US Democrat Says Party Members 'Gaslit' In Private Call About Joe Biden - big donors find out what it's like to be treated with the same contempt that democrats usually reserve for their voters

A Colorado Democrat said his party "gaslit" him and others on a private call about President Joe Biden on Saturday after his dismal presidential debate performance.

Amid mounting concerns about Biden's age and mental acuity, Democrats hoped for a youthful and energetic performance when the president took the CNN debate stage in Atlanta on Thursday night against former President Donald Trump.

However, that hope quickly turned into panic when the 81-year-old rambled through his administration's current accomplishments and goals with a hoarse voice. A Biden aide, meanwhile, told Newsweek late Thursday night that the president was battling a cold during the debate.

On Saturday afternoon, DNC Chairman Jaime Harrison and Biden campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez held a call with dozens of Democratic National Committee (DNC) members from across the country.

Elected DNC member Joe Salazar told the Associated Press on Saturday, "I was hoping for more of a substantive conversation instead of, 'Hey, let's go out there and just be cheerleaders,' without actually addressing a very serious issue that unfolded on American television for millions of people to see."

Salazar continued: "There were a number of things that could have been said in addressing the situation. But we didn't get that. We were being gaslit."

Multiple DNC members who were on the call told AP that they felt as if they were being asked to ignore the severity of Biden's dismal debate performance. Harrison and Rodriguez ignored the issues of Biden's performance and its fallout, according to the publication. Meanwhile, the chat function on the call was disabled and no questioned were allowed. The committee members who spoke with AP said the call may have worsened the panic felt among the president's allies in this race.

DNC spokesperson Hannah Muldavin told Newsweek via email on Sunday that the call was part of a regularly hosted meeting held quarterly.

"On the call, Chair Harrison provided updates on the latest fundraising numbers and recapped the week," which included, "the debate on Thursday, when President Biden outlined a positive vision to drive progress and Donald Trump lied through his teeth and refused to accept the results of the election," Muldavin said.

During Thursday night's debate, moderator Dana Bash asked Trump after he repeatedly dodged the question, "Will you accept the results of the election regardless of who wins?" Trump responded: "If it's a fair and legal and good election—absolutely."

Meanwhile, Salazar wrote on X, formerly Twitter, on Saturday night, "Gotta say, our presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee shouldn't be in a close contest with a multi-felon, lying Republican bastard. It should be a bludgeoning."

Trump was found guilty last month on 34 counts of falsifying business records to hide hush money paid to adult film actress Stormy Daniels shortly before the 2016 presidential election. Daniels alleged she had a sexual encounter with Trump in 2006, which he denies. The former president has maintained his innocence, and his legal team intends to appeal the verdict.

Salazar told AP that Republicans are "the ones who should be looking for a new nominee, not us. And unfortunately for us, because of our president's performance on Thursday night, that is now an open discussion."

Newsweek reached out to Salazar via social media direct message for comment.

Meanwhile, there have been calls for Biden to drop out of the race among some Democrats, and The New York Times editorial board.

Biden has said that he has the best chance of defeating Trump because he did it in 2020. However, The Times' editorial board wrote in an article published Friday, titled, "To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race," that voters "cannot be expected to ignore what was instead plain to see: Mr. Biden is not the man he was four years ago." The article added that Biden appeared "as the shadow of a great public servant," on the debate stage.

Meanwhile, during an appearance on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat and Biden ally, defended the president after his debate performance, calling it "a bad night."

"It's not about performance, in terms of a debate, it's about performance in a presidency," the congresswoman told host Dana Bash. "The reaction to the lies of Donald Trump is something that maybe TV isn't focusing on, but people are. And to have a debate where you have to spend half your time negating what he said because he knows nothing about the truth. On one side of the screen you have integrity, the other side you have dishonesty."

While there were misleading statements from both sides, Trump made more than Biden. CNN counted over 30 false statements made by the former president while the network said Biden made at least nine false or misleading statements during the debate.

Update 6/30/24, 5:17 p.m. ET: This article has been updated with comment from the DNC and additional information.

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I had to write the democrats off as a lost cause in 2020 because being a democrat was just an eternal game of trying to warn people that the party was about to fuck up, being ignored and told I don't know what I was talking about, and then somehow being blamed in hindsight for the fuckups I predicted. When Biden got the nomination I was so angry, I thought there's no way he could win, I still maintain he wouldn't have had it not been for covid. But democrats were all in on the "most electable candidate" narrative, and the fact that he beat Trump to them was proof that they had been correct. They never bothered to ask if he was reelectable though.

I'm actually a little surprised that this is what it took to get donors to start questioning the party. I would have thought they were a little more cold-blooded than the rank and file voter, but it seems they have been scammed just as much as the rest of us. If Biden loses, watch the dems blame their disloyal donors. And watch them never act like it was their job to win the donors over and not the job of the donors to be unquestionable loyal to a party that hates them. Things are pretty bad if they are treating their donors like this. I can only conclude that dems have started to believe their own lies, and they don't know how to stop doing it even behind closed doors anymore.
Do you think these donors will stop supporting political parties altogether or do you think they'll just migrate over to a different party like say, the Green party or the Libertarian party?
 
If the Biden admin had been more successful, they might have a case after he went full vegetable on prime-time TV. However, they are facing massive headwinds.

1) Biden himself is an absolutely wretched policy-maker, a pathological liar, and a mean-spirited asshole that's easy to dislike, in addition to being brainfucked at this point
2) Biden's family is prototypical Washington scum that clings desperately to the power and privilege of their political family member to feel important and skim money
3) Biden's admin is full of flailing incompetents that come off as either stupid or sociopathic (or both) when appearing in public
4) The public disapproves of Biden at least as much if not more than Trump, which is kind of an achievement considering how atypical & polarizing Trump is

However, the system is gamed so hard that even when you have a vegetable vs a reality TV character, the overall election will probably come down to 50k swing votes in like 3-4 states. Both candidates will spend hundreds of millions of dollars flooding those places with propaganda, and the election results will probably be fucked with for like 2 weeks after the election since that's been normalized now (terrible, terrible look and precedent, btw). So who the hell knows what will happen.

Do you remember when you felt like you were choosing a semi-worthwhile leader between two relatively reasonable candidates and you weren't questioning if the entire system was a sham? Pepperidge Farms remembers, and Pepperidge Farms is depressed as hell about it.
 
Do you remember when you felt like you were choosing a semi-worthwhile leader between two relatively reasonable candidates and you weren't questioning if the entire system was a sham? Pepperidge Farms remembers, and Pepperidge Farms is depressed as hell about it.
The first presidential race that I actually had a choice it was between a war criminal or a hippy liar. Then it was a war criminal, and a communist nigger. And then a Leftist corporatist, and a communist nigger. After that it was Orange man vs one of the most corrupt political machines the world has ever seen.

So, no, I don't remember, due to never having a chance or choice.
 
The first presidential race that I actually had a choice it was between a war criminal or a hippy liar. Then it was a war criminal, and a communist nigger. And then a Leftist corporatist, and a communist nigger. After that it was Orange man vs one of the most corrupt political machines the world has ever seen.

So, no, I don't remember, due to never having a chance or choice.
I'm pretty sure the rot goes back to Reagan at least.
 
Do you think these donors will stop supporting political parties altogether or do you think they'll just migrate over to a different party like say, the Green party or the Libertarian party?
Maybe they'll give up on Washington and put all their efforts into influencing democrats in state politics. I really don't know. If they want to support third parties they will also want to call for reforms that make third parties more viable, because First Past the Post voting heavily favors a two party system.
 
I had to write the democrats off as a lost cause in 2020 because being a democrat was just an eternal game of trying to warn people that the party was about to fuck up, being ignored and told I don't know what I was talking about, and then somehow being blamed in hindsight for the fuckups I predicted. When Biden got the nomination I was so angry, I thought there's no way he could win, I still maintain he wouldn't have had it not been for covid. But democrats were all in on the "most electable candidate" narrative, and the fact that he beat Trump to them was proof that they had been correct. They never bothered to ask if he was reelectable though.

I'm actually a little surprised that this is what it took to get donors to start questioning the party. I would have thought they were a little more cold-blooded than the rank and file voter, but it seems they have been scammed just as much as the rest of us. If Biden loses, watch the dems blame their disloyal donors. And watch them never act like it was their job to win the donors over and not the job of the donors to be unquestionable loyal to a party that hates them. Things are pretty bad if they are treating their donors like this. I can only conclude that dems have started to believe their own lies, and they don't know how to stop doing it even behind closed doors anymore.

This is the mood of about a third of the people in the NYT comments.

Pissed because the MSM and the democrats are treating us like we're stupid.

Generational loss of credibility for both.
Dem donors ARE stupid though. They have so much money, but don't research what they're investing in? Having low wisdom scores mean they're easy to manipulate.
Whether or not Trump lied isn't even relevant, because it doesn't change the fact that Biden has dementia and is unfit to hold office.

If I were an American, I'd be voting for Trump this election, even if I think he's a contemptible man who shouldn't be president - because that's better than having the US run by a (poorly) stage managed figurehead who can barely string a sentence together. Some of his gaffes have been bad enough, but a man who's this much of a liability could cause serious international incidents or completely fail to protect American interests... and if there was an emergency and people needed to act fast, there isn't time to go through the charade of enacting the 25th Amendment to hand power over to the VP temporarily, pending a supermajority in the Senate.

The least charitable possible interpretation of Trump is still better than Biden. Orange man bad; dementia man worse. But the hardcore Biden supporters can't seem to recognise this - attacking the opponent doesn't work if you also have to keep pumping out articles saying "Biden did NOT shit in an adult diaper while meeting international leaders".
It already happened. Biden insulted the Saudi Prince by calling him a murderer of some journalist. The Saudis now no longer maintain the petrodollar deal and entertain other currencies for oil exchange. Then there's Biden tying us up in the Ukraine war and we depleted our Cold War stocks to keep them armed to cover up his dirty dealings in that country. And he called Xi a dictator, which undid all of Blinken's diplomatic work. Then there's the bombing of the Nordstream II pipeline, fucking up Germany's source of energy and its relationship to Russia. And finally, stopping the construction of the Keystone XL and that's why gas is expensive now.
 
I had to write the democrats off as a lost cause in 2020 because being a democrat was just an eternal game of trying to warn people that the party was about to fuck up, being ignored and told I don't know what I was talking about, and then somehow being blamed in hindsight for the fuckups I predicted. When Biden got the nomination I was so angry, I thought there's no way he could win, I still maintain he wouldn't have had it not been for covid. But democrats were all in on the "most electable candidate" narrative, and the fact that he beat Trump to them was proof that they had been correct. They never bothered to ask if he was reelectable though.

I'm actually a little surprised that this is what it took to get donors to start questioning the party. I would have thought they were a little more cold-blooded than the rank and file voter, but it seems they have been scammed just as much as the rest of us. If Biden loses, watch the dems blame their disloyal donors. And watch them never act like it was their job to win the donors over and not the job of the donors to be unquestionable loyal to a party that hates them. Things are pretty bad if they are treating their donors like this. I can only conclude that dems have started to believe their own lies, and they don't know how to stop doing it even behind closed doors anymore.
The donors care about winning the election, and prior to the debate, Biden staying in was still their best shot. Like, yeah we know he’s been having these “senior moments” for ages, and certainly they know too, but most normies aren’t tuned into that stuff so it can be easily written off as out of out of context clips used as far-right propaganda. The debate made his state impossible to cover up, because a ton of normies were tuned in. They’re 100% fine with mushbrain Biden getting a second term as long as the normies don’t cotton on to it… now that it’s become impossible to hide, the whole plan kind of falls apart.
 
They still spun one up. I was curious as to just how they would handle the loss and monitored reddit after the debate. The first day they had turbo jannies sweeping harder then ever before. The few places not completely censored were off topic threads (subs?) like pics.

After about 24 hours they coped about how biden was a better person and trump was a criminal. That was expected what was shocking was what happened about 72 hours later. Political themed reddits started to declare that biden won the debate... and ran with it.

It was actually kind of amazing to see how the hivemind just kind of rejected reality.
Yeah it was very interesting. For like up to 12 hours all of the arr politics subreddit articles and comments were like “Biden should step down for the good of the country”. Now it’s all been swept up into “actually, trump is the real danger to the country” articles and comments. It could be conspiracy/control? It could also just be npc Redditors given their new party line/cope to parrot, idk.
 
The fun part of first past the post is that triangulation goes both ways. In plain English, hate voting for a single opponent makes it easier to punish a worthless political party if only people would do it.
 
I finally get it, the reason the Democrats are melting down over this is that they drank their own kool aid about Joe Biden. No one living in the real world was surprised about sleepy Joe's performance but for once they didn't have a narrative prepared to spin his senior moments and thus couldn't defer to that when questioned.

i am ver baffled as to why the dems are pushing such an obviously unfit candidate who is severely limiting their chances at winning. it would take nothing for them to retire him after one term, get their media apparatus to write up a bunch of revisionist articles about all the good things he did and how he reversed all the evils of trump; write in high school history textbooks what a decent president he is; and then replace him with a better candidate. it would leave biden and the dems with a decent (though big lie) 2020 record which most of mainstream america in 20 years would accept as fact.

but instead they are being huge reatrds and keep pushing biden. you post is the only explanation i can think of as to why; they must just be retards who cant accept saying they are wrong about biden. i really dont get any other way of it.

I really want to put all the people who decided "gaslighting" is a synonym of "lying" on an Elon rocket straight to the sun

yep, a very recent trendhas everyone using it to mean simply lying. it is so annoting to see. and it came kind of out of nowhere, jsut woke up one day and noticed everyone was using to mean lying.

The first presidential race that I actually had a choice it was between a war criminal or a hippy liar. Then it was a war criminal, and a communist nigger. And then a Leftist corporatist, and a communist nigger. After that it was Orange man vs one of the most corrupt political machines the world has ever seen.

So, no, I don't remember, due to never having a chance or choice.

same. none of the presidental choices during my lifetime have been anyhting but terrible. and people wonder why i dont vote. maybe if there was someone worth voting for, maybe i would.
 
Harrison and Rodriguez ignored the issues of Biden's performance and its fallout, according to the publication. Meanwhile, the chat function on the call was disabled and no questioned were allowed.

Oh boo hoo, where was all this concern 4 years ago when every Biden appearance was locked down and scripted to the last second? When no questions were allowed on the campaign trail, the events were limited to a dozen audience members sitting in socially distanced cuck circles, and nobody could get access to the candidate for the last 6 months of the campaign?

I remember the Michigan state level Democrats having a similar panic attack in 2020. "We flipped red because Clinton didn't visit! Why isn't Joe visiting? Why aren't they going hard here?" We later found out the same month the Biden campaign stopped ads and support in Michigan, was the same weeks when the state validated huge batches of ballots from 150 year old dead voters. All that worrying for nothing!

Just shut up, VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO, and let the silent ballot harvesters do their jobs, kid.
 
It’s very like…ok if it really was just “one bad night”/“one bad debate like a lot of presidents have” then get Biden out there, have him do some tough interviews with journalists so he can show his acuity. Not just one short rally with teleprompter then hide away on vacation.


:story:

Been reading theories that dnc et al decided a while ago that 2024 was theirs to lose and they actually make more money in donations when they’re out of the presidency and have trump to screech about anyway.

Other theories:

1) Biden has good and bad days and they were praying for a good day…their prayers went unanswered

2) they knew the debate would be kinda bad but were hoping it would be sort of ok and it could just be kinda glossed over and people would just forget about it. Of course it ended up being 10x worse than they hoped.

3) similar to above but I guess they were hoping if they prepped Biden enough it would be kinda okay. Instead I heard a lot of commenters saying Biden showed signs of being “over prepared” and it probably just confused him more.

Hmm
 
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very funny how after four years of the MSM shouting down any claims that Biden is a senile retard with progressing dementia, every outlet lined up the night of the debate to disavow him and run headlines like Democrats Panicking After Biden Debate Performance. my prediction is that they're gearing up to lose heroically to Trump so they can go back to being the opposition party for a term, which worked far better for them. all the cultural libs are dying for the golden era to come back where media profits were up, up, up, just off the sheer force of printing an article about Trump every five minutes. everyone subconsciously wants the bad guy back in office so they can gnash and sneed and better live the fantasy that they're some kind of heroic freedom fighter instead of just a twitter-addicted politisperg. then, after everyone is good and ginned up in 2028, they'll run another deeply unpopular ghoul like Gavin Newsom and torpedo their public sentiment all over again while the MSM prints article after article accusing all the critics of being racist.
 
The Times' editorial board wrote in an article published Friday, titled, "To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race,"
I can guarantee you one thing: the push to replace Biden is coordinated. It's likely been planned from the get-go. The Dems needed an out when they suggested Biden as a presidential nominee, because before his dotage he was a plagiarizing imbecile who couldn't adlib a belch after a Hungarian dinner.

Assuming this Salazar is in the money, then he knows it too. Biden's presidency has been nothing short of Weekend at Bernie's 2: Four Years at the White House.
 
I really want to put all the people who decided "gaslighting" is a synonym of "lying" on an Elon rocket straight to the sun
Except their usage of the term here is appropriate: they're being told not to believe their lying eyes about Biden being palpably demented. Just like in the film Gaslight
Do you remember when you felt like you were choosing a semi-worthwhile leader between two relatively reasonable candidates and you weren't questioning if the entire system was a sham? Pepperidge Farms remembers, and Pepperidge Farms is depressed as hell about it.
How old are you that you fucking remember? The entire system has been a sham going back to Woodrow Wilson. But people were largely prosperous so nobody cared.

The election in 2016 was the first real election the Americans have had in over 100 years
 
No one living in the real world was surprised about sleepy Joe's performance
Are you for real?

I don't know anyone who wasn't SHOCKED I SAY, left or right.

If I had predicted at 5:30 PM Pacific Time/8:30 Eastern Time that the old man was going to say

WE FINALLY BEAT MEDICARE

I would have gotten every fuckin' rainbow from everyone on this site.

And every president makes gaffes, every president has moments where a really unfortunate choice of words comes out.

You ever have one of those dreams where you see an insect and then you realize that everything is COVERED in insects?

This was that IRL.

My nigga RFK's brain worm would have done a better job.
 
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