Mega Rad Gun Thread

[likeacrackado]

How is a three shot group worthless? It's how you test consistency of your reloads, and how you dial in an optic, and test the quality of a rifle. Can you shoot more? Sure. Do you need to? No. If you get a 3 round group sub 1 MOA you're dialed.

Sorce? Every hunter who trust his rifle, and scope, and ammo.

The average hunter is lucky to mount his scope in the right direction. Manufacturers prefer 3 round groups because its easier to claim better accuracy and saves them time/money on ammo.

 

[LemonParty]

Too few data points, too easy to cherry pick, and does not take into account stringing from the barrel heating up. Three rounds is essentially shooting from a cold bore. Josh isn't talking about a PRS or bullseye gun, but a defensive one. I spent years out in the sticks, and know from experience that those three rounds are all those dudes fire all year.

I don't disagree with you that most of those guys don't get an animal most years. But it's still a useful metric because those hunters are probably only taking 3 shots cold at a deer or elk in a year.

I make rounds for buddies they give me their rifles, I gauge the gun for correct OAL and then make some bullets and test them. If I get a consistent 3 round group at 120 yards (my range is 120 not 100 yards) sub 1 MOA then the bullets are good, if my buddies miss it's on them.

It's not a "worthless" metric is all I'm saying.

 

[AGPinochet]

, a small SOT/FFL has announced their mission of bringing a .300 Blackout VSS Vintorez clone to market.

Apparently, the guy behind this is a (former, allegedly) pill and meth addict who has been doing some greasy shit (getting talked to by the ATF for allegedly doing NFA stuff without an SOT, trying to hide transactions from the IRS, maybe lying about guns being stolen and selling them on gunbroker) and has a horrible reputation in regards to interactions with customers


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There is a new, most interesting Product from Centurion Arms. The E4/ETB Tapered AR-15 bolt. It is designed to work only with "T" marked Centurion barrels or KAC SR-15 barrels

The E4 (The name in itself is curious, because PSA christened their enhanced bolt design that interfaced with a proprietary barrel extension the E4) featues enhanced lug geometry to promote extended bolt life. The item retails for only about $100 but remember, you need to buy in to a specific Centurion barrel system. I think this is curious because in only one year, two manufacturers have debuted enhanced bolt designs like that of which the KAC SR-15 has for so long lauded over the competition. Are we entering a new era, the Age of AR-15 2.0 in which slowly but surely we see a repeat of the transition from clam shell to free float, Pic rail to Keymod then Mlok? 20 years from now will ALL AR-15's come from the factory with a universally standard enhanced Bolt and matching barrel extension? I don't think such a thing is exactly impossible, The industry is capable of standardization seen most recently with the adoption of the HUB system for suppressor mounts.

KAC Revolver rifle and telescoping ammunition


KAC URX4 with cut out for FSB and an AEM5 slid under the rail


Washington LE Issued KS-3. I want to know how and who (maybe Department of Corrections? I can't make out what the rest of that patch says)

 

[Friedrich Hayek's Ghost]

It's not a "worthless" metric is all I'm saying.

You're correct. That was a poor choice of words on my part. It's the wrong metric to use for this application was what I meant. It's more useful for PRS type shooting than defensive.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I carry a glock 49 with 509t and 3 spare 20 round mags. But I'm not the average person. And the average person isn't a gun nut. The average person will simply not carry a gun if it's too big and heavy to integrate into their everyday life. If you want the average person to carry a gun every day, it has to be unnoticed, unintrusive, and comfortable.

I agree. The average person treats a gun like a magical talisman, doesn’t have training and doesn’t practice. In defense of that, many times simply showing a gun will solve their problems.

If you actually have to use the gun you might want to carry something you can shoot well.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Anyone by an off chance have recommendation for a setup/rifle with these issues or am I sorta fucked when it comes to rifles? Would it be better to lean on short guns/handguns? Are there any left ejecting rifles that are decent?

left handed rifles are slightly boutique but there are companies mentioned already that either adapt a right handed rifle for lefties or are entirely built for left handed use.

that being said, in the military left handed shooter are either forced to shoot right handed and if their eye dominance is on their left side, they turn their head more to the right to use the sights. or in more modern settings, you have a rifle already easily adapted to, or can be used left handed with only minor adjustments that are authorized. for the sport shooter, a left handed stag upper is a great option, they're like any other upper apart from a unique bolt and receiver to allow left handed ejection. controls on the AR-15 can also be swapped right to left without too much trouble.

for hunting rifles try Christianson Arms Ridgeline or Browning X-Bolt or Ruger's 10/22 which has a left handed model. most shotguns are already left handed friendly, but the Browning BPS might be more so than most.

In my experience, 3 shots is perfectly acceptable for the army, if for no other reason than everybody just wants to get the shit over with as fast as possible so why bother with five shots.

the US Army uses 5-round groups for slow fire zero since the 1950's. after zero you confirm the zero with 40 rounds and have to meet the performance goal (23/40 iirc is minimum pass). too many people i think zero and never confirm with a warm barrel or on weird weather days. for other weapons, the zero procedure differs as does the confirmation. the M249 for example uses 5 round bursts at 10 meters (and you set your sights at 700 meters, then mechanically zero and swivel the peep as needed), but the M60, when i qualified on that was single shots at 100 yards to zero, then 3-round burst at 300 yards to confirm.

 

[Devious Dave]

I really like Heritage revolvers (I know they're a cheap zinc alloy), but they're a lot of fun, and I've owned several. The Barkeep I have is my favorite, I've never had any issues with them until my most recent purchase. I was at Academy, and they had a Heritage Rancher Carbine on sale for $230. I got it and took it out to the range the same day. After firing some magnums, the barrel shot loose, so I had to bring it back, and they shipped it back to Heritage for repair. I should've just done it myself, but it's under warranty, so I might as well send it off.

It's a fun rifle to shoot, not the most practical thing as it's awkward to hold. The stock is really short, but after putting a pad on, it's easier for me to hold. I definitely wouldn't recommend it as someone's first or only .22 rifle, but I like being able to shoot magnums and LR out of the same gun.

(Example of how to hold it)

 

[SubarashiSundown]

Hey I was watching MATI and saw Josh was trying to start up a self defense thread/ board and he incorporated Mega Rad into it but is there another spot where people post I teach self-defense classes and would like to share some tips to Josh and others I’m a huge 2A supporter.

 

[Duke Nukem]

"British self defense" implies that they have the right to live.

This type of shit, is why I hate politicians.

 

[Seafarer]

Apparently, the guy behind this is a (former, allegedly) pill and meth addict who has been doing some greasy shit (getting talked to by the ATF for allegedly doing NFA stuff without an SOT, trying to hide transactions from the IRS, maybe lying about guns being stolen and selling them on gunbroker) and has a horrible reputation in regards to interactions with customers

A shame since he had a good concept going there. Maybe Brandon Herrera can use the concept better once he’s done with putting the AK-50 on the market.

 

[quaawaa]

The name in itself is curious, because PSA christened their enhanced bolt design that interfaced with a proprietary barrel extension the E4

I doubt they even know about the PSA bolt. It's most likely called the E4 because the SR-15's bolt is called the E3 and 4 is greater than 3. I would also guess that PSA used the same reasoning when coming up with their name.

It's also awesome to hear that that another manufacturer is making KAC compatible parts. KAC does not prioritize civilian sales at all and it can be extremely difficult to find parts for their stuff.

 

[Samhain]

KAC does not prioritize civilian sales at all

You aren't kidding. I've heard some nightmare tales about KAC's customer service when it comes to civilian customers. I think KAC is trying to increase their manufacturing so that civilian customers don't have to resort to buying from scalpers, but time will tell if they actually get anywhere with that.

 

[SAR545]

Nice thread, I own alot of stuff but the benelli mr1 (top ) is currently my main project. I love weird stuff,

 

[Dead Air]

Nice thread, I own alot of stuff but the benelli mr1 (top ) is currently my main project. I love weird stuff,

I remember when those came out and we all looked at ourselves and asked, "Why?" Definitely an oddball.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

I remember when those came out and we all looked at ourselves and asked, "Why?" Definitely an oddball.

Why not?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Ian did a video on the magazine-fed semi-auto revolver

 

[biglurker]

Label me REALLY late but I have been thinking..
Great Leader has decided to even consider .50 BMG & NFA items for self defense. So, It suddenly hit me that something a bit more practical would be a 37mm/40mm destructive device.
No, not using grenades that no one will sell to him. I am talking about using shot shells and maybe one of those Hornet's Nest rounds.
Example of both in use:

I can find Hornet's Nests pretty easily, but I couldn't find anyone that sold straight shotshells in 40mm. The best I could find is just reloadable shells, but I have no idea if they could be used for buckshot.
Hell, where even is the load data for 40mm shells? Also, are 37mm launchers (much cheaper and doesn't require NFA until you load lethal shells) even built strong enough for something like a shot shell?
Further more, as anyone ever tested them against body armor? This is assuming that a 40mm shot shell will put enough force into a plate to seriously hurt the user. How would it compare to 12 gauge shell Hornet's Nest loaded* with tungsten slugs?
*Edit:
Alright I misread a hornets nests variant as 12 gauge when it was only .410. Not sure if .410 can even be loaded to have enough ass behind it to pen anything more than soft body armor even with a tungsten slug.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Hornet's Nest

That's just a shitload of .22lr, I'd rather go with a 12 gauge using plain old 00 Buckshot slinging 9 ~.32 cal round balls at that rate.

The best I could find is just reloadable shells, but I have no idea if they could be used for buckshot.

Absolutely. Ratshot exists for pistol rounds, should be possible with anything using a case. Push comes to shove, shave down the brass and make plastic hulls to match so it has similar properties upon firing.

Further more, as anyone ever tested them against body armor?

Probably not. If you're talking the Hornet's Nest then it's not worth it since it's just .22lr.

 

[SAR545]

I remember when those came out and we all looked at ourselves and asked, "Why?" Definitely an oddball.

The only reason I have it was because I remember playing with it in Ghost Recon, Cross Fire and Alliance of Valiant Arms vidya when I was smol. It's more known as the Beretta RX4 STORM. Once I get it form 1 its gonna get chopped down to its proper 12.5 inch barrel config and threaded for a flash hider . Will post some more stuff from my collection later on.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Hell, where even is the load data for 40mm shells? Also, are 37mm launchers (much cheaper and doesn't require NFA until you load lethal shells) even built strong enough for something like a shot shell?
Further more, as anyone ever tested them against body armor? This is assuming that a 40mm shot shell will put enough force into a plate to seriously hurt the user. How would it compare to 12 gauge shell Hornet's Nest loaded with tungsten slugs?

40mm buckshot is specialized for jungle warfare for the most part and are outdated these days outside of removing mines or shattering windows to obscure vision, in 2003 the M576 was used handily to get rid of claymore clones and PMR mines in some cities and entrenched buildings where a grenade or thermite or something was too dangerous to use (friendlies nearby, modern office buildings have shit interior walls and doors, et c). if you actually had a breaching team or assault team, one guy would have a shotgun with breaching shells and that basically replaced using the 40mm for mine clearing on top of being overall better for dealing with locked doors or gates. they were never (to my knowledge) used for anti-personnel purposes after vietnam outside of USMC in the 80's in some limited engagements for urban warfare to delete police in Greneda (who didn't wear anything more that level 2 if that).

you can readily get subcaliber inserts for both 37mm and 40mm though (FTF Inc for example). doing so is "manufacturing" a destructive device or short barrel shotgun.