US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Absolutego]

Kamala bros, I don't feel so good...
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I strongly dislike Harris but I do find it alarming how often polling suggests that likely voters would prefer a literal senile puppet front for a bunch of DC insiders over a woman who is cringe and inauthentic in interviews.

 

[Dr J]

I strongly dislike Harris but I do find it alarming how often polling suggests that likely voters would prefer a literal senile puppet front for a bunch of DC insiders over a woman who is cringe and inauthentic in interviews.

It's just incumbent advantage, that's all it is. If Biden weren't the incumbent he'd probably be doing worse than all of them

 

[ForTheHoard]

Kamala bros, I don't feel so good...
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I don't understand which demographic of people is willing to vote for Biden but not for Harris.

 

[tehpope]

I don't understand which demographic of people is willing to vote for Biden but not for Harris.

Older people who don't think a woman should be in charge. Blacks, Hispanics.

 

[Dr J]

I don't understand which demographic of people is willing to vote for Biden but not for Harris.

White working class

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

It's just incumbent advantage, that's all it is. If Biden weren't the incumbent he'd probably be doing worse than all of them

chomo joe actually has incumbency DISADVANTAGE because he's blamed for the mess going on the past 3 and a half years

cuckedmala also has incumbency disadvantage because she's his 'lieutenant'

Andy Beshear and Gretchen Whitmer would not have that same disadvantage, and if they're polling worse right now that's mainly from their percentage support not being as high due to lack of name recognition, but they wouldn't have incumbency disadvantage because they're not 'president' or 'vice president' or even in the administration.

Incumbency advantage is only a thing when domestic conditions are going well, like Nixon in 1972, Reagan in 1984, Clinton in 1996. Or if there's a war going on and people don't want to change captains, like for Bush in 2004.

Obama had incumbency *dis*advantage in 2012 because he couldn't live up to the hype of 2008 and the economy was still mediocre, though you can argue that he didn't have to face a competitive primary like Willard 'Mitt' Romney did. Trump had incumbency *dis*advantage in 2020 because of the scamdemic, but it would've been incumbency advantage without it. Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George HW Bush in 1992 had incumbency disadvantage because of poor economic conditions.

 

[Gehenna]

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This actually follows the ruling itself where they said that anything already on the docket won't be weighed by Chevron's dismissal. Thomas' dissent is more or less a nicely worded "But why the hell should we" with Gorsuch being an out and out "Challenge it again, on that basis".

I for one support the idea of requiring people to challenge again with its repeal in mind because it will lead to more concise and focused argumentation which will help to further define the limits in a post-loper America. And that is actually important. By requiring them to redo it and aim at that decision they will be able to slowly create reinforcing precedent as well as establish more of what agencies can and cannot do.

I strongly dislike Harris but I do find it alarming how often polling suggests that likely voters would prefer a literal senile puppet front for a bunch of DC insiders over a woman who is cringe and inauthentic in interviews.

It goes a bit beyond just being cringe and inauthentic. The woman has the uncanny ability to make you recoil in distastes any time she actually speaks. Nobody sees her and doesn't dislike her just a little bit more. There is a reason I and @Jaimas use the term "Charisma Black Hole" because it goes well beyond merely lacking charisma into something entirely on its own level. Some sort of anti-charisma.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

"In public he's a retard, but in private he's really smart!"

Someone remind the Democrats that's the exact same thing people said about George W Bush, but it didn't stop Obama/Biden campaign from calling him the WORST PREZ EVER that needed to be deposed.

(The difference is people from both sides said that about Bush, and he wasn't older than the Cryptkeeper, he was just goofy in public.)

The Dems were actually playing that card about Al Gore as well. Talking up how he was always 'the smartest person in the room'.

 

[draggs]

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This is the way of John Roberts. Issue landmark decision, allow the lower courts to endlessly chip away at it afterwards. The man is a shit-stirrer who loves to stir the shit then run away as fast as he can

 

[Absolutego]

The Dems were actually playing that card about Al Gore as well. Talking up how he was always 'the smartest person in the room'.

Isn't him or someone else in the party going on that tangent, in fact, where the meme that he invented the internet came from?

 

[Trust Me I Know]

Isn't him or someone else in the party going on that tangent, in fact, where the meme that he invented the internet came from?

In response to Wolf Blitzer asking Gore why he was a better candidate than primary opponent Bill Bradley

GORE: Well, I will be offering - I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.
But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

During a quarter century of public service, including most of it long before I came into my current job, I have worked to try to improve the quality of life in our country and in our world. And what I've seen during that experience is an emerging future that's very exciting, about which I'm very optimistic, and toward which I want to lead.

 

[Dr J]

chomo joe actually has incumbency DISADVANTAGE because he's blamed for the mess going on the past 3 and a half years

Yes but his advantage is that he's a known quantity. You know exactly what you're going to get if you vote to re-elect him, he's not some wild card whose policies and administration may end up being wildly different (and worse)

Incumbency advantage is only a thing when domestic conditions are going well

A successful administration certainly helps the incumbent advantage but even a mediocre administration benefits from the fact that A) they're known. You know what they're gonna do and B) because of term limits, if they fuck everything up they can't run ever again

 

[errforceonezz]

What's the primary contributing factor to this shitshow? I knew most politicians were retarded, but not this retarded.

I think originally the plan was to take the presidency, wait a few weeks and then open the economy and claim that you fixed everything by 'locking down the right way for 2 weeks' or whatever equally retarded phrasing they would have used. It was a free win, just open back up and take credit for the economic recovery, as dumb as that is the entire media would have had their backs on that.
What actually ended up happening was that the vaccine suddenly became unexpectedly "ready" some time between when they declared biden the winner and inauguration day. This lead to a shift in mentality, they realized they could make tons of money off of the vaccine. So they ended up using mandates and threats of lockdowns for 2 years to profiteer off of a vaccine that did nothing at all. By the time that became politically ineffective it was too late to just let the economy recover on its own.

 

[Absolutego]

I think originally the plan was to take the presidency, wait a few weeks and then open the economy and claim that you fixed everything by 'locking down the right way for 2 weeks' or whatever equally retarded phrasing they would have used. It was a free win, just open back up and take credit for the economic recovery, as dumb as that is the entire media would have had their backs on that.
What actually ended up happening was that the vaccine suddenly became unexpectedly "ready" some time between when they declared biden the winner and inauguration day. This lead to a shift in mentality, they realized they could make tons of money off of the vaccine. So they ended up using mandates and threats of lockdowns for 2 years to profiteer off of a vaccine that did nothing at all. By the time that became politically ineffective it was too late to just let the economy recover on its own.

Everyone involved already knew the vax was being fast-tracked and would be a staple part of whichever administration's COVID policy by the time of the conventions. Operation Warp Speed was conducted in such a way that the NIH and FDA basically leaked like a sieve to the friendly outlets they preferred.
There's a reason after some initial bluster during the primaries about "never taking the Trump vax" Democrats almost universally shut up about it over the course of the summer.

The economy got fucked because after taking office I think even Biden's staffers realized this shit was on life support and just floored it on any policy they supported to try and make sure it couldn't be undone later.

 

[Dr J]

The economy got fucked because after taking office I think even Biden's staffers realized this shit was on life support and just floored it on any policy they supported to try and make sure it couldn't be undone later.

The economy got fucked because Biden's staff is incompetent and they honestly thought covid totalitarianism, when most normal people had covid fatigue at this point, was a politically popular and viable strategy

 

[Absolutego]

The economy got fucked because Biden's staff is incompetent and they honestly thought covid totalitarianism, when most normal people had covid fatigue at this point, was a politically popular and viable strategy

Lockdowns impacted the economy a lot less than printing another 50% of our money supply as kickback to political donors via the Inflation Reduction Act, which is why the biggest boogeyman this administration keeps fighting is inflation specifically and cost of living in general.

 

[Betonhaus]

Lockdowns impacted the economy a lot less than printing another 50% of our money supply as kickback to political donors via the Inflation Reduction Act, which is why the biggest boogeyman this administration keeps fighting is inflation specifically and cost of living in general.

don't forget immediately cancelling projects like the pipeline which would've created jobs, oh and opening the border so wide that there were cities worth of migrants huddling under bridges and such.

 

[Dr J]

Lockdowns impacted the economy a lot less than printing another 50% of our money supply

It's not just the lockdowns but the authoritarian mandates. The masks, the social distancing and, the worst one of all, the vaccine mandates. We were told repeatedly during the pandemic that we had to stay inside because even a 1% death rate would be devastating to the workforce and the economy. Well, that ignores a lot of mitigation and other factors concerning how viruses actually work. But far many more people took the vaccine than were ever exposed to covid. How many of those same people now can't work because they've been injured or are literally fucking dead, and there was absolutely no need for it, except that Biden is a petty tyrant and being 'tough' on covid is literally all he ever had to recommend him.

the Inflation Reduction Act, which is why the biggest boogeyman this administration keeps fighting is inflation specifically and cost of living in general.

Well, this just goes to my point that Biden's people are incompetent. In addition to giving kickbacks to his criminal friends, he broke a lot of good things about the Trump economy purely to spite Donald Trump. The irony of course is that very little of presumably hurt Donald Trump personally, it's the people who suffer. Just another in a long list of reasons why this demented sack of shit does not deserve to be re-elected

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

I love how Democrats pretend to be the party of the working class and socialist revolutionaries while also being viscerally disgusted by anybody who doesn't work a useless job in a big city.

Biden's campaign slogan should be "Let' them eat cake".