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Here are the text logs of the OP trying to pacify and argue with seething pedos. Some highlights include laying blame on Project 2025 and the fact that 45,787 posts were deleted which was confirmed by a mod though many were claimed to be false positives.

Spoiler: Admin Textlog

Greetings!
We've got a doozy this time.
Due to challenges stemming from changes in the political and legal environment, both offline and online, we have had to adjust our content guidelines to preserve access to our site. As a result, any content featuring young human or humanoid characters in explicit situations is now prohibited and will be deleted. This change also applies retroactively, and we have already removed all existing submissions featuring such content.
As with all irrelevant content, we will not issue records for uploads that violate this policy; the content will simply be deleted.
Thank you for your understanding, as this was not an easy decision for us to make.

For everyone's convenience here's the new section of the Uploading Guidelines:

Bad Things to Upload:​

• Underage Human & Human-Like Characters:Any submissions containing underage human or human-like characters involved in explicit sexual activities, or featuring those characters nude with visible genitalia and / or anus, are not allowed.
  • "Human-like" means all humanoid fantasy races, especially ones that have more skin than fur, and either no or only very minor animal features, like tails, ears, claws, etc.
    • This includes, but is not limited to, elves, orcs, vampires, dwarves, gnomes, "human but has a tail and animal ears", stylized humans like The Simpsons, and similar content.
  • Visual appearance counts for what is "young" first and foremost, but canonical age may also count for borderline depictions.
  • If the young character is uninvolved in any ongoing explicit activities themselves, or is not nude themselves, that is allowed.

FAQ:​

What exactly is now forbidden?​

Young humans and anything that looks vaguely like a young human in NSFW contexts. This includes plain humans, stylized humans like cartoon characters (The Simpsons, etc), elves, orcs, vampires, zombies, kemonomimi, humans with a few glued on animal features (noses, tails, ears, whiskers, etc.), and similar content.
Basically, if it mostly looks like a young human (even with stylistic or other small changes), it is no longer allowed.

What about cub / anthro?​

Young anthro characters / cubs are unaffected by this change and are still allowed to be posted.

The sudden deletions pushed my upload limit into the negatives, what do I do?​

Email us or DM an administrator, and we'll bump your limit back up to being usable to you.

I think one of the submissions you purged was done in error, as it does not feature a young human or young humanoid character. Can that be reinstated?​

Yes! We're working through everything we deleted to restore content that got caught by error, and if you know something that's affected, we'd be more than happy to have a look and restore it if applicable. We hope to get all false hits sorted out by ourselves, but that might take us a while due to the massive volume of posts to go through.

I believe I have found a submission that breaks these guidelines, but was not deleted, what do I do?​

At the moment, if you find anything please send us an email (management@e621.net) and we will have a look. However we will try to have an on-site option in the Flag For Deletion menu for this ASAP, and will edit this entry once that’s all sorted out and live.

Why didn't you manually vet all deletions before deleting anything?​

This whole ordeal had to be implemented sooner rather than later, and as such, it was sadly not feasible to go through all of the content first. But as we can restore things without lasting consequences, we believe our approach outweighs the negatives of some false hits being inaccessible for a small period of time.

toradrow777 said:
Do draenei count as human-like?

Yes, particularly if they're rendered with more human like skin instead of fine fur.

mklxiv said:
If you're gonna make lame excuses of "legal changes" then please specify what has changed, as to my knowledge that's been nothing, especially considering that the content that's being banned is legal in the United States where e621 is hosted and operated from (especially considering this is what the United States federal government explicitly told the United Nations Human Rights Counsel in 2019, check page 5). Changes in the "political environment" are 100% irrelevant as peoples' personal opinions don't effect the law.

It's wishy washy because it's the best we can offer. There is no single law we can point to as the tipping point, and while we were sitting pretty unaffected by most things, the same can't be said to a bunch of our business partners who did not appreciate the heat we attract.
And since we can't function in a vacuum we have had to adjust.

theory0fstrings said:
So now I have at least 94 of my works deleted, many of which didn't violate the rule. Wonderful. Lovely. A warning would have been nice at least.
Or at least further clarification on what exactly these "changes in the political and legal environment" even are.

I've had a quick look through and restored anything caught by accident in your deletions that stuck out right away.
This entire thing had to happen much faster than we would have liked, so we went in with a shoot first ask questions later mentally.
Trust me, I would have preferred more of a heads up myself.

mklxiv said:
So it's nothing to do with any law changes, just "business partners" (translation: external pressure by private groups). Yup, thanks for confirming this site is no longer worthwhile.

Guess what put pressure on some of our partners?
That's right, governments.
Guess who would like to continue doing business in places where those governments are?
That's right, our business partners.

romaniaglory said:
The last thing you ever wanted to admit was censoring your website to appease advertisers.

Nah, all our ads are handled directly by us and as far as I am aware none of them had any issue with the contents we host.

musicw0lf said:
Or do you have other business partners beside ads?

We do indeed have more business partners outside of people giving us money to run their ads, correct.

musicw0lf said:
Then strange they were ok with that all those years.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Things change, they were okay with it previously and now they aren't. They want to continue making money and we're stuck with the consequences.
And no we can't just stop business with them, there's no way in hell we would be able to cover the gap that would cause, be it donations or otherwise.

arli said:
Will there be a dedicated spot or anything for disputed posts to be restored? I have a few also caught in the crossfire that don't feature a young human/oid but do have a young furry with a human in the picture

We're still looking into the best ways to handle it, and will most likely make another news post once we've found something that we think will work well.

aspy_dragon said:
Ok so by doing a bit of math, (admittedly making a lot of assumptions, mainly assuming that all deleted posts were due to this new rule) we can calculate how many posts have been nuked and give that as a percentage of said nuked posts
4915640 (The most recent post at time of calculation)
-4299626 (number of posts at time of calculation)
—————
616014 (total number of nuked posts)
616014 / 4915640
———
~0.125 (total fraction of nuked posts)
So about 12.5 percent of all posts on this site have been nuked since its birth and the moment I make this comment, (idk how many of these posts would make Chris Hansen show up) and I don’t know if my calculations are correct or not, and I might need some more information on how many posts were nuked today, so we could determine how big of a chunk this decision has taken out of this website

Roughly 45k posts today, but there are confirmed false hits that will be restored in due time.

k4rn4ge911 said:
So I went into my favs and checked young, feral and human. Now I get stuff like Zelda content and even young children, that's fine. BUT SO MUCH GOT CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE! Paw Patrol, MLP, FERAL ADULT HUMAN ON POKEMON, even stuff with the Adult lore tag! ALL GONE! MOST OF THAT WASN'T EVEN ANTHRO, IT WAS FERAL.

As said previously already, we were under a pretty steep deadline, and as such used a shoot first and ask questions later approach. We'll be going through and restoring anything caught that shouldn't have been, now that we have more time to breathe and do so.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

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FYI, the man draws gay pokemon porn and he's sperging out this hard

>OH MY SOYENCE LE HECKIN POOORITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM SHAKING RN!!!!!!

If there was a line from a fictional work I would insert here it would be I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, as a reply. Like I said above, these people live in parallel realities. They truly believe "puritans" are out to get them and send them to concentration camps or what have you - and don't see that such "Puritans" are long gone, and do not have power. Any semblance of power whatsoever is only made in campaign offers, and rarely ever accomplished (and if they are, it tends to be state-wide, particularly in the United States). They never stop to realise that payment processors must frown upon such decisions and how such things do not sound good. "We approve supporting drawings of FICTIONAL children being sodomized!" Try running that as a slogan.

EDIT: And of course, I should have known, "Project 2025" would be mentioned as the "culprit".

 

[Spoonomancer]

Keep in mind that e621 has a "tag what you see" policy and the admins consider it better to overtag than undertag, leading to situations like Rigby from Regular Show being locked with the young tag because he looks underage with the way the artist drew him.

Dacad feels like a bad example due to how almost every last one of his animations look like I was shown animated child porn because someone thought it wasn't child porn.

Cub is literally just loli porn but they're furries right? Any ideas as to why they'd ban one and not the other? I'm not sure why the "business partners" would be saying NO KIDS, but kids with cat ears and a tail are fine...

It's the Kaara defence, loli is banned due to being illustrated child porn while cub avoids being banned even though it's the same exact thing but for furries.

 

[Executive Costco Member]

Remember what I said about obscene content and e621? I'm surprised they've lasted this long, honestly.

It will be interesting to see what will happen. If I had to take a guess, Bad Dragon will re-locate out of Arizona to a jurisdiction with more friendly obscenity laws. However, with the real chance of a future Trump-led executive branch, where would that possibly be in the United States? Therefore, I think this is the beginning of the end. After all, how much money can e621's advertising truly generate? Why would Varka bother risking one's freedom over cub art?

It's worth noting that one guy went to prison over Simpsons art (this is absolutely why it was mentioned in the original post). In the United States, there is no statute of limitations for the distribution of child pornograhy. Any alleged obscene materials depicting child abuse could be prosecuted by either the state or the federal government at -any time-. If the government truly had the desire to prosecute, they need but look at the wayback machine.

Prediction: I think Varka will leave the United States and either move Bad Dragon oversees within the next six months or shutter the business entirely. All the dildos in the world can't be worth it.

 

[Niggergante]

It's worth noting that one guy went to prison over Simpsons art

Bro that dude had LITERAL CHILD PORNOGRAPHY the American cops didn't give a shit about the Simpsons. That just tipped off the Germans, apparently, which led them to find actual CSAM.

 

[Kataskopos]

truly the ground zero of furfaggotry
i hope another one hits

 

[Executive Costco Member]

Bro that dude had LITERAL CHILD PORNOGRAPHY the American cops didn't give a shit about the Simpsons. That just tipped off the Germans, apparently, which led them to find actual CSAM.
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This is true! However, I think the quotation is misleading. He pled guilty to the possession of obscene materials in a plea deal which was a far lesser charge, and was sentenced to 15 months in prison. Steven Kutzner did, indeed, go to prison over Simpsons porn.

 

[Niggergante]

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truly the ground zero of furfaggotry
i hope another one hits

Reminds me of this. full one attached.

 

[Niggergante]

15 months in prison.

Did he survive that year and a quarter?

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

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truly the ground zero of furfaggotry
i hope another one hits

People like these deserve beatings, and I'm not even joking - I truly am mad at the internet. "Birth tag", with half being gone due to such policies. Imagine what else is there...

 

[Activelo]

Dacad feels like a bad example due to how almost every last one of his animations look like I was shown animated child porn against my consent.

It was meant more to illustrate the point than anything else, although what you said reminded me that Dacad threw a few tantrums about how the mods kept locking his posts with the young tag.

 

[Executive Costco Member]

Did he survive that year and a quarter?

Yeah. A cursory search says he's living in Idaho still. I don't know what prison he went to, but the idea perpetuated that all sex offenders get murdered in U.S. prisons is largely a myth. Some do. I'm speculating here, but with that short of a sentence, he was probably sent to a prison where people were doing "sweet time" which is a slang term for prisoners nearing their release date. They don't want to mess with others for fear of fucking up their own release.

 

[AnimeSucksCopeAndSneed]

They're BARELY banning drawn CSAM?

 

[Merry]

You beat me to this

I can still provide seethe

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inb4 civil liberties but if you Gestapo'd the computers of every person bitching about this you'd see a gigantic decrease in the CSAM economy

 

[Catboy Ranch]

There's a raid against SiegedSec in the making.

Disbanding is prolly the smartest decision these furfags have made.

https://soyjak.party/raid/thread/138483.html

holy shit.... the little pedo furfag caught the attention of the non-functioning auts

he's doomed he might as well put a bullet in his temple right now

 

[Dire Dire Cocks]

Due to the site's business partners being pressured, e621 was forced to take down all explicit images of humans/humanoids who appears underage.
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The users in that thread are taking it about as well as you'd expect.

>ban drawn furry CP
>thousands of drawings are banned
>hundreds of users instantly start sperging out and leave the site
Never beating the “the majority of furries are sexual degenerates” allegations

 

[Hiphopopotamus]

>ban drawn furry CP
>thousands of drawings are banned
>hundreds of users instantly start sperging out and leave the site
Never beating the “the majority of furries are sexual degenerates” allegations

Many such cases, happened when furaffinity did the same, which brought out the cesspit that is inkbunny. I wonder what offshoot this will lead to.

 

[Paper Plate]

This has always been the case. They use public platforms and "leak" content to approved journalists only.
This shit glows and it isn't just the ugly fursona colours.

"Hey there I'm a smol eepy trans girl named Lilith, who here wants to blow up a post office for #transrights. Btw selling sawed-off shotguns to afford titty skittles hehe"

 

[Strangolapreti]

Call me optimist but I can't wait for another of those faggot admins to post something in the likes of "Due to challenges stemming changes in the political and legal enviroment, both offline and online, any pro-transgender content will be prohibited and removed from the platform.
If you are a hecking valid troon;
Cope, seethe and dilate.
If you are a little dood;
then your art is ugly and nobody likes it, not even the parents you arebplanning to murder after they accidental misgendered you."

 

[Hooked on phobics]

"If you are going to masturbate to young charecters, they BETTER be furry, or else".
absolute insanity these places.