Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Ewan McGregor]

Which is why doing another Dark Empire for the sequels was so surprising, I was under the impression that we all understood it to be crap and harmed the integrity of the character arcs back then!

Not Disney, not.

Not J. J. Abrams.

I seriously doubt he even thought of Dark Empire.

He just thought Palpatine was a beloved character that lifted up the prequels so he wanted him back.

 

[The Ugly One]

Title	Budget	Box Office	Inflation	Title	Budget	Box Office
The Phantom Menace	$115 Million	$1.046 billion	$1488.11 billion	The Force Awakens	$447 million	$2.071 billion
Attack of the Clones	$115 Million	$653.8 million	$890.83 million	The Last Jedi	$300 million	$1.334 billion
Revenge of the Sith	$113 million	$864.4 million	$1131.54 billion	Rice of Skywalker	$416 million	$1077 billion

Those numbers show the least popular movie of all of these was Attack of the Clones. Which somehow you conclude everyone loved? I genuinely can't follow the story you're trying to tell from the box office receipts.

The numbers seem to line up pretty well with my story of Ep I sucking, resulting in plenty of people passing on Ep II, then Ep III getting good enough reviews to get a bunch of the lost butts back in seats. Personally, I don't know anyone who loves the prequels and was at least a year or two into puberty by the time they came out.

Were you by any chance a child in 1999?

 

[LovisXVI]

Not Disney, not.

Not J. J. Abrams.

I seriously doubt he even thought of Dark Empire.

He just thought Palpatine was a beloved character that lifted up the prequels so he wanted him back.

Would be funny if it ended up being convergent evolution to create garbage Star Wars content

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Not Disney, not.

Not J. J. Abrams.

I seriously doubt he even thought of Dark Empire.

He just thought Palpatine was a beloved character that lifted up the prequels so he wanted him back.

I was under the impression that Iger was the one that demanded Palpatine because of name recognition and JJ shrugged because the commissioner of his "art" demanded it.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Would be funny if it ended up being convergent evolution to create garbage Star Wars content

Considering that it coverges on "fucking up the main character of your saga" that actually makes perfect sense. Terminator has had this problem too.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Those numbers show the least popular movie of all of these was Attack of the Clones. Which somehow you conclude everyone loved? I genuinely can't follow the story you're trying to tell from the box office receipts.

Big expectation for TPM, much less interest on AotC but regained interest for RotS.

Big expectation for TFA, interest halved for TLJ and less people cared for RoS. A lot of people did not care to see how stuff would be wrapped.

In other words, The prequels got people back for the finale, the sequels lost half its people.

But I will give it to you that I thought the prequel box office would be better and that the sequel box office would be worse.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

I did nominally enjoy Andor and that’s because it doesn’t feel like Star Wars and it doesn’t have Dave Filoni’s mediocre writing in it.

Stories that don't touch on the core mythology like X-Wing books and comics are often better than stories that do.

Big expectation for TFA, interest halved for TLJ and less people cared for RoS.

They also kept RoS in theaters for much longer than expected to get that billion.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

AOTC was the worst prequel. Looked like it was filmed through a Vaseline bukkake and had the shoddiest effects in the saga. Also Dooku's stunt double vs Everyone was a letdown after Duel of the Fates.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Even the political scenes aged better than anything in the Sequel trilogy. You've got a corporation that represents itself in the Senate totally saying they did nothing wrong when they invaded Space Italy and it revealed just how weak the Republic is. Then people look to an authoritarian strong man to fix the massive succession crisis created by the corporations and root for the death of the Republic in the process. Fast forward to IRL, corporations are pseudo-countries that manipulate America into a lame and gay empire and wage wars in places no one's ever heard of for the vaguest of reasons while regular people root for anyone to fix this state of affairs and don't care much how it's done. And I don't agree with Lucas's politics or what he points as the causes. No, it isn't Nixon overthrowing the Republic. If anything, Nixon is Valorum and was forced to resign in disgrace by the Queen he tried to help.

The Sequel trilogy, even at its Platonic ideal, is fundamentally a childish understanding of society. The First Order are bad because Nazis. The New Republic is good because they get blown up. Rey is good because she can do no wrong. How did this state of affairs come to be? Just like everything else in JJ fiction, it doesn't matter. And I blame RLM for it because they complained about the space politics.

Yeah the relevance of the prequels doesn't need to be stated because it's always going to be understandable, but the irrelevance of the Sequels is always fun to examine. The FO is clearly a standin for Nazi Germany, to a greater extent than the OG Empire but they're run by clowns. Despite this, they somehow have the manpower and resources to build a third Death Star that can blow up solar systems. Oh and they kidnap children en masse to serve as soldiers and no one seems to be able to stop that process.

The only faction that can stop them is the dominant galactic power who, for some reason, is completely demilitarized and perfectly fine with letting an insurgent group run wild. From top to bottom, the politics of the sequels make no sense unless you're the dumbest California Liberal in the world.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

The FO is clearly a standin for Nazi Germany, to a greater extent than the OG Empire but they're run by clowns.

Typical lefty thinking. The enemy (Trump) is pure overwhelming evil capable of taking over the galaxy, but also a buffoon nowhere near as smart as a liberal democrat.

Any particular genres you are looking for, and do you care if the story relies on supplemental information to get the whole picture?

I can talk about the games I have played though:

• Battlefront 1 and 2 (Classic): great multiplayer shooters, can use gameranger to still play multiplayer matches easily, cheap
• Dark Forces/Jedi Knight Series: schizophrenic genre flipping, but great, action games starts out with probably the best DoomClone, moves over to a shooter/3rd person melee full 3d game in Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight, which is then followed up with the great sequel Dark Forces 3: Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast, then the best of the series, Dark Forces 4: Jedi Knight 3: Jedi Outcast 2: Jedi Academy.
• The Empire at War series: probably the best Star Wars RTS
• KotOR 1 and 2: I have spoken about them often, great cRPGs, KotOR 2 is frankly the best Star Wars story ever made, and a genuine subversion and deconstruction that manages to not fuck up the world and not come off as mean spirited.
• SWtOR: The MMO, I really like it, has 8 main stories, a unique questline for every planet and 2 great expansions (Eternal Empire stuff is a matter of personal taste, I don't care for it). If you only play one, go Sith Warrior.
• Jedi Fallen Order: A metroidvania souls like, good, but it is Disney canon
• Lego Star Wars: if you are feeling nostalgic for your childhood or want just a good fun collectathon game, they do still hold up.
• Republic Commando: good tactical FPS

I'm not seeing the GOAT on there: Jedi Power Battles.

 

[el bandito loco]

I'm not seeing the GOAT on there: Jedi Power Battles.

dreamcast version is a masterpiece. play as ki adi mundi his jump is necessary in some parts.

ps1 phantom menace itself is also awesome

 

[Ewan McGregor]

they're run by clowns

For whatever galaxy-brained reason, this was intentional.

for some reason, is completely demilitarized

The reason is "we needed a new Rebel Alliance".

the politics of the sequels make no sense unless you're the dumbest California Liberal in the world

There are no politics in the sequels, no worldbuilding or depth. To paraphrase Lisa Simpson, they're taking out the 'boring stuff' and bringing up muh X-Wings and... Pretty much that was it, a couple of model X-Wings like in the old days was enough to sell the drivel that was TFA.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

dreamcast version is a masterpiece. play as ki adi mundi his jump is necessary in some parts.

ps1 phantom menace itself is also awesome

I remember making a commotion at Tatooine in the PS1 TPM game just for the lulz like this.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The reason is "we needed a new Rebel Alliance".

As much as we call Filoni a hack fraud and Favreau slowing sinking his luster, that is the reason why they have to write the New Republic as wildly incompetent. Instead of lazily plagiarizing the novels like they planned, they have to make them dumber than the space Nazis in order to get to the Sequel trilogy.

 

[el bandito loco]

I remember making a commotion at Tatooine in the PS1 TPM game just for the lulz like this.

my dad, brother and I used to laugh our asses off doing shit like this in that game. my dad in particular used to crack me up the most, I liked going to that level in the gungan city and just force pushing around the gungan kids and women before killing them. there are things this guy did specifically in this video I can specifically remember my dad doing and us dying laughing, like the thermal detonator guy and following that twilek whore in that building and just murdering her and max rebo. god I love that game. it's funny to think about now but the first time I played GTA 3 and just ran around doing whatever I wanted that's the first thing I thought of was this phantom menace game.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

dreamcast version is a masterpiece. play as ki adi mundi his jump is necessary in some parts.

ps1 phantom menace itself is also awesome

They loved The Phantom Menace's story so much they based three games on it: The Phantom Menace, Jedi Power Battles and Obi-Wan. And I'm not counting edutainment game Jar Jar's Journey.

 

[Weltraumfürst]

They loved The Phantom Menace's story so much they based three games on it: The Phantom Menace, Jedi Power Battles and Obi-Wan. And I'm not counting edutainment game Jar Jar's Journey.

Don't forget about Episode I Racer and that game where the goal was balancing Naboo's ecosystem.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Don't forget about Episode I Racer and that game where the goal was balancing Naboo's ecosystem.

I only listed ones strictly following the movie's plot. If you mean ones set in the same time period - there is Battle for Naboo (Rogue Squadron spin-off), Racer, Starfighter, Gungan Frontier (ecosystem simulator), Pit Droids (fun little puzzle game), Yoda's Challenge, Anakin's Speedway and Jar Jar's Journey (last three being very basic edutainment games for very young kids).
EDIT. And of course Super Bombad Racing - a cart racer.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Disney is nuking audience scores for their D+ Star Wars and Marvel shows. Netflix shows are also losing their audience scores.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Disney is nuking audience scores for their D+ Star Wars and Marvel shows. Netflix shows are also losing their audience scores.

Just more desperation on their part.