Israel got October 7th and somehow managed to turn that into worldwide jew hatred, to the points where seething hordes of arabs are roaming campus looking for jews.

Don't fuck with the vote. It goes poorly.
 
The US population really is blessed by God. JFK stole an election and look what happened to him. Same for bush jr. Stole the 2000 election and got 9/11 in his lap. Obama tried to interfere in the 2016 election. Obamas legacy is falling apart and Joe is dragging him down with the ship. Israel got October 7th and somehow managed to turn that into worldwide jew hatred, to the points where seething hordes of arabs are roaming campus looking for jews.

Don't fuck with the vote. It goes poorly.
So does this mean that the prosecution in the New York Donald Trump hush money case is going to get struck by lightning in the near future?
 
Same for bush jr. Stole the 2000 election and got 9/11 in his lap
I hate Bush Jr but he didn't steal the 2000 election. Democrats are just sore losers.

Also he clearly orchestrated 9/11 so this wasn't really a negative for him. He got exactly what he wanted: expanded powers for the state under the guise of 'emergency' and perpetual wars for profit in the Middle East under the guise of 'national security'
So does this mean that the prosecution in the New York Donald Trump hush money case is going to get struck by lightning in the near future?
Depending on how SCOTUS rule they could set it up to invalidate the entire conviction.
 
I don't know. I think they genuinely believed their own hype.
I am convinced that the majority of (lower level) dems didn't know this was going to happen and that Biden really did suffer from mental decline. I think some very big wigs in MSM\Legacy media (with some Dem elites being aware) pulled the rug from underneath Biden and his camp on purpose in an attempt to help ensure a Trump victory in order to salvage ratings and bleeding. All the media companies turning on him immediately is too suspisious. It may very well be a stand-alone complex, but CNN definately wanted this and probably had a couple other groups in the know to start it off. They didn't NEED to do the debate at this time, they chose to do so on purpose.
 
Man, I'm suddenly appreciative that my parents are sane enough to talk politics with.

I told my dad today that it's Joever. He thought it was pretty funny.
In my family I am the dad.
Me and my adult sons are running a bet on WHEN Biden will fully snap back to childhood and scream Nigger at someone on live TV.
Closest guess wins the pool.

We are having the best time of our lives. Thankyou Biden for the laughs. 4 more years!
 
Someone was asking earlier in the thread "are democrats really so delusional they thought Biden was okay up until now?" I can only speak for myself but every liberal friend I have knew he was gone mentally. Even my 60 year old father who is a vote blue no matter who would watch and laugh at the SNL skits about him being demented. They voted for him because he isn't Trump.
 
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