Trying not to power level. We’re having massive issues getting people back to the office. We don’t have hybrid contracts but people are crying that they had to cor in three days a week. I’m letting them hand themselves but if the annoy senior management enough they’ll be told to come in the five days.
Covid seems to have made people forget what professionalism is.
It depends. Also trying not to powerlevel, but I fought our RTO and won.
The reason was after some reshuffling of management, I was the only person from my team in the office. Everyone else was in another state or in one of four foreign countries. I can do my job from the lunar surface just as effectively as at a desk in a cube in the office. There was about zero point to being in the office.
Also due to IN & EU, everyone overseas LOVED filling 7am to 10am with meetings; bitch I am not getting up 4am to get into the office at 7am for a twice-a-week zoom with someone from India I don't even need to be in for. I will head in to the office after the last pointless & needlessly early meeting ends.
That said, I still try to get in 1-2 days a week unless sick or having a heavy project load. And I told my manager "If you need someone on site to meet a vendor or attend a meeting, I will do it no problem. But I'm not going into the office to just sit at desk when I have one at home."
And we also had plenty of people during COVID who did shit like go out into Yellowstone listing themselves as "At work" but only had very spotty cell service. Or several times I got a "I can't do that right now, I'm driving 7 hours to my in-laws. I'll see if I can get that when I get there". Bitch if you can't work, you are on vacation, so just take vacation.
One guy is asking if he can bring his dog to work. It’s fucking crazy.
My employer not just allows you bring (well behaved, no pibbles) your dog to work,it practically mandates if you have a dog to bring it to work. There is a dog run, dog treats in the main break rooms. Only about a dozen people out of over a thousand ever brought in their dogs though.
Everyone will roll their eyes, but its really diabolically clever.
If your dog is in the office with you, you don't need to leave work right at specific time to go home to feed them/let them out. Thus if you are in the middle of something you can just keep working. Its like the "free dinners" at Google that they don't start serving until 6:30.
I think this is the last straw for me. I’m sick of having to work with silly middle class lefty spastics. I can move sideways into a bigger team that seems more adult.
It’s something I’ve spoke about before, but the team I’m in was one of the most fantastic I’ve ever worked with, then we had a union agitator join and try all signed up and bought his bullshit.
Leftists, not even once.
Sorry for treating this thread like a therapy session.
One thing I've seen work:
It sounds like you're management or at least a team lead, so Sit down with the team one-on-one, all at one, or in small groups and figure out WHY they don't want to be in office. Also think hard about the real reason you want your team in office: are you a micromanaging douchebag, is your team actually failing to hit their numbers and something needs done, or is everyone doing their job to the letter but you just aren't seeing cross training/collaboration like you want to see?
So think about WHY you want this, think about GOALS this accomplishes, and be open to your team offering alternative methods of accomplishing those goals even if its not exactly what you want the way you want it.
Another team at my work the manager figured out their people just wanted to avoid being stuck in rush hour or stuck in the office till it thinned out, so they allowed people to come in late and head home early so long as they logged back in and made up the hours in the evening. Another manager just said "We are having a team meeting every Thursday. You are to be physically in that meeting unless sick or dead, unless you clear it with me first. Its a two hour meeting, same time every week, you can schedule around it. Other than that, do you work where you can get it done; you can roll in the meeting and then go right home after, but you WILL be there".
Another manager gave the advice, that certainly echoed with me, which was give people a reason to be in the office. She took anyone on her team who was in the office Tuesday and Thursday to an expensed lunch or had some basic catering brought in (sandwiches/burrito bar/etc), and tried to schedule all the sub-team & cross-team meetings those days. Another guy just made sure to have meetings and such scheduled during the 10-2 "core hours" so people could come late/leave early.
Edit: And another manager just discovered their people just hated the "open office" desks. So he got a couple of actual honest-to-god offices set up for double occupancy and reserved for his team's exclusive use with the caveat 'We got these offices on the understanding with MY management there will be at least one person in each office every day. You guys need work together to make sure that happens or we lose them'
If your team wasn't work shy faggots before, they probably didn't turn into them overnight. But they are also rational people and they aren't going to go through needless suffering wasting their lives in traffic because some jackhole in a tie wants to see serfs toiling their fields when he surveys his lands.
if you're just a another person in the trenches, yeah just leave. Its not going to get better.
Yep. Young people treating a job like a daycare is nauseating and a reason I LOVE seeing the big tech layoffs.
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Not for me but you make shit work or you find a new job.
When I was negotiating my RTO exception, I didn't feel like I was owed that. But I would have left my job if it wasn't granted and made it clear on that. HR decided I made a strong enough case and was hard enough to replace.
