Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

[The Delta Farce]

Putting this here again because everyone seems to forget. I have to say I get MATI when people fanboy over other units without bothering to do a simple Google search. Another unit did get the UBL mission. And they wrote a book and went on 60 minutes. We don't have to speculate what would have happened.

Delta has conducted 4 hostage rescue attempts in the past 20 years. Helmet cam footage 3 of them is available on YouTube. These are massive OPSEC violations that wouldn't be found with conventional units.

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I wish people would attempt to make arguments about number of operations conducted, number of enemy killed/captured, CIVCAS, casualties sustained etc. But all of the SEALs suck comments I see are non-sequitor single points like "they hired a Ranger to teach a portion of SQT". Okay. MARSOC instructors are mostly SEALs. In and of itself that doesn't say anything about the capability of the unit without greater context.

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If anyone can find other units helmet cam footage, let me know genuinely curious

Spoiler: Post Getting too long

It isn't on the same scale as Rob O'Neill of course but you've got Kyle Morgan taking credit for what Marines actually did and making $60,000/year on Patreon

 

[Justtocheck]

Delta has conducted 4 hostage rescue attempts in the past 20 years. Helmet cam footage 2 of them is available on YouTube. These are massive OPSEC violations that wouldn't be found with conventional units.

Holy shit, I hadn't seen this video before (the other rescue I assume is the Thomas Payne MOH mish when Wheeler got killed), but not only did they use Disturbed's-Conflict song again like in the B squad video (YOU ARE MY HATED ENEMY) but they even had a fucking credit roll in Movie Maker about with the squads and tags, effectively identifying each participant. And Cole gave shit to the SEALs for the snuff videos, but conveniently forgot to mention this. Super OPSEC conscious Delta everyone.

Red Wings is an utter disgrace. Everything about it officially released, let alone Lone Survivor is 100% pure bullshit.

Yeah, I mean, fucking up an operation and getting blasted in an ambush is one thing, but the lying and movies about it, for recruiting and image purposes, is awful.

I get what you're saying, but my personal experiences with the seals are that they are arrogant prima donnas and that is not a strong enough descriptor for them. Growing up, my dad mentioned how much he couldn't stand the seals (he was a Marine) because of their attitudes and bearing. I thought he was exaggerating until I spent 3 minutes in a conversation with one . I can't reply to you for some reason.

Gotcha, your personal experiences and your families are valid and if you want to share more about the 3-minute conversation, that'd be insightful.

 

[Twrx]

Putting this here again because everyone seems to forget. I have to say I get MATI when people fanboy over other units without bothering to do a simple Google search. Another unit did get the UBL mission. And they wrote a book and went on 60 minutes. We don't have to speculate what would have happened.
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Delta has conducted 4 hostage rescue attempts in the past 20 years. Helmet cam footage 3 of them is available on YouTube. These are massive OPSEC violations that wouldn't be found with conventional units.

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I wish people would attempt to make arguments about number of operations conducted, number of enemy killed/captured, CIVCAS, casualties sustained etc. But all of the SEALs suck comments I see are non-sequitor single points like "they hired a Ranger to teach a portion of SQT". Okay. MARSOC instructors are mostly SEALs. In and of itself that doesn't say anything about the capability of the unit without greater context.

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If anyone can find other units helmet cam footage, let me know genuinely curious

Branches and SOF often need to work together to accomplish their mission sets, while it isn't a specific SOF truth, I think 4 covers it. Seals (again in my experience) are just pretty boys. Especially experiencing the hell during and post red wing. 2/3 SS guys were beyond pissed. And understandably so. The Taliban cranked shit to 11 afterwards, and we were getting fucked left and right on abad. The elections that year was nearly a break while we were providing artillery cover to the odas covering the ballot trucks .

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

"You can't post pictures of Delta Operators"- same retards who will slobber over or publish books with barely any approval or restraint

Also, this may be a bit petty, but if there is any word that sends red flags to my mind that you're dealing with a tacticool loser or a has-been is the word "operator". I've just started calling everyone soldiers and that makes these types really fucking asshurt, and I'm all for it.

 

[Justtocheck]

Branches and SOF often need to work together to accomplish their mission sets, while it isn't a specific SOF truth, I think 4 covers it. Seals (again in my experience) are just pretty boys. Especially experiencing the hell during and post red wing. 2/3 SS guys were beyond pissed. And understandably so. The Taliban cranked shit to 11 afterwards, and we were getting fucked left and right on abad. The elections that year was nearly a break while we were providing artillery cover to the odas covering the ballot trucks .

So, if I'm getting what you are saying right, after Red Wings, the situation in that particular part of Afghanistan deteriorated, and that's because of Red Wings? Your dislike of SEALs, if you had personal experience with them, is valid, but to be fair, just saying they are "just pretty boys" wouldn't be correct.

Red Wings was in 2005, and they had a lot of successful combat tours and missions since, including the UBL raid and multiple hostage rescue missions.

And getting helos shot down has happened to everyone. You know, "Black Hawk Down" where if it not were for the Malaysians and Pakis, everyone at that crash site would have been overrun and killed. This is not me saying it, it was Tom Satterly who said the reinforcements arrived barely in time, and he had literally zero ammo (and had to pic up a mag with 3 bullets).

It isn't on the same scale as Rob O'Neill of course but you've got Kyle Morgan taking credit for what Marines actually did and making $60,000/year on Patreon

Ahh, I had forgotten to add him to the OP and his video where he forgets everything. Thank you. I also need to add Andy Stumpf btw, just because he chronically interrupts guests and is part of BRCC.

@RA-5C Vigilante Apparently the term was a deformation of the British term they used for tradecraft people "operative". I don't know where "operator" came from to describe Army and Navy people. To me, it sounds like "machine operator" and I think of crane operators or "operator manuals" for heavy machinery.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I can't reply to you for some reason.

Long posts can't be quoted in order to cut down on page size, you can highlight specific bits and quote them instead.

 

[The Delta Farce]

Another Ranger thinking he is better than everyone else. Rangers also had 50 times as many casualties as those units. Probably a Nick Irving alt. Regardless of what you think about SEALs, the probable war crimes, etc. saying they are on the same level as a regular SWAT team is such an obvious lie. And again nobody can explain why SEALs were chosen for:

-Rescue of American citizens in Afghanistan in 2001
-Rescue of Jessica Lynch in Iraq in 2003
-The rescue of Dilip Joseph in Afghanistan in 2012
-The rescue of a British Aid Worker in Afghanistan with the SAS in 2012
-The rescue of Jessica Buchanon in Somalia in 2012
-The rescue of a journalist in Yemen in 2014
-The rescue of an American family in Afghanistan in 2016
-The rescue of Philip Walton in Nigeria in 2020
-The rescue of an American nun in 2023

Hostage rescues have extreme blowback when they fail. Would senior leadership in the military really risk repeatedly sending a team that was that fucked up? "Those missions were in SEALs area of operations". Why were they even given land authority in the first place. Including countries that CAG was in first?

https://archive.is/CIb8z

 

[Justtocheck]

Rescue of American citizens in Afghanistan in 2001
-Rescue of Jessica Lynch in Iraq in 2003
-The rescue of Dilip Joseph in Afghanistan in 2012
-The rescue of a British Aid Worker in Afghanistan with the SAS in 2012
-The rescue of Jessica Buchanon in Somalia in 2012
-The rescue of a journalist in Yemen in 2014
-The rescue of an American family in Afghanistan in 2016
-The rescue of Philip Walton in Nigeria in 2020
-The rescue of an American nun in 2023

Also, the Captain Philips rescue.

It's also notable that they failed some rescue missions, like Linda Norgrove and SY Quest, but that didn't get them sidelined in favor of Delta.

Also, "Never met a Delta who wasn't humble", lol, he never heard of Pranka and his rants?

Ahh, I had forgotten to add him to the OP and his video where he forgets everything. Thank you. I also need to add Andy Stumpf btw, just because he chronically interrupts guests and is part of BRCC.

Done! Plus Mike Glover.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

Bitter veterans and Reddit is like mixing water and potassium, how could anyone think its a good idea?

 

[Justtocheck]

Bitter veterans and Reddit is like mixing water and potassium, how could anyone think its a good idea?

Plus copious amounts of ethanol. It is a great idea. The public has a great insight into the personality of the bitter veterans through here. And maybe some laughs.

 

[The Delta Farce]

Yeah the logic could easily be turned around. If the British SAS chose to work with SEAL Team 6 for their next hostage rescue in 2012 even after they killed Norgrove, just how fucked up did Delta have to be?

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

Plus copious amounts of ethanol. It is a great idea. The public has a great insight into the personality of the bitter veterans through here. And maybe some laughs.

I get the whole over-compensating for Vietnam thing when it comes to vets, but having had the misery of serving, I think most people are unaware the military recruits the trash that trash throws in the trash on average, and they don't get any better when they get out. In fact, I'd say a lot of them get worse, especially the types who have no personality traits other than being a former soldier.

 

[karz]

"Take it down"

>take group photo of you and your buds doing ooperator sheit
>(probably) send it to everyone who was in the photo for keepsakes
>that is what normal people do
>one of them sends it out to their friends
>their friends
>so on
>eventually gets to public internet
>"You gotta take that shit down br0ther, you're endangering the lives of the ooperators"
If their missions are so critical and keeping their identities is a key secret for OPSEC, how about they don't take group photos except at military-sanctioned public events and parties? Sure, won't have as many pictures with your butt buddies, but ooperators need to stop bitching when photos like that eventually make their way to the public. It's inevitably going to happen, especially with group photos.

and not taking photos in the field will help with plausible deniability when your butt buddies are posing with corpses like Eddie Gallagher did.
Bros who worked in 35F (Army Intelligence) put the importance of OPSEC and keeping your mouth shut as "pretty important" things to know.
It escapes me as to why Delta guys, in particular, don't understand that.

Oh well, it's not like they protect their identities anyway, given how loose they treat their associations with Delta at shooting competitions.

In other news, my 3-star friend is retiring soon and I was invited to their change of command ceremony.
I'll let you guys know if I gleaned any more insider info on the state of the armed forces when I talk to them in person in a few weeks.

 

[Justtocheck]

In other news, my 3-star friend is retiring soon and I was invited to their change of command ceremony.
I'll let you guys know if I gleaned any more insider info on the state of the armed forces when I talk to them in person in a few weeks.

That's going to be interesting to know. I'm wondering how deep the recruiting crisis goes and what does the Military need the most at the moment. I know LSCO is all the rage right now, so everyone is pretending GWOT never happened, so I'm wondering how that affected SOCOM. But all the deets are welcomed.

I'm especially wondering if the Israeli debacle after their mini-GWOT in Gaza and the administration shitting on the ICC had an effect in the ranks. I know some people in intelligence made a big scandal from it and refused to work with Israel.

 

[BlastMonk]

I'm wondering how deep the recruiting crisis goes

I suspect that all the talk of bringing in conscription is due to this 'Nobody wants to joing the army? Just force them to.' Australia has been having a similar conversation recently, we refused conscription in the face of World War one and two, but it was bought in for the failure of Vietnam to assist our American 'mates'. Now its conscription to expand our army size by 150% to gaurd aganist a Chinese invasion, which is retarded in many many ways that I won't delve into here. The more the army shrinks due to personal shortages the more we'll see conscription and 'foreign legion' ideas get thrown about. Because combining the current culture of looking the other way for murder and rapes in the army, with having a bunch of violent foreigners willing to kill to get citzenship is such a great idea.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Remember when Chris Kyle admitted to shooting civilians in an interview Navy seals delta force in spec OPS units are not effective I'm putting down insurgencies.
There's only three effective anti insurgency measures
number one is the Soviet style which is literally shoot everyone involved shoot all of the families shoot all of the friends shoot all of the cousins and leave absolutely no one alive that's how the Soviet Union destroyed the forest brotherhood.
#2 is you actually address why the insurgency exists and the underlying problems no one ever actually does this because it usually has to do with you being in their country screwing their **** up.
And #3 is hearts and minds you basically make the people's lives generally better than the insurgents and you turn the people against the insurgencies because they're screwing their lives up now.
There's technically #4 which is find a bigger group of psychopaths to kill the other group of psychopaths which is what Vladimir Putin did in chechnya.
Navy seals randomly busting into random people's houses and shooting people whether or not they're terrorists generally makes the populace not like you I really wouldn't wanna live under the occupation of people coming into my house randomly at night and blowing my wife's head off.
Don't forget mutilating bodies another nasty stuff

 

[Justtocheck]

Still lying about Dunbar and Tonroe. I'm starting to believe they are doing it on purpose.

Archive

 

[The Delta Farce]

There's a former SAS operator Jay who works for GBRS. He did a year long exchange with Delta and still chose to work for SEALs. His Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jay_cal87/?hl=en

Spoiler: Lying

Green Berets winning the hearts and minds

 

[Justtocheck]

Green Berets winning the hearts and minds

Brent Tucker Quran burner confirmed What a fucking criminal sped. Yeah, no shit the big wigs keeps giving important missions to the "pretty boys". I'm sure the Army did nothing to deserve that mistrust.

 

[The Delta Farce]

We need a good Trumpian nickname for Tuckah. Psycho Brent? Smiling as he talks about canoeing people.