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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Exit poll was about what I was expecting, but we're now not getting home straightforwardly from Central London. I'm thinking we're going to meander as the results come in, instead of getting a cab.
 
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British dumb cunts are voting labour into power to get back at the "Conservative" party. Pretty much condemning Britain into becoming an Islamic country. Still, at least we're not speaking German, eh?

Fucking dumb cunts.
 
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The rest of Europe seems to be getting far more nationalistic, at least from here in America. Would one of you fine folks explain to me how Labor is winning there when the Left has to scramble to beat the “Alt-Right” in France and Italy? I kind of assumed, and had hoped, the feeling was growing everywhere in Europe.
 
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Dolphin Fish said:
The rest of Europe seems to be getting far more nationalistic, at least from here in America. Would one of you fine folks explain to me how Labor is winning there when the Left has to scramble to beat the “Alt-Right” in France and Italy? I kind of assumed, and had hoped, the feeling was growing everywhere in Europe.
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I'm pretty sure it's a pendulum swing. "You were in charge, and I don't like how things have gotten worse, so I'm voting the opposite of you." Lots of Europe was lib-left/centrist so they're flipping, whereas we had right/centrist spiralling right and we flip the other direction.
 
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Dolphin Fish said:
Would one of you fine folks explain to me how Labor is winning there
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1) Low turnout
2) General fatigue from a Tory government who have been in power for 14 years and have accomplished fuck all and generally turned out to be Labour but with speed bumps

Basically, the ruling Tory government is not conservative, never was conservative and goes out of its way to thwart any conservative policy, while doing nothing to push back on pre-existing Labour policy and, in some cases, going out of their way to implement Labour policy positions. The result is exactly what you've got. Labour aren't winning this election, the Tories are losing it.
 
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Dolphin Fish said:
The rest of Europe seems to be getting far more nationalistic
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The majority of Europe has also had a more left leaning governments in power, it's a matter of people just being sick of those who are in control and so are voting for the other side, people will at some point get tired of them and vote for the other side and that'll continue on like a pendulum. So that's one reason people are voting for Labour and not Conservative, another has just been the poor decision making and the absolute hatred for Rishi Sunak, he was never voted in but was brought in as a substitute for a substitute.

I think the closest we have to a nationalistic party that is actually gathering votes is the Reform party, but their plan is not to get into power but rather to gain the votes that the Conservatives have basically thrown away and use that push to gain momentum in future elections and become a main force within the political sphere.
 
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Dolphin Fish said:
The rest of Europe seems to be getting far more nationalistic, at least from here in America. Would one of you fine folks explain to me how Labor is winning there when the Left has to scramble to beat the “Alt-Right” in France and Italy? I kind of assumed, and had hoped, the feeling was growing everywhere in Europe.
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Dr J said:
1) Low turnout
2) General fatigue from a Tory government who have been in power for 14 years and have accomplished fuck all and generally turned out to be Labour but with speed bumps

Basically, the ruling Tory government is not conservative, never was conservative and goes out of its way to thwart any conservative policy, while doing nothing to push back on pre-existing Labour policy and, in some cases, going out of their way to implement Labour policy positions. The result is exactly what you've got. Labour aren't winning this election, the Tories are losing it.
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Conserving the social order has always meant whatever benefits those at the top, because the whole system is designed to do that, and previously there wasn't rampant immigration, AI and digitalisation, which pushes things even further in favour of the ownership class. When people say the conservative party is not conservative - what do you even mean? when did the party that started during a succession crisis in favour of preserving dynastic wealth ever do anything but what's best for the dynastic wealth holders? They conserve wealth for those who already have it.

I think Labour is a slightly centre-left bunch of neolibs and the tories are a slightly centre-right bunch of neolibs but we've got to start somewhere in moving away from neoliberalism and as the last 14 years have shown, tories aren't it. I don't know if the alt-right parties in Europe are just angry centrists who feel ignored but they seem like they've got actual far-right beliefs and I'm not sure Reform does. Remember that fascism/nazism wasn't popular with the public here, it was popular with the aristocracy, so we literally don't have the political framework in the same way. Oswald Moseley was a baronet and Diana Mitford was the daughter of a baron, and they were the league of fascists, there was never any grass roots far right political movement here. Reforms imo are just a bunch of ex-cons angry that they don't have enough influence within the tories, they're not a new far right political movement either. You can be a bigger fish if you move to a smaller pond and imo Reform is the smaller pond version of the tories ... I think their promises to put pressure on labour for a stronger stance on immigration will fall apart post-actual election results and any time they get asked why they'll just go labour majority, what do you want us to do. I literally think they're grifters.

As I've pointed out in this thread before, being anti-immigration because it undercut the value of the british working classes' labour was a position of the historical left. All pro-immigration sentiment has come from the post WW2 ruling class, with the working class voting against it and being ignored, and if you look at the chart there have been more tory governments since ww2 than labour:

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Labour's plan on immigration, which is basically open doors, is the only real difference between them in my eyes. The funny thing is that the Tories have let millions in anyway so the whole thing is a wash. The only hope is that Labour fucks up badly and poisons the well for themselves (just like the conservatives have) and the country can finally get out of this false dichotomy and vote for the only man who can save the UK and Europe, a resurrected cyborg mecha Hitler.
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Ah, the British version of "We're trying (not really)" versus "just take it up the arse".
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I'm torn, I was going to swap avatar to Kier but Farage has so many hysterical faces I am really tempted.
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I've got this for you instead.

Question for any folks understanding about the NI situation. What exactly is the Alliance party supposed to represent? The we don't give a shit just go make money types? Or a new rendition of United Irishmen?
Cheers from across the pond. Maybe you'll get your own Independence (Treason) day from the current rendition of terrible government over there soon...
 
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Tragon Dirtle said:
Conserving the social order has always meant whatever benefits those at the top, because the whole system is designed to do that, and previously there wasn't rampant immigration, AI and digitalisation, which pushes things even further in favour of the ownership class. When people say the conservative party is not conservative - what do you even mean? when did the party that started during a succession crisis in favour of preserving dynastic wealth ever do anything but what's best for the dynastic wealth holders? They conserve wealth for those who already have it.
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You're talking about a different type of conservatism. You're talking about small c 'conservatism', where the status quo is maintained. In that sense the Tory party are 'conservative', as mentioned they're simply Labour with speed bumps. What most critics of the Tory Party want is large C 'Conservatism', i.e. where they fight to preserve our traditions, culture, customs, values. The Tory Party is, in this respect, not remotely Conservative
 
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FPTP is weird. Labour are sweeping these with +5% to +7% but the Tories are losing them by -30% to -37%. Protest voting did extremely well: highest vote for not-Labour, not-Tory for over a century.

Bog standard turnout ~60%. Tories rout but not completely, Labour in with a very comfortable majority, and Farage enters Westminster at long last as MP for Clacton.

Equally of note: Norfolk protest flipped Green, fucking Hell. How many Palestinians live in Norwich? And Reform unseated Ian Paisley Jr in Norn, what the fuck? How?

Still no news on Jess Phillips.
 
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As expected, Labour won. Looks like the Conservatives didn't get as low seats as some predicted. Apparently Reform comes 3rd in the popular vote, but only has 4 seats.
 
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