US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Clown World! Clown World! Clown World! Clown World!

They are REALLY going to prop this bitch up for prime time presidency?

It's official... Biden is not the only one that's on some kind of cocktail.

 

[Pig Cups]

First crack in the dam? From DailyFail:

 

[Dan Abrams]

If they're really running Copmala all Trump has to do is point out her non-record of fumbling every easy assignment the Biden Administration ever gave her and bring up how she threw thousands of black people in prison for weed. The Trump campaign ads showing her drunk in interviews will be pretty funny too.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

They are REALLY going to prop this bitch up for prime time presidency?

It's official... Biden is not the only one that's on some kind of cocktail.

They really don't have a better choice. If biden steps down for brain soup, it would be both reasonable and realistic to pressure the various states to just slide her up into his place as if he'd died, even if they gotta bend some of their rules to do it. Not to mention getting to keep some of the campaign funding then, from what I've heard. Basically nobody else gets this excuse or consideration, they'd basically be a democrat backed third party candidate with empty coffers at that point.

 

[tehpope]

If they're really running Copmala all Trump has to do is point out her non-record of fumbling every easy assignment the Biden Administration ever gave her and bring up how she threw thousands of black people in prison for weed. The Trump campaign ads showing her drunk in interviews will be pretty funny too.

 

[CarlosDanger]

She polls in the 30s against Trump, blacks don't like her at all and won't show up for her. She is also more unlikable than Hillary was, this convention is going to be great.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Biden or the elites that pull the strings just gave Israel the go ahead to attack Lebanon to "counter Hezbollah aid to Hamas"

"US officials say that Israel will attack and secure a buffer zone in Lebanon to prevent aid from flowing to Gaza thru that area"

"At this moment we are urging US citizen to avoid Lebanon for travel and if your a resident to leave as as soon as possible"

More good news, they just deployed a Marine regiment just off shore of Lebanon "in case quick action is necessary"

HERE WE GO BOYS!

https://apnews.com/article/israel-offensive-lebanon-82d714dfca0d34fd44f565cf859818c0

Can the government stop risking the lives of our servicemen for the sake of shitskins who hate us?
This includes Muslims and Jews.

 

[CarlosDanger]

 

[quaawaa]

lol, lmao even...

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Full Article:

Biden Plunges in Swing States in Leaked Post-Debate Poll​

The president is losing critical support in key battlegrounds, according to data from a premier Democratic firm, and putting previously noncompetitive states in play. Also, for the first time, he’s polling behind Kamala Harris.​

While the debate may have barely registered in national data, in their surveys of key Electoral College states where voters are paying closer attention to the campaign, Biden is doing noticeably worse. Photo: Andrew Caballero-Reynolds/AFP/Getty Images

PETER HAMBY
July 2, 2024

A confidential polling memo circulating among anxious Democrats is confirming some of their worst fears: President Joe Biden’s support has started to tumble in key electoral battlegrounds in the wake of his disastrous debate performance in Atlanta, and Biden’s diminished standing is now putting previously noncompetitive states like New Hampshire, Virginia, and New Mexico in play for Donald Trump. What’s more, Biden has taken such a reputational hit that he is polling behind other alternative Democratic candidates—including Kamala Harris and Gretchen Whitmer—in hypothetical one-on-one matchups against Trump.

The memo was put together after the debate by OpenLabs, a progressive nonprofit that conducts polling and message-testing for a constellation of Democratic groups, including the 501(c)4 nonprofit associated with Future Forward, the preferred Super PAC for Biden’s reelection campaign. OpenLabs is something of a black box: Their website is mostly blank, they don’t seek publicity, and their client list is closely held. But their data-driven memos are trusted in Democratic circles, and typically passed around to a small group of clients and strategists. One of those Democrats forwarded me the OpenLabs document on Tuesday morning.

The poll—conducted online in the 72 hours after the debate and emailed to interested parties on Sunday—found that 40 percent of the Biden voters in 2020 that were surveyed now believe the president should end his campaign. That represents a significant shift from their last survey in May, which showed that only a quarter of Biden 2020 voters said he should drop out. Biden is also taking a major hit among swing voters: By a 2-to-1 margin, they believe Biden should exit the race.

This is, of course, only a single poll, conducted during the initial aftershocks of the debate. It will take a few weeks to determine if Biden’s slippage in the polls is a trend and not a blip. But given their reputation inside the party and connections to Future Forward, OpenLabs is a firm that Democratic campaigns take seriously.

The poll found that Biden has dropped only slightly in the national horse race against Trump, by .08 points. That mostly squares with the public narrative from the Biden campaign in the wake of the debate, as their team has labored to calm Democratic panic over Biden’s ability to beat Trump in November. Geoff Garin, one of Biden’s top pollsters, tweeted over the weekend that the campaign’s internal polling showed that the national race was mostly unchanged. “The debate had no effect on the vote choice,” he said. “The election was extremely close and competitive before the debate, and it is still extremely close and competitive today.” Polls conducted immediately after the debate by CNN and FiveThirtyEight suggested similarly negligible gains for Trump nationally, with CNN reporting that “just 5 percent of respondents say it changed their minds about whom to vote for.”

But according to OpenLabs, that’s only part of the story. While the debate may have barely registered in national data, in their surveys of key Electoral College states where voters are paying closer attention to the campaign, Biden is doing noticeably worse. In a poll including third-party candidates, such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the president has fallen by around 2 points in every single core battleground—and also in states that were not even on the 2024 map last week. In the tipping-point state of Pennsylvania, Biden now trails by 7 points, compared to 5 points before the debate. He has also dropped in Michigan, where he now trails Trump by 7. OpenLabs also found that he is now losing by roughly 10 points in Georgia and Arizona, and by almost 9 points in Nevada.

But The most worrisome angle to all this is that Trump is now within striking distance in a variety of states that weren’t considered campaign battlegrounds last week. Biden is now only winning by a fraction of a point in Virginia, Maine, Minnesota, and New Mexico—and he’s now only winning Colorado by around 2 points.

The survey also found that Biden is now losing in New Hampshire, news that aligns with a Saint Anselm College poll released Monday showing Trump suddenly winning the Granite State. It’s the drip-drip of polls like these that will continue to put pressure on Biden and his team in the coming weeks, even as they seek to move on from the debate, as my colleague John Heilemann astutely noted on Monday. The other signal that will be closely watched by the Biden campaign is whether senior party members, many of whom made a show of circling the wagons over the weekend, begin to break ranks. If Biden’s falling stature starts to damage Senate and House candidates down the ballot, Democrats on Capitol Hill might take their private concerns public and demand that Biden step aside before the Democratic National Convention in August.

OpenLabs—surely to the disappointment of the White House—also decided to test other possible Democratic replacements for Biden in matchups against Trump. The results were sobering. Harris, Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, and Pete Buttigieg all poll ahead of Biden in every battleground state. (Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, blows away Trump in her home state.) OpenLabs ran a similar survey back in September, and found no differences between any of those Democrats and Biden.

In the poll, Harris saw her favorable rating climb above Biden. As for the other would-be candidates, they obviously aren’t as well known as Biden and Harris, but OpenLabs tweaked their data to account for name recognition, extrapolating views of the lesser-known candidates to voters that don’t have an opinion using demographics and the voter file.

That adjustment was eye-opening. Whitmer and Buttigieg demonstrated serious strength against Trump in the electoral college in a two-way race, with both of them polling above 50 percent in states totaling between 260 and 301 electoral votes. Harris and Newsom, meanwhile, did not benefit from the name recognition adjustment.

Spoiler: OpenLabs Document

Source (Archive)

 

[Scale Smerch]

lol, lmao even...

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Welp if true this confirms several other polls over the past month. St. Anselm had one over the weekend with Trump ahead in New Hamshire, there was a New Mexico one showing it a one point race in Biden's favour, another for Minnesota being a veritable tie - and then the Virginia and New Jersey polls with Trump running ahead.

Ignoring Clown World shenanigans this is past Trump lean and is hitting Obama levels of blowout territory.

 

[CarlosDanger]

First crack in the dam? From DailyFail:
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Maine Democrat Jared Golden just released an op-ed saying Trump was going to win and he was ok with it.

 

[AstaSilva]

I'm getting hopeful Trump will win, but we're still 4 months to election. A lot can happen.

 

[Fahrenheit451]

Im pretty sure Kamala is the only one that can replace Biden and remain on the ballot. Most states have already printed Biden as the dem nominee, and only death can replace him in some states according to there rules.

 

[Bindo]

Welp if true this confirms several other polls over the past month. St. Anselm had one over the weekend with Trump ahead in New Hamshire, there was a New Mexico one showing it a one point race in Biden's favour, another for Minnesota being a veritable tie - and then the Virginia and New Jersey polls with Trump running ahead.

Ignoring Clown World shenanigans this is past Trump lean and is hitting Obama levels of blowout territory.

If we have major violence or a terror attack this summer that can be tied to the border being wide open, I'm expecting the map to look close to 1980.

 

[CarlosDanger]

Im pretty sure Kamala is the only one that can replace Biden and remain on the ballot. Most states have already printed Biden as the dem nominee, and only death can replace him in some states according to there rules.

Yeah I think in Wisconsin the only way Biden can be removed is if he is dead, physically dead, he's already mentally in the coffin.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

She polls in the 30s against Trump, blacks don't like her at all and won't show up for her. She is also more unlikable than Hillary was, this convention is going to be great.

She appeals to a very particular type of black woman. It's not enough to win, but that's basically her only plus factor. And what's good for the media and DNC is that when she loses, they can scream about racism and sexism for another 4 years.

Yeah I think in Wisconsin the only way Biden can be removed is if he is dead, physically dead, he's already mentally in the coffin.

Don't put it past the DNC. They've killed before, if you remember Seth Rich.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

What a time to be alive.

 

[Gar For Archer]

She appeals to a very particular type of black woman. It's not enough to win, but that's basically her only plus factor. And what's good for the media and DNC is that when she loses, they can scream about racism and sexism for another 4 years.


Don't put it past the DNC. They've killed before, if you remember Seth Rich.

Biden is still their best chance to win. However, if they’ve already accepted that they’re going to lose no matter what, pivoting to Kamala is actually the right play because it at least presents the *image* of caring what their voters think.

 

[Catboy Ranch]

Which was another attempt to 'Get Trump' by claiming he put them up to it when he tweeted 'Free Michigan'

I think they can't put anyone else on the ballot unless he actually drops dead, and something about write-ins would make it much more difficult for them to cheat

Evidence is for fascists

The Republican convention is on the 15th, the Democrat convention isn't until the end of August. That's why they had the whole palaver about the Ohio ballot

A long time ago it used to be that on the last night of a party convention that was when it was clear for all 50 states to know what to put on the ballot. But several States moved that up to when they hold their primaries then jockeyed to move the primaries earlier and earlier now they are stuck with the problem that if Biden drops out he stays on the ballot and it will be mired in state courtrooms to figure out what to do, absent that he withdraws but legally stays on the race... same as resigning while in office.

That's less painful than having a floor fight in Chicago to nominate a nobody.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

It's so surreal watching the Dems collapse in real time.
I guess from the outside, it's easy to think of them as one big, monolithic wall, solely focused on making things lame, gay and brown, but I guess even Communists are subject to factionalism.

It's nice though, to see them squirm and suffer.
I hope the National Convention is given the ol Summer of Love treatment.