TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

[30+GameOvers]

WTF? How the hell do these niggas pull this shit off?

She has a vagina and there are still a lot of desperate simps who think they can have her. Nobody ever viewed her content for her actual talent, not even at her "peak".

 

[fremenchips]

Lindsay has always had a lot of loyal simps who stick with her no matter what. A lot of guys go for the “girl next door” look because they think they’re more attainable. She hates them, of course. They won’t buy her books though but they pay to look at her, not to read what she says.

I think it's her/ her publishers not realizing that what she produced was fundamentally different from a book. Everywhere online people talk about watching video essays as background noise while doing something else. That's the product Lindsay is good at making for her audience, one that requires little investment. A book on the other hand wether it's a physical book or audiobook requires you to pay attention or you'll have no idea what's going on and put it down in frustration . That level of investment the overwhelming majority of her viewers are unwilling to make.

 

[Boston Brand]

I think it's her/ her publishers not realizing that what she produced was fundamentally different from a book. Everywhere online people talk about watching video essays as background noise while doing something else. That's the product Lindsay is good at making for her audience, one that requires little investment. A book on the other hand wether it's a physical book or audiobook requires you to pay attention or you'll have no idea what's going on and put it down in frustration . That level of investment the overwhelming majority of her viewers are unwilling to make.

A ton of publishers made that mistake.

They saw people on Twitter or YouTube with millions of followers, signed them to book deals thinking the audience will follow, and they almost never do.

Worse, they typically bankroll these books the same unsustainable way they do books for celebrities or politicians, so they get big advances and massive print runs, and are thus even larger failures.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I think it's her/ her publishers not realizing that what she produced was fundamentally different from a book. Everywhere online people talk about watching video essays as background noise while doing something else. That's the product Lindsay is good at making for her audience, one that requires little investment. A book on the other hand wether it's a physical book or audiobook requires you to pay attention or you'll have no idea what's going on and put it down in frustration . That level of investment the overwhelming majority of her viewers are unwilling to make.

I've said before she would have been better off transitioning to documentarian for Netflix or Hulu, but that's not what she wanted to be. And she assumed she could do it because she's been critiquing writing for so long, clearly she knows how to do it.

The problem is she wanted to make something she wanted to write, not what other people wanted to read. And it tanked because it's easier to get someone to click on a link to a YT video than get them to buy a book.

 

[grapeshark77]

I've said before she would have been better off transitioning to documentarian for Netflix or Hulu, but that's not what she wanted to be. And she assumed she could do it because she's been critiquing writing for so long, clearly she knows how to do it.

The problem is she wanted to make something she wanted to write, not what other people wanted to read. And it tanked because it's easier to get someone to click on a link to a YT video than get them to buy a book.

The fact that she has a Hulu credit - as "associate story producer" on four episodes of that Kardashians reality show - is funnier than anything we could say about her.

 

[Ninon42]

A ton of publishers made that mistake.

They saw people on Twitter or YouTube with millions of followers, signed them to book deals thinking the audience will follow, and they almost never do.

Worse, they typically bankroll these books the same unsustainable way they do books for celebrities or politicians, so they get big advances and massive print runs, and are thus even larger failures.

You'd think they would follow the Kardashian playbook of a big media blitz followed by a really small production run so they can say it was an instant sellout, went into second edition practically while the ink was still wet on the first one there was so much demand. Print just enough to get on some bestseller lists. It's better optics than rotting by the truckload in discounters AND feeds the egos of both the publisher and the influencer author.

 

[Titanium Vagina]

Lindsay has always had a lot of loyal simps who stick with her no matter what. A lot of guys go for the “girl next door” look because they think they’re more attainable. She hates them, of course. They won’t buy her books though but they pay to look at her, not to read what she says.

Is she considered good looking?

 

[Cisna H. Scumale]

They're anti-controversy libcuck/lefties so they won't be too scathing to Lindsay, but its an audio review (they've done book 1 & 2 years ago too.)

The takeaway I get from these guys is that they enjoy Lindsay's sci-fi intrigue and alien perspective with the space chicken and other aliens but they can't stand the politics and emo shit. I'll probably never read her books firsthand, but I wonder how anyone could relate or care for someone as whiny and mental as Cora, or what her end goal is going to be as character development if she's just going to be a black pit of despair.

 

[Random Internet Person]

They're anti-controversy libcuck/lefties so they won't be too scathing to Lindsay, but its an audio review (they've done book 1 & 2 years ago too.)

The takeaway I get from these guys is that they enjoy Lindsay's sci-fi intrigue and alien perspective with the space chicken and other aliens but they can't stand the politics and emo shit. I'll probably never read her books firsthand, but I wonder how anyone could relate or care for someone as whiny and mental as Cora, or what her end goal is going to be as character development if she's just going to be a black pit of despair.

Only thing I can think of in terms of character development is Cora being the biggest killjoy ever if not the “black hole of despair” (considering ITT folks have described her as being the “I’m the only one who understands this world is rotten” kind of nihilist) and realizing that there’s actually something in this world worth having and/or saving, no matter how shitty the world is.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I'll probably never read her books firsthand, but I wonder how anyone could relate or care for someone as whiny and mental as Cora, or what her end goal is going to be as character development if she's just going to be a black pit of despair.

It depends on what you read into the character. Harry Potter was an average jock yet it was nerds who loved him, many of whom it never occurred to that Harry playing Quidditch made him the equivalent of the star quarterback. And all the girls who loved Twilight because they related to Bella, not for who she was but for who they thought she was. These people probably read Cora and put themselves into it.

Oh, and I kept having issues uploading newer videos on bitchute because of file size restrictions, so I've decided to upload the older stuff I didn't have the first time around. Most of which is Lindsay's Nostalgia Chick vids in case anyone wanted to watch them.

 

[Cisna H. Scumale]

It depends on what you read into the character. Harry Potter was an average jock yet it was nerds who loved him, many of whom it never occurred to that Harry playing Quidditch made him the equivalent of the star quarterback. And all the girls who loved Twilight because they related to Bella, not for who she was but for who they thought she was. These people probably read Cora and put themselves into it.

So who would love Cora as a protag?

Depressed emos like Lindsay? Snobby, whining critics like Lindsay? Libtard SJW cancel culture hypocrites like Lindsay? Dogfucking white women?

All I get from Cora is that Lindsay needs a therapist for this obvious replication of her personal hangups, psyche and sexual fetishes.

 

[The Hardest R]

They're anti-controversy libcuck/lefties so they won't be too scathing to Lindsay, but its an audio review (they've done book 1 & 2 years ago too.)

The takeaway I get from these guys is that they enjoy Lindsay's sci-fi intrigue and alien perspective with the space chicken and other aliens but they can't stand the politics and emo shit. I'll probably never read her books firsthand, but I wonder how anyone could relate or care for someone as whiny and mental as Cora, or what her end goal is going to be as character development if she's just going to be a black pit of despair.

WTF is up with that facial expression on the video thumbnail?

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

They're anti-controversy libcuck/lefties so they won't be too scathing to Lindsay, but its an audio review (they've done book 1 & 2 years ago too.)

The takeaway I get from these guys is that they enjoy Lindsay's sci-fi intrigue and alien perspective with the space chicken and other aliens but they can't stand the politics and emo shit. I'll probably never read her books firsthand, but I wonder how anyone could relate or care for someone as whiny and mental as Cora, or what her end goal is going to be as character development if she's just going to be a black pit of despair.

Ellis doesn't understand audiences, I think. It sounds an odd thing to say given how she professes to be a media critic, but it appears inarguable. Her novel combines a variety of tropes from different genres which aren't usually seen together. This doesn't mean you have wider appeal, it means it is actually more narrow. See how that lady really likes the space chicken boyfriend stuff (I assume, I'm not watching the video) but finds the political thriller aspect and psychological exploration of Cora's character to be an unwanted diversion from that. Likewise, there are presumably people who are interested in the first contact/conspiracy element, but find Ampersand and Cora to be unbearable. It doesn't help that when one imagines a political thriller first contact story where the love interest is an alien bird robot, they presumably don't think of someone like Cora.

It's really reminiscent of Michael Bay's Transformers in how it mixes some stories of wildly differing ideas and tones (a boy and his first car, first contact story, giant robot war, "someone hacked the Pentagon" political techno-thriller) but understands that is is in the service of giving the audience a ridiculous thrill-ride where people are crazy and robots kill each other brutally. They're a writing mess but a visual spectacle which makes sense given that they're films. But most of it hangs off the audience's willingness to get behind Sam Witwicky and the fantasy of buying your first car and finding out it's a cool robot. No one dreams about being Cora Sabano who is a college dropout who can't hold down a steady job. Sam is an endearing tryhard, Cora is an entitled slacker. An issue many novice writers have is that they write stories that appeal only to themselves without considering who the audience they're trying to hook is, and I presume everyone involved with this novel presumed they didn't have to consider that because she has so many subscribers. They may have been right, too, if the book had actually been written well. Because regardless of that issue of not knowing who the ideal reader is, the word-by-word of the novel is some beige-colored cardboard-ass shit.

What's the percentage of books sold against her total Youtube subscribers? I feel like that would be really demoralizing.

 

[Ninon42]

What's the percentage of books sold against her total Youtube subscribers? I feel like that would be really demoralizing.

Lindsay currently has 1.21 M subs on her mostly dead YouTube channel. The last BookScan numbers from January 25, 2022 which were relevant for the first month or so of TotD's hardcover release had:

Axiom's End (Hardcover): 34736
Axiom's End (Paperback): 9814
Truth of the Divine (Hardcover): 11525

This doesn't include e-books, and it can be assumed that readers of the second book had already read the first so those are not unique sales. A fair assumed number of readers would seem to be 50000 or 4.13% of Lindsay's YouTube subscribers. Fewer than 1 in 20 bought the book, though for context she had at most around 12000 paypigs (usually around 9000) on Patreon representing about 1% of her total subs. So she was able to initially quadruple the number of financially invested fans with the book(s), but not hold their attention with the sequel. 0.75-1% of her subs are diehard and would buy anything with her name on it.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I’m just shocked to learn Ampersand is a chicken robot apparently.

@Three Gorillion Dollars I remember Michael Bay saying the Sam focus was because he didn’t want the film to just be a toy commercial, and I guess he managed to find a way to make it work, at least when the robots are on screen.

Everything I hear about Cora makes think 1. I’d really hate this chick and 2. I wonder if this is Lindsay’s self insert. And 3. If this is the Transformers knockoff people claim this is, what is her connection to this franchise and how deep does her love of it go?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

So who would love Cora as a protag?

Depressed emos like Lindsay? Snobby, whining critics like Lindsay? Libtard SJW cancel culture hypocrites like Lindsay? Dogfucking white women?

Pretty much, and it's sad but there are other women like her out there. But apparently not enough to buy her books, going by those numbers.

 

[Boston Brand]

We have our first month total print sales numbers!

Good news for Lindsay Ellis - she did NOT see another 80 percent drop between Book 2 and Book 3, as she had with Book 1 to Book 2.

It was only a 50 percent drop this time.

3,680 total physical sales as of the most recent numbers from Bookscan.

Her first month of release, and she barely brakes half of what Book 2 did in week 1.

The thing that's especially impressive - She actually did a national book tour and a lot of interviews and promotional work this time.

And her sales numbers STILL fell off another cliff, so either all her promotional work made NO difference, or only managed to stem the bleeding.

If St. Martins gives her two more books with numbers like that, they out to be ashamed of themselves. They're losing money hand over fist with her books.

 

[Ninon42]

We have our first month total print sales numbers!

Good news for Lindsay Ellis - she did NOT see another 80 percent drop between Book 2 and Book 3, as she had with Book 1 to Book 2.

It was only a 50 percent drop this time.

3,680 total physical sales as of the most recent numbers from Bookscan.

Her first month of release, and she barely brakes half of what Book 2 did in week 1.

The thing that's especially impressive - She actually did a national book tour and a lot of interviews and promotional work this time.

And her sales numbers STILL fell off another cliff, so either all her promotional work made NO difference, or only managed to stem the bleeding.

If St. Martins gives her two more books with numbers like that, they out to be ashamed of themselves. They're losing money hand over fist with her books.

Maybe Nebula can branch into publishing physical media to prevent the influencer ego death blow that is self-publishing (even though Jill Bearup sold over 25k in her first week self-publishing and made a profit) for books 4 and 5. Her sister-in-law Asexual Vampire Tits published a book through Falstaff Books, so perhaps they are an option if St. Martin's decides to cut their losses.

Wish there was a better way to know the digital sales; it could be that it sold twice that on Kindle...

ETA: @Boston Brand I would be remiss not to request a BookScan screenshot to validate your claims, please. Much as I enjoy these words, receipts are forever

 

[The Hardest R]

It makes sense - seems odd for someone to jump right in on book three, especially if it’s well known that she thinks it’s going to be a five-book series and she doesn’t know how books four and five will be published. Bad fanfiction written by white girls is a dime a dozen these days.

 

[STARS158]

Is she considered good looking?

You are talking about 15 years ago.