Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

This is your brain on woke.

I'd love to be on those C-Suit meetings.


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"For our new Star Wars lineup, we want to reflect on the effects of patriarchal, capitalist, white culture on POC folks of color. We will send a message on BLM and the repressive effect of police"

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"Yeah, uh, I was thinking perhaps we should introduce some 'defund the jedi' proposals. You know, like, the jedi had grown to be this militarized police force of the republic that regularly brutalizes underprivileged star systems"

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"That's acually a brilliant idea, Mike. Please, reach out to me this afternoon to develop these outlines into doables"

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"Now, I've written this scheme to illustrate the effects of white privilege in Naboo"

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"Should we mention something about queer gungans?"

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"This is a great idea, Mike, but no gay gungans. Gay male is too white coded. Let's focus on the experiences of transness in Oto Gungah"

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"Perhaps Rugor Nass represents an old guard, conservative, transphobic elite?"

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"Please, George, come to see me after the meeting"

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"Sorry to interrupt, but I think Greg just overdosed on cocaine again"

This is close to a C-Suite meeting at most companies, but they usually just use the language and have some sacrificial programs to have the image of being woke. The difference with Disney and media companies at large is that they're baking the woke bullshit into their product and then lying about how detrimental it is to their bottom line.

The only equivalent I can think of are ESG index funds at large asset managers like BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, etc. They wildly underperformed the market but acted as an ersatz PAC slush fund to affect change at downstream organizations. Recently these funds have been struggling to show a return on investment, because when rubber hits the road they were built on a bullshit concept.

Make no mistake though, Disney has a bunch of rabid true-believers high-up enough in the company to keep pushing out these abortions that everyone hates. Outside of Iger saying that they were too political a while back, they have not changed course whatsoever.

I miss the prequels.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

what do you mean? I am not following. you think they purposefully didn't make shit that appealed to kids? sorry if I am a retard and you're being clear but I don't get what your point is

Yes.

As absurd as it sounds, they purposefully wanted to discourage male kids from enjoying these movies and sought to destroy anything that would appeal to them.

That's why I really really really unironically would love to know how all of this is pitched to the corpos and C-Suited. I can imagine the corpos cringing and putting on an awkward smile as they are being told about what is to be done while screaming internally that this will end them all, but they cannot do anything because the investors (i.e. BlackRock) wants it this way.

But it is a matter of doctrine, and not business, that male children are to be dispossessed of the sort of stuff that male children usually enjoy, and disabused of any notion that they have any right to it. Because sexism, patriarchy, white supremacy or whatever, who cares? It's all buzzwords. Have you seen that triptic on whiteness? It's nonsensical, but I digress.

The thing is that they actively hate on men, and they see male children as some sort of experiment where they seek to destroy the adult man that they will be. Not even repurposing them, just demolish them.

Interestingly enough, they are trying to replicate the shit young boys like for girls. They are having women do everything the male characters do and young boys love when they do, and they want young girls to love these characters for it. They are basically wanting young girls to have the tastes and sensibilities of young boys, because they believe it is empowering or something. It is all a system of belief and all of this makes sense within this system of belief.

Disney feminized itself in the 00s. It's also interesting because They gave up on boys and focused on girls for whatever reason, especially through the Disney Channel (Hannah Montana, the Jonas Brothers and all that). I believe they probably did this not for ideological reasons but because Nickelodeon had cornered the boy market and other studios where more appealing to boys movie-wise. At this point, Disney played by the book: Pretty boys as love interest, feelings/romantic focus and female protagonists that spoke to young girls sensibilities (like Hannah Montana, or that other Blonde that was David Carradine's niece)

Interestingly enough, feminists of that era hated Disney. They hated it because they felt it was 'perpetuating harmful stereotypes' and 'misleading/indoctrinating young girls into sexism'

They appear to have started listening to them in the 10s, but the Star Wars debacle was as much woke penetrating Disney as it was KK seething man-hate.

 

[Übertroon]

They can't. Mainstream fandom revolved around Luke, Leia, and Han, all of whom they ruined and killed off. The ST needed to be a handoff to new, compelling characters, but they all sucked. There's no do-over.

Logically you can start over and hand over the torch with an animated series or use that face CGI thing they used to bring back Tarkin.
Disney Star Wars is never going to take off as long as it is shackled to the sequel trilogy and high republic shit.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

@Ewan McGregor You make a bunch of great points here, but I really only have two I want to chime in on.

That's why I really really really unironically would love to know how all of this is pitched to the corpos and C-Suited.

They were shown the hysterical twitter response that the far left would give to mainstream media or anything that didn't follow their exact specifications. As far as PR goes, the C-Suite is allergic to the negative. The activists figured this out as soon as social media became a thing. They play on the Skinner-Box mechanics of up and downvotes and capitalize on mob mentality.

"Look how toxic everyone finds this" they say, as they show screenshots of tweets that were reposted by thousands of fake accounts and a couple dozen terminally-online retards.

Interestingly enough, they are trying to replicate the shit young boys like for girls

Which is hysterical, because Star Wars was not an empire built on 6 movies and a few shows. It was a multimedia sensation because it told a wonderful story in a lived-in uiniverse. Kids would play with their friends with action figures and lego sets because of how cool that stuff was. They sold a billion fucking dollars of toys to young boys and even some young girls who all played together.

Some of those kids got older and bought the books and videogames. They had a passion for that universe, and not for the specific scenes in the movies, but the conflicts and universe that lived behind it.

What was so effective about Star Wars is that it left enough to the imagination with an effective establishment of canon. Kit Fisto has like 8 seconds of screen-time across 3 movies, but I read several books and played with toys that featured him when I was young.

Now? Fuck the canon. It's all fine as long as we like the politics of the person writing it. As long as it has some flashy scene with no greater thought to character arc or the underlying politics of the setting = it'll do.

The toys don't sell to little boys who can play with their friends (of either gender) to build a passionate following around. The canon is shit anyway. The big questions were unanswered, and there was nothing for the people to cling onto and enjoy expansive storytellng about. From start to finish they did not understand why people were crazy about Star Wars. It wasn't the laser swords, it was a feeling. The canon took itself seriously and so we as fans did too.

 

[The Ugly One]

Logically you can start over and hand over the torch with an animated series or use that face CGI thing they used to bring back Tarkin.

Nobody would watch a cartoon movie, and a CGI do-over would probably be creepy and terrible.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Disney Star Wars is never going to take off as long as it is shackled to the sequel trilogy and high republic shit.

When KK finally gets fired and dragged out of the Lucasfilm offices by George Lucas and John Favrou they should make a short movie that starts with Luke dying in TLJ and then a younger actor who looks like Luke wakes up with a start and a hot ginger Mara Jade comforts him as he tells her about his fucked up nightmare about drinking green titty milk from a sea creature and how 3P0 has a red arm. Or have Yoda show up in the World Between Worlds and look at the Disney Star Wars timeline, shake his head and remove it from existence.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

When KK finally gets fired and dragged out of the Lucasfilm offices by George Lucas and John Favrou they should make a short movie that starts with Luke dying in TLJ and then a younger actor who looks like Luke wakes up with a start and a hot ginger Mara Jade comforts him as he tells her about his fucked up nightmare about drinking green titty milk from a sea creature and how 3P0 has a red arm. Or have Yoda show up in the World Between Worlds and look at the Disney Star Wars timeline, shake his head and remove it from existence.

I hate to parrot the wider internet, but if they fucking get off their asses and cast him before he's too old Sebastian Stan can absolutely play a younger Luke. Just gotta coach him to sound like a 20-something Mark Hamill and how to shut the fuck up on Twitter.

 

[The Ugly One]

I assume a lot of his enjoyment probably came from the fact his 10 year old ate it up, and his toddler wanted to be Darth Maul and used to beat the shit out of the dog with sticks pretending he was.

A friend of mine close to my age had two young boys when Phantom Menace came out, and he liked the PT for I suspect largely the same reason. It's associated with fun times with his boys.

 

[Übertroon]

Nobody would watch a cartoon movie, and a CGI do-over would probably be creepy and terrible.

It's about creating a healthy franchise.
The clone wars movie was a animated movie and made $70 million on a $10 million budget and kickstarted a series so popular that Disney couldn't ignore it even though they tried.

You make a animated movie for $50 million so you can nake $100 million so you can next time make a replacement sequel trilogy that earns a billion by deleting Rey Palpatine and hobo Luke

 

[Male Idiot]

whatever, something off-screen and long ago so you can put a lot of distance between the existing movies and this, and not have to increase the tech as seen from PT->OT->ST

Funny trivia, from what I can recall, only Kotor 1 showed lower levels of tech. Kotor 2 got near original movies level, and SWTOR was propably at least as good as OT tech.

Sith had personal shield generators, fully equipped fighters, even special sniper ships with a giant railgun. It was pretty much like the originals, just smaller when it came to big ships. They even had gravity well generators and Sith superweapons, if not death star level, but they weren't needing hyperspace rings for their shuttles.

I can write it off as tech degradation 40k style, but it is there. Kotor1-2 also gave the Republic green lasers to go with the laser swords of the JEdi. The Empire had green lasers because they were from the Republic when it morphed and it got carried over. Made total sense. The Sith had red lasers and red lightsabers. SWTOR went back on it but even only in its latter half because it confused normies lol.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Also, I forgot to mention, they are fighting biology here.

Every little girl and, in their heart of hearts, every woman, just want the characters to get along with each other, get paired and have babies. Females overwhelmingly hate conflict. A woman protagonist that jumps, kicks, masters weapons and murders people by the dozens with a quip does not fucking appeal to them because they don't see themselves doing this nor anything remotely siilar to this.

And I don't know this because I'm a fascist chud /pol/ reactionary sexist whatever, you see. I'm saying this because, you know, I followed the advice and I listened to women. I read the books they write, for instance.

That doesn't mean a woman cannot be a good writer, women can be good writers and artists within their own tastes, sensibilities and experiences, as it should be self-evident.

Most books written by women noticeably lack on action.

Everyone's favourite writer J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter is notable because we are promised a big confrontation with Voldemort that never really fucking happens. 60% of those books are about feelings with a decent amount of adventure, but surprisingly lacking in actual fights.

Both Harry Potter and Ron Weasley are noticeably passive.

Voldemort dies by Talking no Jutsu. Everything is quite passive-aggressive except when she needs to establish evil guys.

The Hunger Games is also noticeably lukewarm in terms of its violence considering the setting, and most of the series focus lies elsewhere, like, wait for it, ROMANCE AND A LOVE TRIANGLE.

Same with Divergent.

And don't let me get started on Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. That must fucking be the ultimate foid lit.

 

[Male Idiot]

To be fine, they must have thought the big booby kickass action girls like Lara Croft were for little girls, and not men going : "Whoa she hot and deadly, niiiiiice!"

 

[Ewan McGregor]

To be fine, they must have thought the big booby kickass action girls like Lara Croft were for little girls, and not men going : "Whoa she hot and deadly, niiiiiice!"

They are well aware who Lara Croft was for, unfortunately.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

Also, I forgot to mention, they are fighting biology here.

Every little girl and, in their heart of hearts, every woman, just want the characters to get along with each other, get paired and have babies. Females overwhelmingly hate conflict. A woman protagonist that jumps, kicks, masters weapons and murders people by the dozens with a quip does not fucking appeal to them because they don't see themselves doing this nor anything remotely siilar to this.

And I don't know this because I'm a fascist chud /pol/ reactionary sexist whatever, you see. I'm saying this because, you know, I followed the advice and I listened to women. I read the books they write, for instance.

That doesn't mean a woman cannot be a good writer, women can be good writers and artists within their own tastes, sensibilities and experiences, as it should be self-evident.

Most books written by women noticeably lack on action.

Everyone's favourite writer J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter is notable because we are promised a big confrontation with Voldemort that never really fucking happens. 60% of those books are about feelings with a decent amount of adventure, but surprisingly lacking in actual fights.

Both Harry Potter and Ron Weasley are noticeably passive.

Voldemort dies by Talking no Jutsu. Everything is quite passive-aggressive except when she needs to establish evil guys.

The Hunger Games is also noticeably lukewarm in terms of its violence considering the setting, and most of the series focus lies elsewhere, like, wait for it, ROMANCE AND A LOVE TRIANGLE.

Same with Divergent.

And don't let me get started on Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. That must fucking be the ultimate foid lit.

Decent writers can remove themselves from their characters if the author is intelligent. It's precisely why stupid people can't write smart characters. They can't put themselves in the heads of their prospective characters and ask "What would this person feel, say, and do?"

Shitty female protagonists just act like men who coincidentally have a cunt. They do not take into account that there are major difference between not only what men and women are capable of doing, but also how men and women would prefer to act.

A decent female character is entirely capable of agency within a story, but not necessarily by being stronger and faster. Winning influence over others via charisma and understanding of others' wants and needs is not a lesser character, it's a compelling ability. In fact, I believe it's far more compelling than some sweaty dyke who can win an arm wrestle with a brawly mook. I get a lot more out of a character with wit and awareness.

Edit: I don't dislike the passiveness of Harry and Ron necessarily. They're teenagers who aren't particularly amazing wizards surrounded by people with a tremendous amount of both institutional and literal power. They're goofy teenagers that kinda just scrape by with a little wit and a lot of decent people watching their backs. I like the series, and I think JK Rowling did a great job creating that universe. They're hopelessly outclassed by their environment, and that makes for a tense story. You as the reader can relate to the sense of wonder and awe they have for the wizarding world around them. It'd be cool if she stopped making everyone gay niggers ten years after the fact, though.

 

[el bandito loco]

Also, I forgot to mention, they are fighting biology here.

Every little girl and, in their heart of hearts, every woman, just want the characters to get along with each other, get paired and have babies. Females overwhelmingly hate conflict. A woman protagonist that jumps, kicks, masters weapons and murders people by the dozens with a quip does not fucking appeal to them because they don't see themselves doing this nor anything remotely siilar to this.

And I don't know this because I'm a fascist chud /pol/ reactionary sexist whatever, you see. I'm saying this because, you know, I followed the advice and I listened to women. I read the books they write, for instance.

That doesn't mean a woman cannot be a good writer, women can be good writers and artists within their own tastes, sensibilities and experiences, as it should be self-evident.

Most books written by women noticeably lack on action.

Everyone's favourite writer J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter is notable because we are promised a big confrontation with Voldemort that never really fucking happens. 60% of those books are about feelings with a decent amount of adventure, but surprisingly lacking in actual fights.

Both Harry Potter and Ron Weasley are noticeably passive.

Voldemort dies by Talking no Jutsu. Everything is quite passive-aggressive except when she needs to establish evil guys.

The Hunger Games is also noticeably lukewarm in terms of its violence considering the setting, and most of the series focus lies elsewhere, like, wait for it, ROMANCE AND A LOVE TRIANGLE.

Same with Divergent.

And don't let me get started on Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. That must fucking be the ultimate foid lit.

I couldn't respond to your response to me but thank you for explaining what you were saying I 100% agree but wasn't getting it. I spent the last couple days in this thread lamenting what was done to Han Solo and it's literally out of women nerfing cool guy characters. I had this conversation with my wife recently but there is a reason she grew up with Disney Princess bullshit and I did on Western bullshit. men and women just want different things. I even as a toddler wanted to be Kurt Russell in Tombstone, she wanted to be Princess Aurora from Sleeping Beauty. I get it. but it doesn't work the same on me, as a man I have different goals. that is why I always loved and wanted to be Han Solo and not Padme. I wanted to be the guy who says fuck you to the rules and doesn't give a shit. she wanted the rules to end up working out her way.

it's why since the buyout they have sucked cocks (not mine I wouldn't be complaining) they totally dropped the ball. star wars wasn't always for boys exclusively but it had something that appealed to them. in their quest to make it a franchise for women they forgot about their roots. like when i was 7 Obi Wan was the shit I wanted to be him, when I was 4 I liked Maul, when I was 12 I wanted to be Han Solo (and still do) but no little girl wants to be Rey. they (little girls) probably also think that movie sucks and they're only watching it because Dad likes this shit. whereas when I was small yeah Pop loved SW and turned me on game to it, but I watched that more than he did.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

she wanted to be Princess Aurora from Sleeping Beauty

Shit bro, I thought her name was Sleeping Beauty. The more you know.

 

[el bandito loco]

Shit bro, I thought her name was Sleeping Beauty. The more you know.

me too until the actual conversation I was referring too lol

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

The decay of Star Wars could be reversible -- just pull a Di$ney and declare Di$ney SW "non-canon", then maybe bring back the EU "Legends" into "canon", and go from there?

Personally I would go with animated series follwing post-Endor Legends while retconning it a little to bring the older ones more in line with prequels. I'm sure making it more accessible for retards people who don't like to read would be a big hit.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Also, I forgot to mention, they are fighting biology here.

Every little girl and, in their heart of hearts, every woman, just want the characters to get along with each other, get paired and have babies. Females overwhelmingly hate conflict. A woman protagonist that jumps, kicks, masters weapons and murders people by the dozens with a quip does not fucking appeal to them because they don't see themselves doing this nor anything remotely siilar to this.

And I don't know this because I'm a fascist chud /pol/ reactionary sexist whatever, you see. I'm saying this because, you know, I followed the advice and I listened to women. I read the books they write, for instance.

That doesn't mean a woman cannot be a good writer, women can be good writers and artists within their own tastes, sensibilities and experiences, as it should be self-evident.

Most books written by women noticeably lack on action.

Everyone's favourite writer J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter is notable because we are promised a big confrontation with Voldemort that never really fucking happens. 60% of those books are about feelings with a decent amount of adventure, but surprisingly lacking in actual fights.

Both Harry Potter and Ron Weasley are noticeably passive.

Voldemort dies by Talking no Jutsu. Everything is quite passive-aggressive except when she needs to establish evil guys.

The Hunger Games is also noticeably lukewarm in terms of its violence considering the setting, and most of the series focus lies elsewhere, like, wait for it, ROMANCE AND A LOVE TRIANGLE.

Same with Divergent.

And don't let me get started on Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. That must fucking be the ultimate foid lit.

Heart of hearts you say?

 

[Screamer_2]

however by the last jedi, there isn't anything for a kid to care about. space horses maybe. that is it. there were no major tie in games, no weird characters who a kid would like, hell no character who was even a badass for a kid to like like I had with Maul when I was 4/5. nothing. nothing at all.

This is why in reshoots they added the child slave with force powers. It would only be thought of by people who can't write to inspire kids. It's also indicative of the way Disney Star Wars gets rewritten. It gets rewritten in for the scene only. Never taking into consideration the rest of the story. It's why the films and TV shows are such a mess.

"Let's add this scene of a child so kids can be like, "It's a kid with force powers." Then just ignore the film has them freeing horses and not the child slaves.