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Pliskin_72 said:
Comedy, or "Horror-Comedy" to be more accurate, his humor is how much mood whiplash he can achieve in a minute, it's not for everyone of course, because it's a little "out there" , this is why I keep saying it shouldn't be taken so seriously like so many people in this thread have done

I'm going to say it out loud, but I think you might have been so biased against Murder Drones that you're starting to believe some of the more outlandish shit like rewriting mid-production as an explanation as to why you think the show is bad in your opinion,
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You know, you made me ponder a lot about entertainment media (which was not the best use of my time).

I'm glad you can enjoy Murder Drones, but for me, the only thing that's good about it are the gorgeous visuals. For the life of me I can't find any sort of enjoyment into it, ironic or not, and all I can do is to compare it with something else:

It's not like the Bee Movie which I find to be one of the funniest animated movies of all time due to how bonkers it is.
It's not like Invader Zim which I find the pinnacle of "child-friendly" comedy-horror done right.
It's not like Don't Hug me I'm Scared in how to make a surrealist horror done right.
It's not like Final Destination or The Purge in how over-the-top some of the deaths are, which makes some of them kinda """hilarious""" due to its insanity.
It's not like Tails Gets Trolled that despite the crude drawing, awful spelling dialogue, awful pacing and insane plot, it still has a followable story and there's a lot of ironic AND unironic enjoyment.
It's not like Ratboy Genius in how easily it is to immerse yourself into its insanity.
It's not like The Room (bad movie) or Napoleon Dynamite (good movie) on how dry the humor can be.
It's not like GMOD Videos that everything is being loosely tied together in a plot for sake of comedy.

And like Dynamite Bean said:

Dynamite Bean said:
even then, if i were to enjoy murder drones from an ironic perspective, i don't see anything worth my time, there are some things you do need to have a mindset to enjoy and get into, certain things are so silly and wacky you have to embrace it but with a lot of those you get something out of it you wouldn't get elsewhere

what exactly does murder drones offer that is so good and unique I wouldn't find it in anything else?
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And the thing is, you don't need to be the very best at something to be worth to watch, but I have nothing of valuable I can take from MD besides the visual aspect, and that sadly isn't enough for me. Again, if you like MD, cool! But you can like something that's not good, like I said in my sperg, I like the Bee Movie, it's absolute comedy gold, but you won't catch me dead saying that I think it's a good movie.
 
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Bob Barbas said:
So I became aware of this because I saw other people talking about it. A whole fan made episode. Granted it's in a storyboard style but still.
The fact that a fanmade episode has better writing than the real thing is hilarious. I actually was more invested in this somehow than any of the actual episodes.

My favorite comment though has to be this one.
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I know it's not official content, sorry.

But I think this could be a good moment to go into what this does right and why it works so much better than how the official series is written.
The most obvious thing that has been talked about in the thread is the fact that it's actually character focused and rather than rushing through everything with constant cuts and such we're actually able to spend time with the characters and get to know them.
Basically, the episode actually takes it's time and doesn't try to go a million miles a minute like the actual series. Now if only the actual series was written more like this. I feel like it'd be more tolerable.
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Apparently I'm not the only one that thinks this was better written than the actual show. Apparently so many people said the same thing that the creator had to issue a statement:
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Honestly, I get wanting to be humble especially in this scenario. That's perfectly fine. But, I have to say this.
One of the things that genuinely annoys me about the fandom surrounding the show is how everyone is too scared to criticize it in any meaningful way.
I think that's also one of my biggest pet peeves and why I sperg about it so much because if I don't, who will? I'm not saying the creator should go full on like "Yeah! Fuck Liam Vickers!" that'd be silly. I'm moreso just talking about the fandom as a whole.
The fandom at large are either the type to just consume the slop and ask no questions or the kind who see what is wrong with the show but choose to be "polite" and not actually say anything. Or they make half assed excuses for them. Grinds my gears.

Like you guys said though everyone seems to agree the characters are the best part of the show. But the show doesn't seem to agree.
 
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Bob Barbas said:
One of the things that genuinely annoys me about the fandom surrounding the show is how everyone is too scared to criticize it in any meaningful way.
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I feel like that's a general problem with many things today, so many people just blindly praise shit without ever offering any meaningful critique or criticism, doesn't help further that on the more usual sites only popular opinions go and anything different gets downvoted unable to be seen or people get harassed by faggot fans
this is especially a problem for indie animation, helluva boss fans are deranged and can't admit the show is just fujo meldrama gay boy shit then you have hazbin hotel with equally strong hatedom and a fandom
 
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Dynamite Bean said:
I feel like that's a general problem with many things today, so many people just blindly praise shit without ever offering any meaningful critique or criticism, doesn't help further that on the more usual sites only popular opinions go and anything different gets downvoted unable to be seen or people get harassed by faggot fans
this is especially a problem for indie animation, helluva boss fans are deranged and can't admit the show is just fujo meldrama gay boy shit then you have hazbin hotel with equally strong hatedom and a fandom
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And everyone has to be positive guys. No hateful comments allowed! (Criticism counts as hate.)
 
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the funniest thing about that fan episode is, the writer didn't do any particularly hard work to make Murder Drones a genuinely, unironically enjoyable piece of media, all they really did is

1. Make the characters feel more grounded
2. The comedy is put on a leash this time

I'm going to get shit on by this, but I got into the Ao3 side of this series, and pretty much ALL of them treated the characters with much more respect, literal fanfic writers have somehow made MD more tolerable lmao

But then again, Liam Vickers seemed to have never really cared all that much about writing characters, I have also seen his past stuff like Cliffside and IC, it's obvious he's more of a big concept kind of guy, he's more focused on making spooky monster girls over pretty much everything else

That's the tragedy of Murder Drones, his shows are kind of niche enough where it has mostly turned off the more mainstream side of the animation audience, the people that remained either tolerated his writing or actively vibed with it, many people either just ignore the story all together to go and play with the characters in their fanworks, or actively defend the puzzle-plot that is the story

And one more thing, THIS is his style, this is what he genuinely enjoys writing, have you people seen how he usually posts online? there is very little reason why he should change course, now that MD had built up a sizeable audience that enjoy his show regardless and largely wouldn't bother criticizing it
 
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Bob Barbas said:
Well if he's just writing with his dick then it would explain a lot.
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absolutely, Author Appeal gets a writer's noggin joggin

bringing another to topic, I have been searching for other places where MD is getting talked about, you people may be surprised to hear about this, but there are actually people who defend the current state of Murder Drones, they're not the majority of the fandom, from what I have seen, unlike @Pliskin_72 over there, they actually take the story very seriously, and they think it's better than most western animated shows out there, Liam's style of writing appeals to their tastes naturally, but interestingly they also kind of just flat out ignore or downplay the humor part of the show

Their defense of Murder Drones can be boiled down to this one line:
You just don't get it, you have to meticulously analyze every episode to truly understand the plot.
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And I actually agree to some extent, MD is a notorious jigsaw puzzle plot of a series, you can't really just go and binge every episode casually unlike most other media, you gotta do your own research as well, I still don't like it because none of other aspects are nowhere near even passable to warrant such dedication aside from art direction and character design

what do you think of this defense, y'all have a response to this?, because I'm going to be honest, a lot of the complaints I have seen on this thread to this show is "the plot is confusing", which it is, but thats part of the fun for these people
 
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Big_Joey_41 said:
what a shame man, his role as Kinger was pretty good
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I liked the guy too. Furfag or not, he's done great in the anime roles I've seen him in, like Mista (w/all the Sex Pistols) and Majima, and he's the only reason Rean is any kind of tolerable beneath all the "Haha"s and harem MC cliches. The fact that he's part of the Newgrounds generation of dub talent especially stings, since those guys not only have internet awareness, but are willing to take roles for indie stuff like SMG4 and Freedom Planet.
At least we still have Lizzie Freeman. She was so good in her debut as Trish that she could voice Mista as distinct from Trish.

I'm always baffled at why he always bigs up his role as Revali in Zelda:BOTW. Everyone regularly criticizes the voice acting in that game and its sequel for shit direction. They got Matt Mercer to revisit his old There Will Be Brawl role as Ganondorf, and he sounded so mediocre in it.

EDIT: Dude's going to get so ratio'd:
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Big_Joey_41 said:
there are actually people who defend the current state of Murder Drones, they're not the majority of the fandom, from what I have seen, unlike @Pliskin_72 over there, they actually take the story very seriously, and they think it's better than most western animated shows out there, Liam's style of writing appeals to their tastes naturally, but interestingly they also kind of just flat out ignore or downplay the humor part of the show

Their defense of Murder Drones can be boiled down to this one line:

And I actually agree to some extent, MD is a notorious jigsaw puzzle plot of a series, you can't really just go and binge every episode casually unlike most other media, you gotta do your own research as well, I still don't like it because none of other aspects are nowhere near even passable to warrant such dedication aside from art direction and character design

what do you think of this defense, y'all have a response to this?, because I'm going to be honest, a lot of the complaints I have seen on this thread to this show is "the plot is confusing", which it is, but thats part of the fun for these people
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I honestly completely disagree the plot is incredibly basic when you get right down to it and seems like they're trying to make it seem more needlessly complex than it is.
Almost like they're trying to give it the illusion of depth.
I admit I was wrong before I don't think the plot itself is convoluted or nonsensical but rather it's how they choose to present this plot that is convoluted and nonsensical.

The plot can be summed up as such.
  • Eldritch entity for reasons we have not been informed of yet is able to control robots created by humans as avatars more or less to attack their dimension through some kind of virus.
  • Said Entity chooses a robot in the junk yard to be it's main host which is then rescued by a human girl who also happens to have rescued a bunch of other robots from the dump as well.
  • Blah blah blah stuff happens host presumably infects all of the robots the girl rescued in the meantime.
  • Entity decides to slaughter child's entire family because lol.
  • Some other stuff presumably happens that we haven't been told yet
  • Entity decides to destroy the entire damn planet.
  • Entity finds out that other robots infected with it's virus can use it's own power against it for some reason???
  • Decides to stop that bullshit by sending it's new minions created from the assimilated manor drones to go kill all the motherfuckers.
  • At some point begins remote controlling goth robot's mommy on another human inhabited planet as they are researching her to try and stop the entity eventually resulting in an incident that kills all life on the planet.

And that's about where we are before the series begins. While there are still some holes and things that don't make sense for now I'm choosing to believe it's simply because the show has yet to explain deliberately how these things work. That and the way the show presents this plot to the viewer is garbage. Again, with some tweaks the show could've been interesting at the very least. Not anything oscar worthy but still.
 
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Trollblade69 said:
Rean's been cancelled. Details are in the Kiseki thread.
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I am not surprised and I and I think other posters here have said glitch will probably implode because of shit like this
Troons on the team, other unsavory people who likely have skeletons in their closet i assume work there as well, and with glitch inn, I would not be shocked if they become a magnet for this in a few years and eventually have to shut down
 
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Trollblade69 said:
Rean's been cancelled. Details are in the Kiseki thread.
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Sometimes I forget that no matter the person, almost everyone who's famous on the internet has an unhinged backstory to boot. Gosh darn it, I actually really loved his role as Prince Dali in Freedom Planet 1 too. (:_(

Big_Joey_41 said:
what do you think of this defense, y'all have a response to this?, because I'm going to be honest, a lot of the complaints I have seen on this thread to this show is "the plot is confusing", which it is, but thats part of the fun for these people
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There's a difference between a complex plot and an inconsistent plot, another comparison I would like to make is with the FNaF franchise. I know some people here dislike its plot, but I love it for one main reason: The games have a good (or at least serviceable) story on their own.

Even if you don't understand what's exactly going on with DA LORE!!1!, you can still enjoy on what's happening on screen. All of the games are you just being a night guard in an haunted pizzeria, and your job is to survive the killer animatronics roaming around. The series' plot becomes complex if you start looking deep into it, but you can still understand that there's ghosts, a killer of said ghosts, and a lot of awful events related to the Fazbear's brand.

Murder Drones? Why does it feels like it change its rules every episode? First and second episode showed how the workers were terrified at the presence of a murder drone, but then after episode 3 they were just fine with them? That russian girl who attempted to kill everyone (not even gonna bother searching her name) just roams around fine in the bunker unpunished? Why did V care so much about Uzi to sacrifice her life for her? Does any of the workers back in the bunker care that around 10 children just died in a prom party? or 10 more in a camping trip? If it's for the sake of comedy then why sometimes they seem to care when a character dies and sometimes they don't? When is a character death funny or not? Do I decide that? Does the show decides that?

Notice how I didn't even talk about the virus/eldritch horror thingy, because that aspect is probably the most consistent of the entire show, even though it came out of nowhere... which speaks how much "most consistent" really is for this show.

EDIT: It makes me think that the people who defend the show actually just love the idea of said show rather than the show itself. It's more fun to talk about the characters, the different concepts and events around Murder Drones than to actually watch Murder Drones. (See this thread for example)
 
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Big_Joey_41 said:
@Pliskin_72 listen man, good for you that you still somehow found a way to enjoy Murder Drones by now only ironically liking it, and not caring about anything else, but personally, I can't really do that , the comedy was always way too cringe, tryhardy, and reliant on lampshading, to the point its just grating to my ears and eyes, so no, I have to pass on your suggestion
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damn man, sucks you also can't seem to enjoy MD another way as well, and all the other people here also seemed to share the same sentiment, I came to KF in the first place in an attempt to convince the thread to still find entertainment value on it, even if the plot or story got ruined, i once had the same exact view of hating this show for many of the reasons already discussed

Dynamite Bean said:
what exactly does murder drones offer that is so good and unique I wouldn't find it in anything else? It''s so special I have to throw away everything I knew and look at it from a different mindset? Genuine question
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the story may have been a joke, but goddamnit i still really liked the character designs and the general aesthetic of the whole setting, say what you want, but Liam is a great artist through and through

and also the humor, obviously, I know that turns off a lot of people, but I find it endearing, it's the same energy as a lot of those animated internet videos you see on NG and YT
 
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the story may have been a joke, but goddamnit i still really liked the character designs and the general aesthetic of the whole setting, say what you want, but Liam is a great artist through and through
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I will agree with that, that the character designs and aesthetic of the setting are peak, their the things that drew me in the most and what I like the most still
 
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Big_Joey_41 said:
bringing another to topic, I have been searching for other places where MD is getting talked about, you people may be surprised to hear about this, but there are actually people who defend the current state of Murder Drones, they're not the majority of the fandom, from what I have seen, unlike @Pliskin_72 over there, they actually take the story very seriously, and they think it's better than most western animated shows out there, Liam's style of writing appeals to their tastes naturally, but interestingly they also kind of just flat out ignore or downplay the humor part of the show
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kek I know what place you're exactly talking about
Big_Joey_41 said:
what do you think of this defense, y'all have a response to this?, because I'm going to be honest, a lot of the complaints I have seen on this thread to this show is "the plot is confusing", which it is, but thats part of the fun for these people
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Murder Drones is not really THAT hard to understand to comprehend what's going on, @Bob Barbas gives a good rundown of the background lore most people should get even by just casually watching it, it's not like FNAF where most of the only lore you're getting is through those 2nd gen-style cutscenes, if I have to give the story some credit, and i mean genuinely, its one of those shows that usually avoids exposition as much as possible in favor of doing show, don't tell (except the pilot, but let's ignore that), that's quite rare in on itself, but in an animated horror-comedy?, impressive.

Murder Drones? Why does it feels like it change its rules every episode? First and second episode showed how the workers were terrified at the presence of a murder drone, but then after episode 3 they were just fine with them? That russian girl who attempted to kill everyone (not even gonna bother searching her name) just roams around fine in the bunker unpunished? Why did V care so much about Uzi to sacrifice her life for her? Does any of the workers back in the bunker care that around 10 children just died in a prom party? or 10 more in a camping trip? If it's for the sake of comedy then why sometimes they seem to care when a character dies and sometimes they don't? When is a character death funny or not? Do I decide that? Does the show decides that?
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You see why I'm saying you shouldn't bother questioning the plot anymore?, in the mind of the writer, funny meming will always take precedence over consistency, and as a result, Murder Drones turned into a giant wackfest of fun
 
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Pliskin_72 said:
its one of those shows that usually avoids exposition as much as possible in favor of doing show, don't tell (except the pilot, but let's ignore that), that's quite rare in on itself, but in an animated horror-comedy?, impressive.
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I mean it would be impressive if it actually used it properly and not 24/7.
Again it feels like they're trying to cram as much lore into each episode as possible without caring about flow or how it comes across to the viewer.
It might even seem somewhat confusing at times.

The difference between FNAF and MD though is that MD is a show whereas FNAF is a game series. You can get away with this kind of stuff in an interactive media where players are expected to be looking for that kind of stuff. It doesn't work as well imo in a show.
The average viewer, which is probably going to be most of your viewerbase at first isn't going to be micro analyzing every frame for the tiniest crumb of lore. They're going to be paying attention to what's happening on screen, what characters are saying or doing, ect.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is it's not really a super good method of dispensing lore in this context. I get the idea, but yeah imo it doesn't come across as well as it could have. Like most things with the show it feels misguided.
 
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