Mega Rad Gun Thread

[BallsMcLongDong]

Funny you mention handguns. I actually think in Null's case where it's someone seeking him out in particular that he should prepare for an encounter in a public area, away from his home and whatever trenches and alarm systems he's made. Cops do this all the time with violent suspects with arrest warrants. They don't nab them at their home where there could be a standoff, they get them on the roads where they're carrying far less and are more exposed.
For that reason I'd be concerned with practicing with a handgun more than anything.

I agree with this. If you were to get in any sort of armed engagement, the likelihood is far higher that you will have a pistol on you and not a rifle. Now, if you're home, that changes. But unless you've got something like a MAC under a trenchcoat, your armed encounter will probably be facilitated with a pistol away from your home. At least until the blue helmets roll out.

 

[DocAwe]

Soviet M43 (7.62x39) is more like a rimless 30-30 made for a semiautomatic than the 7.62x51.

 

[Club Sandwich]

AKs firing the same round. From what I see, the AK fires a very similar round, but I think the NATO round is longer and should therefore have more grains and speed (??? i am retarded) and should hit harder.

just as a point, since the numbers actually have significant meaning: the 7.62x39mm delivers around 2100 foot-pounds of energy on a target at 100 meters. a 7.62x51mm NATO is closer to 2600 foot-pounds. the difference of 500 foot-pounds of energy is pretty substantial - enough to move a 500 pound object 1 foot. this force is concentrated on a very small area, and a plate is designed to absorb, deflect, and spread out that force in an extremely short period of time so that energy doesn't defeat the plate and penetrate.

repeated hits to the same area tend to eventually penetrate as the plate weakens with each hit.

other than both being "about 1/3 of an inch" the two cartridges aren't related.

as an aside, .308 Winchester and 7.62x51mm NATO are extremely similar, although not exactly the same.

the 7.62x54mmR (R for rimmed or Russian, depending who you ask), is comparable, but ultimately not as efficient and not as "powerful" when measuring energy delivered.

i still think josh should concentrate on physical defenses, training, and some sort of 7.62 NATO for typical engagement ranges in the desert assuming he has a compound or something. invest in hardening approaches and fall back lines, et c. a lot of people (josh included) are really really over thinking this. a transferable G3 or HK91 with sear, quality glass and ammunition, a case of AP (make your own or buy it, it's out there), and lots and lots of training and practice. worrying about defeating plates and buying anti-materiel rifles isn't going to stop josh from getting merc'd by a package bomb.

dealing with an armored troon-mobile with 4-6 heavily armed and trained hitmen with years of combat experience wearing L4 plates by yourself isn't done by penning plates with gucci guns and ammo. it's done with choosing and shaping the battlefield, fighting on your own terms, controlling their information, and funnelling attackers into kill zones. these are not new or revolutionary tactics unless you want to consider 90 years old "new".

 

[Jump]

Something I absolutely would be worried about is signal jammers these are being used in South Africa right now

Its becoming a thing with the crime tourists now. This makes all your basic bitch Ring and wifi connected consumer cloud CCTV systems useless. If it matters then its hardwire or nothing now. I use BlueIris for my cctv system and it supports just about all the professional style hardwired CCTV cameras and it has cellphone apps that connect directly to your server with out any bullshit "cloud" companies in between.

I suspect the availability of sophisticated jamming will continue to grow with all the hyper active EW R&D being done in the Ukraine.

 

[LemonParty]

7.62x39mm delivers around 2100 foot-pounds of energy on a target at 100 meters. a 7.62x51mm NATO is closer to 2600 foot-pounds. the difference of 500 foot-pounds of energy is pretty substantial

This is true. Same goes for the 5.56 vs .223. I reload my own ammo and in my reload books 5.56 (and 7.62 nato) call for more powder.

More power however, does not mean more accuracy though. I load .223 for my 5.56 rifle because I can get a better MOA (grouping on target at 100yards) with higher quality and consistent rounds.

The military adds that extra powder for penetration.

 

[4090 Chad]

I'm seriously investigating the AR-10. I have read first hand reports of soldiers in Afghanistan being hit in L4s by AKs firing the same round. From what I see, the AK fires a very similar round, but I think the NATO round is longer and should therefore have more grains and speed (??? i am retarded) and should hit harder. But the AK 7.62s will not pierce L4s but two shots placed on core will puncture lungs and break ribs.

This video has a pretty good demonstration comparing the power of .308 vs 7.62x54r (the round fired by the Dragunov)

If you end up going with the AR-10, just remember that the key to defeating armor is velocity. You would want the lowest grain .308 bullet and ideally hottest powder load possible for the grain weight.

 

[The Voicemail Devil]

Speaking of counter surveillance, what happens if someone cuts his power before invading? That can be done from outside of visible range, right?

 

[Club Sandwich]

Speaking of counter surveillance, what happens if someone cuts his power before invading? That can be done from outside of visible range, right?

most places that aren't residences or retail have building UPS on premises to handle the load transfer to a diesel generator with fuel stabilizers - 1,000 per day for a reduced-load factory. build with redundancy in mind and expect a 5 figure yearly maintenance bill for generators, fuel, plumbing and valve gear, batteries, the UPS controller, and industrial relays and switches. bury a utility bunker a few meters underground and run protected trunk lines where you need the power and have exhaust routed through a concealed chimney - it's not like it belches black smoke or anything.

 

[Jump]

Speaking of counter surveillance, what happens if someone cuts his power before invading? That can be done from outside of visible range, right?

It should be a non-issue because all your IT infrastructure should already be on a UPS. This is an issue anyone who has lived in the 3rd world or out in the sticks would have had to figure out because of common power blips and outages. Wired cameras are normally powered by a PoE ethernet switch which of course you would plug in to your UPS. I think null as mentioned he already uses one for his PC when he streams. You can get decent residential 1500va ones for under 200 bux now.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

That's partially why I want to know if the Sig's 1911 slide fits on a standard frame, I might snag one for a build. Not a fan of the square look but the external extractor is a great improvement.
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I've got confirmation that Sig 1911 slides are internally just Series 80 slides and will fit any standard 1911, but they do have a proprietary ejector profile that isn't a standard .45 or .38/10mm.

 

[CoolGuy1990]

obligatory post for jersh's gun shopping

I would advice for a shotgun for a cheap reliable pump gun Mossberg Maverick 88 w/ slugster barrel for ambush load (1-2 slugs in the beginning of mag for priority targets followed by 00 Buck, fletchette is also an option as maiming a target turns them into a liability for a group at best or a sitting duck at worst however only use this if you feel confident in your shot spread) if jewsh is serious about a swamp shotgun's have proven their effectiveness in heavy thicket enviorments, ammo is easier to find, and more diverse than a rifle,
a more expensive semi auto but still somewhat budget is Berretta's A300 Ultima AKA the poor mans Bennelli, or just buy a Bennelli
accessories will vary however a single point sling will be necessary on any pump shotgun, ghost ring sights for irons, Eotech is my preference for red dot or reflex, and a flashlight of your choice for home invasions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV4Ijs_YMRw
trade off is your ammo will be heavier and practicing reloads will be trickier learning to double load is a must remember to carry more ammo for your sidearm to assist in picking off farther off targets
50 calories brought it up but I will reiterate practicing with your handgun will be a must no matter what as that will more than likely be the gun you will have access too most of the time

 

[geckogoy]

I'm seriously investigating the AR-10

AR-10 is pretty based

 

[Nate Higgers]

most places that aren't residences or retail have building UPS on premises to handle the load transfer to a diesel generator with fuel stabilizers - 1,000 per day for a reduced-load factory. build with redundancy in mind and expect a 5 figure yearly maintenance bill for generators, fuel, plumbing and valve gear, batteries, the UPS controller, and industrial relays and switches. bury a utility bunker a few meters underground and run protected trunk lines where you need the power and have exhaust routed through a concealed chimney - it's not like it belches black smoke or anything.

Just want to add that Generac gensets aren’t as expensive as you’d expect nowadays, at least for the residential stuff. Depending on how many kW you need and if you have a natural gas utility hookup or if you need it to run off propane or diesel. I was looking into one for my house to get by the occasional summer blackout/brownout.

It would be a worthwhile investment especially if he’s planning to live rural or “off grid”.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

Hear me out, guys. What Josh needs it not one, but two guns. 300Blk subsonic with no suppressors. 10 inch barrels on both. 100 round duo drums on both.
That way he can dual wield them and the recoil is minimal. Imagine opening a door expecting peppers and pizza, and 200 rounds just spawning your way from a greased up nude Florida man at the top of the stairs. Even if I was in full Juggernaut gear, I'd run for my life.

 

[LemonParty]

dealing with an armored troon-mobile with 4-6 heavily armed and trained hitmen with years of combat experience wearing L4 plates by yourself isn't done by penning plates with gucci guns and ammo. it's done with choosing and shaping the battlefield, fighting on your own terms, controlling their information, and funnelling attackers into kill zones. these are not new or revolutionary tactics unless you want to consider 90 years old "new".

This is absolutely essential.

I would add hat there is absolutely essential equipment too.

The Israelis have continously stated that in the current war Humas has been utterly demoralized by their inability to fight at night while the Jews can. Jews can afford NODs.



MOONS OUT TROONS OUT

Another huge tactical advantage would be suppressed fire, which the purpose of it is not so much to quit the round completely but to obscure the direction and muzzle flash of the shots.

What's that you say? Subsonic rounds aren't armor piercing because lower velocity? They don't need to be with enough foot pounds of energy.



The AR-10 fired 8.6 Blackout slaps. They use 338 Lapua caliber with 350gr of go fuck yourself. I don't give a shit if you stack two L4 plates together you're falling down. Though I haven't shot one yet, subsonic 300blk for an AR-15 is easily one of my top 5 favorite rounds. However, I have watched a ton of videos on the 8.6blk and they're oddly quiter than their baby brother the 300blk.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

Had a good day shooting yesterday. Got three chucks. One of them was ass shot though so it made it under the wood pile before dying... 150yd shot with a zastava 17hmr.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Just want to add that Generac gensets aren’t as expensive as you’d expect nowadays, at least for the residential stuff. Depending on how many kW you need and if you have a natural gas utility hookup or if you need it to run off propane or diesel. I was looking into one for my house to get by the occasional summer blackout/brownout.

It would be a worthwhile investment especially if he’s planning to live rural or “off grid”.

If you can find one at a GSA auction, a 10K tac-quiet generator set is a good investment; or even a smaller 3K for campsites. Our 10K has kept the whole house running comfortably on many occasions, and it's not obnoxiously loud.

I've seen low-hour (relative) 10K sets go for between $2-$3,000; although never when I was actually shopping for one, and being over 12yrs ago.

But they truly are quiet when placed correctly; taken care of & they'll last forever. We ran them (10 & 30K's) downrange 24/7 solid for years powering a LOT of shit, and really the only times they weren't running was if someone forgot to switch out fuel cans, or too many people at once were running their AC, microwaves, coffee pots, laptops & Xboxes. But it was fun servicing them while they were running, and there was really no way to do it without being scalded with old nasty oil.
Good times.

 

[Burekbossman]

I'd suggest a PTR91 for .308, but I'm biased. Try not to over think it. Go to a range/store and hold a bunch of guns. Check how it feels to release the mag and toggle the safety. Pick your favorites and try them at the range. Do it a couple of times, and you'll know the one you want.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

150yd shot with a zastava 17hmr.

The Zastava I used. A shitty poverty pony I made for free with parts my gunsmith had laying around, my carry gat, and a Hoban 22 single shot.

 

[DavidS877]

Maybe the forum needs a prepper or off-grid thread.

Depending on location solar+battery with generator backup might make a good solution. I think it's likely Josh won't be in a place with piped in natural gas. My vote is Diesel.