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You have all these factions whose only uniting principle was being anti-Trump, and now they have spent 4 years attacking each other and arguing about how to proceed. The Biden faction was able to hold the reins of power until the Debate but now they lost it and no one is strong enough to grab them. It's a fucking mess.

No, now they have Trump to unite them all over again.

Everyone gloating about Biden's terrible performance losing the election is smoking the Kool-aid harder than any lefty copium addict. Biden voters are not principled stewards worried about good governance and the future of this country. They're anti-Trumpers, single-issue voters, movement leftists, special interests, subversives, technocrats, hypocritical Machiavellians, wannabe overlords and neo-Puritan scolds. They are overly emotional voters with limited empathy (applied only to their allies), who have to be coddled by the political machine but are reliable party votes. You know this already.

These are the people who spent 2020 rioting to eliminate the police, then voted for the Crime Bill sponsor and a corrupt former DA. These are the people who have been saying VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO for 8 years, and actually believe it. They're terminally online crowd-followers who knew Biden was senile before they voted for him the first time, and they'll use the same rationalizations to vote for him the second time.

Yes, right now they're sobbing about how bad Biden looks. That doesn't matter. It's called venting; the debate gave them the opportunity to speak their misgivings in public... but not to abandon the party. In another week they will heave a big sigh and spill just as many words about how they are reluctantly voting for Biden anyway.

The only things that could've split them was a non-Trump GOP nominee, a serious 3rd party option, and a hardcore primary backstab by some Harris-backing wing in the party. But nobody likes Harris or has the balls to challenge powerful incumbents; RFK Jr stumbled too often; and DeSantis caved to Trump, who will unite the screechers against him.

It would take Biden collapsing on live TV, preferably during the 2nd debate, to get anyone on his side to stop voting for him. Even then he'll probably still get 45% by default (plus the expected 5-7% bump from fraudulent votes).
 
I'm kind of not as well informed as a lot of you are here, but I do know the primary circuses are the January 6th incident and his dealings with hush money. What do they really have to gain from killing him? With the disaster that was the debate, the immediate desperation and despair that followed, and then an assassination, it would just be pinned on the Democrats, no? It would be an absolute disaster.
trump plans to purge the feds, as in firing them and shutting them down. glowies have a lot to loose if they don't get rid of him. but if they do kill him, it'll make him a martyr and guarantee 8 years of Desantis or whoever replaces trump.
 
I know I'm late to the party, but Trump went on that weird "I made the water come back" ramble, and every leftwing site was acting like it was complete insanity
This is one of the things they do that boils my piss the most. Granted, this one was more obtuse than most but in their effort to own blumpft, lefttards deliberately act like they've never heard basic concepts taught in elementary science classes or frequently brought up in their own political spheres/the media before blumpft.

Trump talks about forest fires actually being worsened by ecotards ending forest management, correctly refers to the "forest floor": OMG BLUMPFT IS INSANE IMPEACH NOW HE THINKS FORESTS HAVE LINOLEUM TILES

Trump, in a debate, brings up "coyotes". This is a well established term for people smugglers who often rape/kill/traffic/force clients to be drug mules: LOLOLOL BLUMPFT HAS ALZHEIMERS HE THINKS WILD ANIMALS ARE CARRYING LATINX BODIES ACROSS THE BORDER

The latter in particular I joked that lefties would say Trump was insane and referring to literal coyotes. I was fuming when they actually did
 
I'm kind of not as well informed as a lot of you are here, but I do know the primary circuses are the January 6th incident and his dealings with hush money. What do they really have to gain from killing him? With the disaster that was the debate, the immediate desperation and despair that followed, and then an assassination, it would just be pinned on the Democrats, no? It would be an absolute disaster.
They get to brag and be celebrated for killing Orange Hitler before he returned to power. It'll be just like how the Avengers killed Thanos, undid the Snap, and killed an alternate Thanos from remaking the universe in his image.
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"Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no immunity for unofficial acts"

TRUMP WON
119 pages! I'll pass on that one and wait to be told what to think.
 
No, now they have Trump to unite them all over again.

Everyone gloating about Biden's terrible performance losing the election is smoking the Kool-aid harder than any lefty copium addict. Biden voters are not principled stewards worried about good governance and the future of this country. They're anti-Trumpers, single-issue voters, movement leftists, special interests, subversives, technocrats, hypocritical Machiavellians, wannabe overlords and neo-Puritan scolds. They are overly emotional voters with limited empathy (applied only to their allies), who have to be coddled by the political machine but are reliable party votes. You know this already.

These are the people who spent 2020 rioting to eliminate the police, then voted for the Crime Bill sponsor and a corrupt former DA. These are the people who have been saying VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO for 8 years, and actually believe it. They're terminally online crowd-followers who knew Biden was senile before they voted for him the first time, and they'll use the same rationalizations to vote for him the second time.

Yes, right now they're sobbing about how bad Biden looks. That doesn't matter. It's called venting; the debate gave them the opportunity to speak their misgivings in public... but not to abandon the party. In another week they will heave a big sigh and spill just as many words about how they are reluctantly voting for Biden anyway.

The only things that could've split them was a non-Trump GOP nominee, a serious 3rd party option, and a hardcore primary backstab by some Harris-backing wing in the party. But nobody likes Harris or has the balls to challenge powerful incumbents; RFK Jr stumbled too often; and DeSantis caved to Trump, who will unite the screechers against him.

It would take Biden collapsing on live TV, preferably during the 2nd debate, to get anyone on his side to stop voting for him. Even then he'll probably still get 45% by default (plus the expected 5-7% bump from fraudulent votes).
He was losing the election before

He's still losing the election after

lol calm down
 
or how harry potter killed voldermort, or stopping the empire in star wars.
They've disowned Harry Potter, unfortunately you can't lump it in with their mindless manchild comparison games without being accused of gassing trans people in J.K. Rowling funded concentration camps.

I am wondering HOW delusional people would be if they genuinely, openly, celebrated and admitted to an assassination like that. Based on the posts being made on Twitter right now, it might not be an if. They genuinely would celebrate.
 
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It puts some worms back in the can. Aka every future President will now not be sued immediately once they leave office. Also means Bush and Obama are safe, because escalation to drag those 2 in would have 100% happened.

The Supreme Court honestly appears to be on a role these last few terms. So much outright bullshit that was never codified into law is now being thrown out and returned to the actual letter/intent of the law. Really refreshing after the outright batshit insanity of the last few decades. Especially with RBG and the rest of the left wing of the court proclaiming laws out of thin air or really creative mental gymnastics of the different admendments.

Long overdue pushback.
 
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Xitter and Faggit’s stances seem to be to assassinate and threaten assassination to all who don’t bend the knee.
That's really funny because that wouldn't be an official act, but if they cut out the "preserving democracy" bit, it might be. If say, Biden thought that Alito was violating US laws, and so ordered the Army to kill him, that might be an official act. If he did so to preserve democracy it wouldn't be.
 
Ok, so after reading the ruling, here's what I've found:
1) Total immunity for official acts as covered by the constitution.
2) Presumptive immunity for acts in the outer perimeter (This means he has immunity unless the government can prove the acts are not related to an official act, like innocent until proven guilty)
3) No immunity on personal acts
4) When determining the type of act and it's immunity, motive is not allowed as a deciding factor, only if the act itself is within the constitutional purview of the executive.
5) Trump is immune from acts/conversations with the justice department as that's in the executive's purview. - Immune
6) His talks with Pence to ask him to send electors back to the states have presumptive immunity.
7) Trump's conduct with the states (E.G. the georgia AG) must have hearings for fact finding on the allegations. - Presumptive Immunity
8) The district court must have a hearing on the "content, form, and context" of his J6 speach/rally to determine if it fits within an official act. - presumptive Immunity
9) IMPEACHMENT AND CONVICTION NOT REQUIRED - You don't need to impeach and convict a president to prosecute him for actions taken in office (I'm assuming these would be criminal acts that don't fall under immunity).
 
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