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I'm seeing a sudden influx of twitter threads complaining about the sexualization of Twi'leks. I'm sorry, but you can't be a Star Wars fan if you reject George Lucas's chosen sexy aliens.
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I actually liked The Mandalorian having an ugly \ creepy female Twi'lek.
EU had a female Twi'lek who was a founder and leader of an organization called Diversity Alliance, a group fighting for social justice. She was also a villain and a terrorist and purposefully made herself look ugly and intimidating.
 
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Illuminati Order Official said:
I actually liked The Mandalorian having an ugly \ creepy female Twi'lek.
EU had a female Twi'lek who was a founder and leader of an organization called Diversity Alliance, a group fighting for social justice. She was also a villain and a terrorist and purposefully made herself look ugly and intimidating.
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Seems spot on for diversity.
 
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Can someone explain to me how come these two fanbases deals with these different approaches towards canonicity:

The Star Wars canon and the Indiana Jones canon.

The Star Wars canon fans tries to put everything that George did above the rest, defending it over other works not made by them.

Then in Indiana Jones, this doesn't happen, stuff that George had direct involvement like the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles is ignored (even when the main actor shows up once) and the rest of the media related to it (novels and games) are even more ignored by the fans.

How can two fanbases from the same creator have such different perspectives? Indiana Jones fans behave more like non fans, even dismissing the fourth film (and now the fifth) and other works.
 
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Registration said:
Can someone explain to me how come these two fanbases deals with these different approaches towards canonicity:

The Star Wars canon and the Indiana Jones canon.

The Star Wars canon fans tries to put everything that George did above the rest, defending it over other works not made by them.

Then in Indiana Jones, this doesn't happen, stuff that George had direct involvement like the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles is ignored (even when the main actor shows up once) and the rest of the media related to it (novels and games) are even more ignored by the fans.

How can two fanbases from the same creator have such different perspectives? Indiana Jones fans behave more like non fans, even dismissing the fourth film (and now the fifth) and other works.
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The old Star Wars EU literally had a canon level known as G-Canon, for George. Sorry to link there, but https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Canon#A_hierarchy_to_canon,_two_"universes"_and_two_continuities_(2000-2008). So this was an official level of canonicity from the company / man itself. (Or himself.)

Indy had a lot of media people forget about (Young Indy, a few games, several books), but it never had the media empire that Star Wars had. I also think in the spirit of the pulps, more so than Star Wars, George was ok playing loose with Indy.
 
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Registration said:
How can two fanbases from the same creator have such different perspectives? Indiana Jones fans behave more like non fans, even dismissing the fourth film (and now the fifth) and other works.
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George, despite making some dismissive comments about SW EU, actually used and referenced parts of it in the movies - Coruscant appeared in the books long before prequels entered production, Dash Rendar's ship from Shadows of the Empire appeared in OT Special Edition, Boonta race first appeared in Droid cartoon, Maul's double-bladed saber was modeled after Exar Kun's saber, and so on. And on top of it SW EU was trying with varying levels of success to be internally consistent and self-referential therefore much more rewarding to follow.
Indiana Jones does not have that internal consistency - games never reference books, books never reference comics and so on. And the only Indiana Jones work I would call exceptionally good was Fate of Atlantis, the rest is mediocre at best (I did enjoy Infernal Machine but speaking objectively it's just a Tomb Raider clone).
And there is only one Indiana Jones formula that really works with fans: Indy learns about a legendary artifact and goes on an adventure to recover it before Nazis get their hands on it. Even Temple of Doom was considered a lesser entry because it doesn't follow this formula. Star Wars, being an universe-driven series allows for much wider variety of stories so it takes much longer before it becomes stale.
 
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Illuminati Order Official said:
George, despite making some dismissive comments about SW EU, actually used and referenced parts of it in the movies - Coruscant appeared in the books long before prequels entered production, Dash Rendar's ship from Shadows of the Empire appeared in OT Special Edition, Boonta race first appeared in Droid cartoon, Maul's double-bladed saber was modeled after Exar Kun's saber, and so on. And on top of it SW EU was trying with varying levels of success to be internally consistent and self-referential therefore much more rewarding to follow.
Indiana Jones does not have that internal consistency - games never reference books, books never reference comics and so on. And the only Indiana Jones work I would call exceptionally good was Fate of Atlantis, the rest is mediocre at best (I did enjoy Infernal Machine but speaking objectively it's just a Tomb Raider clone).
And there is only one Indiana Jones formula that really works with fans: Indy learns about a legendary artifact and goes on an adventure to recover it before Nazis get their hands on it. Even Temple of Doom was considered a lesser entry because it doesn't follow this formula. Star Wars, being an universe-driven series allows for much wider variety of stories so it takes much longer before it becomes stale.
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It would be okay if it was just that, but even Young Indiana being ignored sucks, to not even be on disney+ when the fifth film came out was weird
 
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Illuminati Order Official said:
I actually liked The Mandalorian having an ugly \ creepy female Twi'lek.
EU had a female Twi'lek who was a founder and leader of an organization called Diversity Alliance, a group fighting for social justice. She was also a villain and a terrorist and purposefully made herself look ugly and intimidating.
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That was a tranny.

srs. It was a male that multilated himself so he could pretend to be a female.
Star wars was based ahead of its time.

Registration said:
It would be okay if it was just that, but even Young Indiana being ignored sucks, to not even be on disney+ when the fifth film came out was weird
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There is wonkiness with the rights to the series IIRC.

Registration said:
Can someone explain to me how come these two fanbases deals with these different approaches towards canonicity:

The Star Wars canon and the Indiana Jones canon.
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I think the difference is that Indiana Jones stories are largely self-contained.
You don't need to Raiders to follow along with Doom. Last Crusade covers the needed backstory in the first 15 minutes. Only the abysmal final films contain any memberberries to earlier entries, and even then you don't need to have seen the films.

The "background" of Indy is real events (or at least a popculture interpretation of them). vs. Star Wars were politics/history of everything exists only in the fictional universe.

edit: I guess to get more specific - Indy is based in a close approximation of the "real world" but because there was no real Indiana Jones a level of inconsistency is built in the character/narrative. Because of this, strict to-the-letter adherence to 'canon' is not needed and slight deviations are more tolerated. Add to this, because the world is based on real life ,there is an indisputable, involatile base cannon (actual events) so small changes from that are OK if they serve an interesting narrative. There is only so far into the weeds writers can take things (though retarded college commies trying to rewrite history are testing that assertion) vs a purely fictional universe where everything is made up so small changes can't be ignored or fart-huffing retards will try to make large changes to feel important.
 
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Reading that new interview with Leslye Headland.

When asked why their new sith character would go up against 10 jedi masters with only a helmet to protect him, she invokes an Elden Ring meme. It's... Uh... Interesting.

Also, are we back with Reylo bullshit?

The Internet is quietly shipping Osha and Qimir. What can we expect from their relationship now that they’re stuck together?

How do I answer this? Well...

Are you into the good girl/bad guy pairing?

I mean, enemies to lovers, baby. But I don’t even think this is “good girl against bad guy.” I think it’s more like... OK, I’ll put it this way. I always really loved the line in A New Hope when Obi-Wan says “Vader was seduced by the Dark Side.” Always loved that word, “seduced.” I can also say that I was sent one fanfic — which I’m really glad has already started — and I was absolutely surprised at how prescient it was.
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In that same vein, there are bits of the Kylo Ren theme that play throughout the episode. Can you speak to that connection, or is that something we have to wait and see?

Ah, wish I could. It is there on purpose, but I can’t tell you why, and I can’t go into what it is. But you shall see.
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Male Idiot said:
Indiana Jones is also less nerdy, more USA based. So instead of a diverse group of fat or twig like nerds, its initial fans were more chuds who didn't give a fuck about non movies. They wanted a macho man fight movie they could enjoy.
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How is that USA based when most of the stories are set in different places of the world that could attract more foreign eyes? I loved the setting of the fourth film, some may love the setting of the first, Second and third ones.

And for history/mythologyfags are mostly nerds, kinda hard to imagine a chad enjoying the historical aspects of IJ, rather than the fighting
 
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Illuminati Order Official said:
Coruscant appeared in the books long before prequels entered production
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Croissant first appeared in the rough draft of the script for Return of the Jedi under the name "Had Abbadon." Screenshot 2024-07-02 123322.png


At 53:28 Zahn himself, in an interview with Star Wars Action News, states that Croissant was called "Imperial Center" in material from West End Games that he was given to write his books. He simply renamed the planet Croissant, which is French for shitty donut, because he was in relationship at the time with a French tranny named Pepe Le Pew.


I gotta go take a driving test so that I won't have to sit in bum piss on the bus.
 
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Registration said:
Can someone explain to me how come these two fanbases deals with these different approaches towards canonicity:

The Star Wars canon and the Indiana Jones canon.

The Star Wars canon fans tries to put everything that George did above the rest, defending it over other works not made by them.

Then in Indiana Jones, this doesn't happen, stuff that George had direct involvement like the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles is ignored (even when the main actor shows up once) and the rest of the media related to it (novels and games) are even more ignored by the fans.

How can two fanbases from the same creator have such different perspectives? Indiana Jones fans behave more like non fans, even dismissing the fourth film (and now the fifth) and other works.
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Cuz Indiana Jones is gae and has one decent movie (Temple).
Illuminati Order Official said:
George, despite making some dismissive comments about SW EU, actually used and referenced parts of it in the movies - Coruscant appeared in the books long before prequels entered production, Dash Rendar's ship from Shadows of the Empire appeared in OT Special Edition, Boonta race first appeared in Droid cartoon, Maul's double-bladed saber was modeled after Exar Kun's saber, and so on. And on top of it SW EU was trying with varying levels of success to be internally consistent and self-referential therefore much more rewarding to follow.
Indiana Jones does not have that internal consistency - games never reference books, books never reference comics and so on. And the only Indiana Jones work I would call exceptionally good was Fate of Atlantis, the rest is mediocre at best (I did enjoy Infernal Machine but speaking objectively it's just a Tomb Raider clone).
And there is only one Indiana Jones formula that really works with fans: Indy learns about a legendary artifact and goes on an adventure to recover it before Nazis get their hands on it. Even Temple of Doom was considered a lesser entry because it doesn't follow this formula. Star Wars, being an universe-driven series allows for much wider variety of stories so it takes much longer before it becomes stale.
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Shadows of the Empire was George's multimedia thing. But according to Big Dick Rick he was going to call Coruscant something else until Rick talked him into keeping the book name.
 
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Quarterback Rex Grossman said:
Cuz Indiana Jones is gae and has one decent movie (Temple).
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While I disagree with the first point, you are correct that Temple of Doom is the best one, people who like Crusades are morons who clap at a total repeat for the first. It baffles me that more people don't pick up on that, I blame Spielberg for that.
 
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Ghostse said:
That was a tranny.

srs. It was a male that multilated himself so he could pretend to be a female.
Star wars was based ahead of its time.
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If we're talking about Nolaa Tarkona, she was more of a pooner - sharpened her teeth to look like a male Twi'lek.

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Croissant first appeared in the rough draft of the script for Return of the Jedi under the name "Had Abbadon."
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Quarterback Rex Grossman said:
But according to Big Dick Rick he was going to call Coruscant something else until Rick talked him into keeping the book name.
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Yeah, the name was later used for another planet.
 
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