Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

Autistic Nonetheless said:
Mallory is now safely a has-been. While Joe has never even been in the first place. Neither ever found the right voice to keep people entrained, or stick around, and having read through some of their latest output, neither seems to be getting better with practice.
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Joe has always been a few years too late, and too unoriginal, to ride an edge to be notable. Even the double troon out with Mallory was about ten years too late to be interesting or notable.

Joe’s body is like a flesh testament to poorly thought out fads that he hopped onto.

They seem to only fully engage once there little actual risk and enough “liberal” social consensus that they will get the prerequisite amount of asspats desired. Lilly seemed to get tired of being a lesbian once plain old cis gays became so pedestrian and accepted.

If he actually detransitions, like announces it publicly rather than just being an obvious sloppy man that gave up trying, it will be after it could garner any legitimate controversy. I tend to think Joe will just revert to being a sloppy guy that occasionally wears a dress. Seems about his speed.

Like most BPD types seems to tire of anyone, any idea or anything after 3-4 years. Besotted then bored. This is extra sad for Rocco, esp if Lilly doesn’t actually want to be a full time mommy because she’s not going to have a choice down the road. The trouple house playing won’t last four years, nevermind 18.
 
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behindyourightnow said:
He really does seem to be going for the stealth detransition, doesn't he?
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Yeah, he does seem to be quietly detransitioning for sure. Maybe Rocco knocked some sanity into him and maybe Joe isn't quite as selfish as I thought 🌈. Then again, maybe is becoming more of a slob now that he doesn't need to perform for all those fancy big city qweers.
 
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GloriousScarf said:
Yeah, he does seem to be quietly detransitioning for sure. Maybe Rocco knocked some sanity into him and maybe Joe isn't quite as selfish as I thought 🌈. Then again, maybe is becoming more of a slob now that he doesn't need to perform for all those fancy big city qweers.
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Far more likely for him to detransition because impotence started freaking him out, or maybe because he realized that if he's a 2 as a man he's a solid -12904 as a woman, than because he gives a shit about doing right by his kid.
 
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He said something about no longer taking E some half a year before the kid. And the way he's been looking my guess is he's been off've it for a year and a half, if not more.
Even his 'I never said i was a woman' shtick suggests a sneaky change in his commitment to the whole 'be gay do crime' basic alt-lib esthetic he was cultivating.
Besides if there is no such thing as female then there is nothing wrong with him dressing and looking like a man. BOOM! Total dialectic triumph. Small brain kiwi's felled.

Also, and again with almost perfect comic consistency, Mallory is the one left dealing with the irreversible consequences.
 
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Autistic Nonetheless said:
Besides if there is no such thing as female then there is nothing wrong with him dressing and looking like a man. BOOM! Total dialectic triumph. Small brain kiwi's felled.
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Hits right at the heart of contradictions in the trans rights arguments "I want boobs and hole to look like a woman" "oh, but what it is a woman, I'm a woman and I have a penis, why would I get a hole and boobs."
(I know vaginas aren't holes, stink ditches are though)

"Some women dress like shit and are still women, why do I have to wear dresses and makeup to be a woman, I want to dress like shit I'm still a woman"

Anyway this fat man (always given off creepy Neil Gaiman vibes, tbh) is about to rebrand these contradictions as the new trans rules.
 
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GloriousScarf said:
Yeah, he does seem to be quietly detransitioning for sure. Maybe Rocco knocked some sanity into him and maybe Joe isn't quite as selfish as I thought 🌈. Then again, maybe is becoming more of a slob now that he doesn't need to perform for all those fancy big city qweers.
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His heart hasn't been in it for a long while, even before Rocco.

I have a theory that unlike most AGPs, who don't worry much about social consensus as long as they can bully their way into women's bathrooms and force service workers to call them "ma'am," Joe genuinely cares about what people think of him. He's always wanted to fit in among the cool kids. I think he read the room (incorrectly) at the time he transitioned and genuinely thought transition was his ticket to being cool and interesting among all the people he'd always wanted to impress.

At some point--maybe around the time of the failed Helen Joyce debate--he seemed to realize that there was a high level of TERFiness (or at least tranny-indifference) among the sections of the British intellectual class he wanted to impress, and that it was never going away: no matter how much Joe argued and sneered and pirouetted, they were not going to be impressed. In fact, most of them seemed to be laughing at him.

He looked around and realized his social status had not exactly risen in America either (Americans might be less terfpilled than the Brits are, but I can't imagine that Joe got more attention and acceptance as a fat crossdresser in a muumuu than he did as a skinny academic with a British accent)

He couldn't admit he was wrong, though. Admitting you were wrong about transition is almost impossible for anyone (which is part of why it's such a successful cult) but for a insecure narc like Joe? Never. So he started gradually pulling away, doing things like claiming "I never actually said I was a woman" and giving up on the muumuus. Now he barely seems to bother shaving his face.

(And before anyone gives me rainbows, no I don't believe Joe has actually learned anything. It has just dawned on him that being a cringey crossdresser is not benefiting him personally)

Larry David's Opera Cape said:
Far more likely for him to detransition because impotence started freaking him out, or maybe because he realized that if he's a 2 as a man he's a solid -12904 as a woman, than because he gives a shit about doing right by his kid.
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Oh yeah, I bet impotence was a huge factor as well

He thought he was going to be a queer sex god, stunning the ladies with his subversive nonconformity, and ended up a fatty with a broken dick lmao
 
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Bookwork said:
How can you tell?
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Ev'body go awwww. Rocco can scroll back someday through the family snaps and treasure this adorbs pieta with his mama dearest.
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Spot the difference.
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behindyourightnow said:
(And before anyone gives me rainbows, no I don't believe Joe has actually learned anything. It has just dawned on him that being a cringey crossdresser is not benefiting him personally)
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Just like he realized that marrying Mallory The Writer did not get him clout, and neither did humiliating and negging her in front of "cooler" people. You would think he would pick partners who at least have a social milieu to mingle in, from which vantage point he could monkey bar into a better climate. But he went for the most doormat personalities imaginable, so that even their small talents inevitably wither as they become more self-obsessed and more incapable of impressing anyone.
 
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Were we aware of Tard Baby’s starter marriage?

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I was married to a friend of a friend in Christian college for nine days and six months because we kept daring each other on a night out

the nine days was for the joke but the six months was because the state of California made us wait before granting the divorce to make sure we thought it through

Prop 8 had just passed so the vibe was very much "can you BELIEVE we could just GET MARRIED because you're a BOY and I'm a GIRL," which was the style at the etc

also we both had girlfriends at the time and mine thought it was kind of funny and his did not. It was not worth the administrative hassle nor upsetting two very nice girlfriends!

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This no doubt impressed upon Mal the importance of thinking about major life decisions thoroughly. Alas, she just isn’t that good at thinking.

The second, better husband is meanwhile boosting Tard Baby’s new book about women by comparing it to the work of two women authors. Much manly.

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The whole Listicles For English Majors thing was...acceptable and had an audience but IDK how that style would make you want to read a novel. Reminds me of Lindsay Ellis writing Transformers fanfic instead of a nonfiction guide to movies.

The audacity to write about woman as an FTM. I know it's make-work but god damn. That Sady Doyle comp on the last page nailed it. There's no audience at the end of the Millennial Feminist to FTM pipeline.
 
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Grace is such a baffling lolcow to me. She was like the cute next door girl with a niche following writing about of shitty british books* that I had to read in HS and uni and went to rambling about of a bunch weird tranny shit. All she had to was get married and put to print goofy stories about diaper blowouts and twee anxiety about getting her kid into the right preschool and her audience who felt the same would have eaten it up as they would be in the same boat. I admit I had no interest in her writing as I am not the target demo a single dude, but she had an audience, Now she's all fucked up on hormones and with some total degenerate pervert and larping as a dude. Fuck you, Dad, indeed.

* I did like Thackery's Vanity Fair. Jane Austen can eat shit, tho.
 
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