Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows - Abos had 12,000 years to develop medical science but instead still burn sticks to this day

Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows​

The two miniature fireplaces with trimmed sticks immediately after they were exposed by excavation in Cloggs Cave square R31, with the sticks’ bases not yet separated from the sediments in which they sit. Credit: Nature Human Behaviour (2024). DOI: 10.1038/s41562-024-01912-w
Two slightly burnt, fat-covered sticks discovered inside an Australian cave are evidence of a healing ritual that was passed down unchanged by more than 500 generations of Indigenous people over the last 12,000 years, according to new research.

The wooden sticks, found poking out of tiny fireplaces, showed that the ritual documented in the 1880s had been shared via oral traditions since the end of the last ice age, a study in the journal Nature Human Behaviour said on Monday.
The discovery was made inside Cloggs Cave in the foothills of the Victorian Alps in Australia's southeast, in a region long inhabited by the Gunaikurnai people.
When the cave was first excavated in the 1970s, archaeologists discovered the remains of a long extinct giant kangaroo that had previously lived there.
But the Gunaikurnai people were not involved in those digs, "nor were they asked for permission to do research there", lead study author Bruno David of Monash University told AFP.
Further excavations starting from 2020 included members of the local Gunaikurnai Land and Waters Aboriginal Corporation (GLaWAC).
Carefully digging through the soil, the team found a small stick poking out—then they found another one. Both well-preserved sticks were made from the wood of casuarina trees.
Each one was found in a separate fireplace around the size of the palm of a hand—far too small to have been used for heat or cooking meat.
The slightly charred ends of the sticks had been cut specially to stick into the fire, and both were coated in human or animal fat.
One stick was 11,000 years old and the other 12,000 years old, radiocarbon dating found.

'Memoirs of our ancestors'​

"They've been waiting here all this time for us to learn from them," said Gunaikurnai elder Russell Mullett, a co-author of the study and head of GLaWAC.
Mullett spent years trying to find out what they could have been used for, before discovering the accounts of Alfred Howitt, a 19th-century Australian anthropologist who studied Aboriginal culture.
Some of Howitt's notes had never been published, and Mullett said he spent a long time convincing a local museum to share them.
In the notes, Howitt describes in the late 1880s the rituals of Gunaikurnai medicine men and women called "mulla-mullung".
One ritual involved tying something that belonged to a sick person to the end of a throwing stick smeared in human or kangaroo fat. The stick was thrust into the ground before a small fire was lit underneath.
"The mulla-mullung would then chant the name of the sick person, and once the stick fell, the charm was complete," a Monash University statement said.
The sticks used in the ritual were made of casuarina wood, Howitt noted.
Jean-Jacques Delannoy, a French geomorphologist and study co-author, told AFP that "there is no other known gesture whose symbolism has been preserved for such a long time".
"Australia kept the memory of its first peoples alive thanks to a powerful oral tradition that enabled it to be passed on," Delannoy said.
"However in our societies, memory has changed since we switched to the written word, and we have lost this sense."
He lamented that the ancient animal paintings found in French caves would probably "never reveal their meaning" in a similar way.
Indigenous Australians are one of the oldest continuous living cultures, and Mullett said the discovery was a "unique opportunity to be able to read the memoirs of our ancestors".
It was "a reminder that we are a living culture still connected to our ancient past," he added.


The really astounding thing here is the distinct lack of scientific progress. It boggles the mind thinking that in 12,000 years they could not develop any form of medical science and instead keep burning sticks, without ever wondering why it's not working. You could probably leave them alone for another 12 thousand years and come back to find the same exact thing.
 
Australia isn't the best environment for civilization building; Jared Diamond covered that pretty well in Guns, Germs, and Steel. Much of their megafauna was wiped out due to not having evolved alongside any sort of humans (Australia was the first continent colonized by our species that no other species of humans had ever colonized). Additionally, extinct or not, there weren't really any candidates for domestication which would have helped as we saw that the Incans without having something analogous to horses were still able to make use of llamas and alpacas as beasts of burden and for their wool.

I actually find many aspects of Aboriginal culture to be interesting, such as the oft suggested idea that the Bunyip represents a trace memory of the extinct Diprotodont, the largest marsupial to ever live.
 
Yet their usage of said sticks suggests they have no awareness of those properties.

One ritual involved tying something that belonged to a sick person to the end of a throwing stick smeared in human or kangaroo fat. The stick was thrust into the ground before a small fire was lit underneath.
"The mulla-mullung would then chant the name of the sick person, and once the stick fell, the charm was complete," a Monash University statement said.

Compare that to other cultures from the same region who have actively been using these plants for medical purposes, rather than just ritual. It is pretty fascinating to see such a vast difference between people.
 
Abbo culture is probably the closest facsimile to Neanderthals we're ever going to find.
Incorrect, those are the island dwarves. Petrol huffers are like one above that in relation.
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I actually find many aspects of Aboriginal culture to be interesting, such as the oft suggested idea that the Bunyip represents a trace memory of the extinct Diprotodont, the largest marsupial to ever live.
Are you sure that's the bunyip? Maybe it's a regional thing, up here in Queensland the bunyip has no fixed form, it assumes the shape of whatever most terrifies the victims, and hides in plain sight by assuming the shape of nearby objects. Or maybe it could be that it always originally referred to the Diprotodont, but when they went extinct it gained memetic adaptation to explain why people still went mysteriously missing.
 
Genuinely interesting stuff. I am curious about what research could say about the historical development if we put aside the "everything was fine until the white man came" and look into the fact that Australia was about as enjoyable an environment as Mongolia without the neighbouring countries to invade and how that impacted the route the native culture took.

@Dyn not certain if you're browsing A&N enough to catch this or too busy casting bait in even easier waters. Also, remember. Roads are not for sleeping on.
 
Abbo culture is probably the closest facsimile to Neanderthals we're ever going to find.
Hey, don't insult Neanderthals like that. We have archaeological evidence, including skulls with clear indications of bone removal, replacement, and healing, that they were able to do successful brain trepanations.
 
Are you sure that's the bunyip? Maybe it's a regional thing, up here in Queensland the bunyip has no fixed form, it assumes the shape of whatever most terrifies the victims, and hides in plain sight by assuming the shape of nearby objects. Or maybe it could be that it always originally referred to the Diprotodont, but when they went extinct it gained memetic adaptation to explain why people still went mysteriously missing.
Don't get me lying. Just something I read in passing. May have just been speculation on the part of whomever wrote it and be something that doesn't have much support among academics.
 
One stick was 11,000 years old and the other 12,000 years old, radiocarbon dating found.

That is mindblowing. A whole extra thousand years go by and someone comes back and uses the same fireplace for the same ritual, is that what happened?

Aboriginal culture stuff is very interesting. I have noticed that it's very hard, in current year, to look up anything about it. Everything online has been scrubbed and sanitized to make them holy people who live in sacred ways and have incredible technology we just can't understand because we don't live in harmony with the land or what have you. If you ask an AI if the aboriginals practiced agriculture, it will tell you, oh yes, definitely, and then describe something that isn't agriculture, "fire-stick farming".

I'm curious why this movement to rewrite aboriginal culture as the most amazing has been so successful.

The last time I fell down this autism hole, a farmer pointed me in a direction that suggested that one region of Australia had natives who produced slightly more technology - they had eel traps or something. But everyone else seems to have lived in the early stone age permanently. I don't really buy the Jared Diamond model, because the natives of the North American far north lived in pretty inhospitable geography, but had by comparison unbelievable levels of technology. Isn't it the case that aboriginals didn't mix with other species of homo? What's going on there, genetically?

Anyway, "human fat", eh?
 
I am curious about what research could say about the historical development
Aboriginal cultures always had insanely strong taboos against breaking tradition. Everything was done the way it was always done. I don't think the cultural stagnation came from environmental or genetic limitations, I think it comes down to our religions and societies having terminally ultratraditional values, and taboo-governed band societies being more oppressive to the mind than any police state could ever hope to be.
 
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