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I give it less than a year. You heard it here first, Kiwis.
They're already splitting apart. If you want a good synopsis of what's going to happen, check out my analysis piece in the Trump thread.
Social Justice Warriors - Now With Less Feminism Sperging
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I give it less than a year. You heard it here first, Kiwis.
They're already splitting apart. If you want a good synopsis of what's going to happen, check out my analysis piece in the Trump thread.
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The Age of Autism will never end. Such is its nature.
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My FB feed has been a cesspool of :autism: on BOTH sides of the political spectrum and it's just scary how people are flipping out over it. Isn't anyone moderate anymore? The next four years will be interesting just seeing how this plays out. Sometimes it feels like cyclical history. 2016 is like 1968 all over again.
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Asa_Spades60
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All right. Thought I'd never actually see something like this.
Ineedahero
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No, I'm with @Jaimas. Remember that sjwism isn't new, it's based on the same impulse and philosophy that led to the political correctness boom in the nineties. And while political correctness was waning, it died with the election of George W. Bush. Not completely, it still lingered here and there, but it was mostly considered a joke, and as a consequence we saw the rise of 'alternative comedy' with people like David Cross, Patton Oswalt, Louis CK and the like, who, while still being left wing, weren't afraid to say nigger or faggot etc. Ironically, some of these comics are now bowing to the whims of sjws, but that's unlikely to continue for much longer.
As I see it, there are two reasons the election of Bush killed it, and the same will probably be true of Trump. The first is that Trump renders sjwism unnecessary. As we know, being a social justice warrior is about virtue signalling not activism, actual activism is hard work and sjws are pathologically lazy. A march or sit in or other kind of protest is the most they will do for any cause, and usually they can't even be fucked doing that. In previous years, you demonstrate your virtue by bitching about politics and Bush, getting really angry at anything you have heard he has done, and maybe going to protest him. But for the past eight years that hasn't been an option - sure Obama further eroded the fourth amendment and so on, but he was left wing, so he's a good guy. If you protested him you would be standing alongside right wingers, and they are the enemy. Social justice gave them a way to continue to virtue signal without having to exert themselves or think too hard, so it was perfect. Now that Trump is the president however, you can protest him to prove your righteousness, which is not only easier, it is also much more popular, meaning more people will see how virtuous you are.
With the social justice warriors moving to protest Trump, and more eyes on them and their philosophy, the second effect comes into play. I am a left winger, and like many left wingers opposed to social justice, I gave their philosophy a shot. It didn't take long for me to recognise how utterly toxic and downright backwards and contradictory their philosophy was though, and most people on the left will do the same. I don't think it will happen as quickly as @Jaimas does, in fact I think we will see it grow first, because the media is swarmed with the motherfuckers, and because social justice's most fundamental lie is that it's about compassion and equality, which will draw a lot of the left in. But with more eyes on sjws, and with more people looking at their actions and behaviour, it is only a matter of time before people see social justice for the sham it is.
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Social Justice is the latest branch, and arguably the last one, of a long-time fight that we've been fighting for generations. Many of us thought that the last three times we fought this exact same conflict, we were finally done with it, and not enough people took to heart the true lessons we could learn from the previous scenarios. This is no one's fault, as you will soon see.
See, moral busybodies who think they have the right to dictate what people think, say, and do is nothing new. They're something that dates back to literally before the internet, and our parents fought them off in their own way, back when it was Rock Music, Dungeons and Dragons, and Halloween. In the past they were mostly just the subject of mockery, though they had some power due to their cozy relationship with the government, who, as is the case in the later generations, would actively exploit their idiocy to try to push policy.
This group crystallized into the Christian Coalition/American Family Association/Moral Majority crowd. If you're not familiar, these were essentially outrage machines that would bitch about moral decay in media. As an example, the AFA alone, for about over a decade and a half, was responsible for somewhere in the 90-95% range of all complaints written to media outlets over "obscene content." Republicans hated these fucks about as much as Democrats did, but because the Republican party relied on appealing to "values voters" (read: religious people and the traditional family crowd) to help secure voterbase dominance, they were more tolerated on that side.
What happened inevitably is that despite all the sturm and drang about moral decay and people marrying sea turtles (thank you, Bill O'Reilly) is that the country moved on. People had gay people appear in their lives, their families. Unlike transpeople currently (who account for an infintessimally small number of people), gays are pretty much everywhere and families have had to come face-to-face with the fact that pretty much all the Moral Majority's arguments that gays were a sign of the apocalypse were fucking bullshit. This was helped by many members of the Moral Majority getting outed as gay themselves (usually by getting caught soliciting gay sex or the like) with such clockwork regularity that it's a joke your parents probably referenced. They discredited themselves thoroughly, and the truth was undeniable: they weren't ever going to win with this strategy again.
Time is like a river, however, and history repeats. At this point, the right was taking it on the chin. They'd suffered multiple losses, and even with Bush getting in office, the "value voters" were no longer an essential block of voters to pander to. Suddenly, God, Gays, and Abortion weren't the inevitable draw they used to be because the younger generations of Americans all grew up knowing gay people, understanding circumstances better, and seeing what happened before when their parents were around. Worse, a lot of the right were making it clear that they felt that the current leadership didn't properly represent them one bit. Realizing that fracturing would only worsen electoral losses down the line, several large corporate groups tried to get together activists on the right in order to properly use them as a resource during election season. While it looked like a grassroots movement on the surface, in fact, it was entirely bought and paid for, making it what is now known as a "astroturfed" movement. It was thought by the establishment at the time that they could keep some leash on the right, and by feeding them the right scraps, they could get them to knee-jerk enough to stir controversy, while driving enough message in order to help maintain control. It backfired spectacularly. The Tea Party quickly became commandeered by its craziest elements, who proceeded to push the group further and further into extremism and echo-chambered themselves harder and harder.
The Tea Party had been pushed into crazyland by being fed a sustained diet of complete madness for years (OBAMA IS GONNA TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS AND MAKE GAY SEX MANDATORY FOR EVERYONE), to the point where you could completely contradict every single thing they'd spout with evidence, and they'd fucking deny reality. In the process, they completely pushed out the Republican mainstream, who was far too centrist for their liking, declaring them enemies and ratcheting down on the violent rhetoric.
Sound familiar?
When the mainstream Repubs were left disenfranchised, they did exactly what the Democrats would later do in 2016, voting for the scary Black Man en masse because their own candidates sucked, didn't represent them, and were being backed by people who would declare you a fucking terrorist sympathizer if you tangentially disagreed with them. Eventually, by the time 2008 rolled around, the Tea Party crowd were completely divorced from reality that we used to jokingly call them "Teahadists," and no amount of talking facts with them could penetrate their armor. Their involvement was a major contributing factor to the massive Democratic sweep in 2008, one that saw states that hadn't voted a Democrat since the Civil War go for Obama, at which point the Tea Party went nuclear, and led to the birther movement, where they were mocked by Democrats and Republicans alike. In short order they were disavowed by the establishment, and left to rot, relics of their time.
There was a warning there, but nobody picked up on it on the Left, and the Right didn't really realize what had happened either until way later, when realization sat in proper. At the exact same time, the framework for what would become the modern regressive left, the Social Justice movement, was still getting its formative steps, and with the Right undergoing a veritable civil war within its own ranks, there was nothing to contextualize what was about to hit the Left against.
The Left's version of the Tea Party is simultaneously exactly like its counterpart, and yet completely divorced from it. While the Tea Party was a top-down organization, started by wealthy financiers to swing electoral successes down the line, the Social Justice movement is bottom-up - it was begun by actual Marxists in mainstream academia with the intent of basically ripping out the system itself. The methods differed - the Tea Party fearmongered over familiar "value voters" ideals and spewed paranoia about terrorism, whilst Social Justice used identity politics and public shaming - but the spirit was in every way the same, pushing an agenda that was ultimately self-destructive to most involved, executed for the betterment of a tiny minority of unpleasant fucks who wanted control over everyone else. Both are Authoritarian, completely intolerant of dissent or mercy, willfully ignorant, destructive, spiteful, and utterly hateful towards anyone who will not walk fucking lockstep with them on the party line.
This group crystallized into the Christian Coalition/American Family Association/Moral Majority crowd. If you're not familiar, these were essentially outrage machines that would bitch about moral decay in media. As an example, the AFA alone, for about over a decade and a half, was responsible for somewhere in the 90-95% range of all complaints written to media outlets over "obscene content." Republicans hated these fucks about as much as Democrats did, but because the Republican party relied on appealing to "values voters" (read: religious people and the traditional family crowd) to help secure voterbase dominance, they were more tolerated on that side.
What happened inevitably is that despite all the sturm and drang about moral decay and people marrying sea turtles (thank you, Bill O'Reilly) is that the country moved on. People had gay people appear in their lives, their families. Unlike transpeople currently (who account for an infintessimally small number of people), gays are pretty much everywhere and families have had to come face-to-face with the fact that pretty much all the Moral Majority's arguments that gays were a sign of the apocalypse were fucking bullshit. This was helped by many members of the Moral Majority getting outed as gay themselves (usually by getting caught soliciting gay sex or the like) with such clockwork regularity that it's a joke your parents probably referenced. They discredited themselves thoroughly, and the truth was undeniable: they weren't ever going to win with this strategy again.
Time is like a river, however, and history repeats. At this point, the right was taking it on the chin. They'd suffered multiple losses, and even with Bush getting in office, the "value voters" were no longer an essential block of voters to pander to. Suddenly, God, Gays, and Abortion weren't the inevitable draw they used to be because the younger generations of Americans all grew up knowing gay people, understanding circumstances better, and seeing what happened before when their parents were around. Worse, a lot of the right were making it clear that they felt that the current leadership didn't properly represent them one bit. Realizing that fracturing would only worsen electoral losses down the line, several large corporate groups tried to get together activists on the right in order to properly use them as a resource during election season. While it looked like a grassroots movement on the surface, in fact, it was entirely bought and paid for, making it what is now known as a "astroturfed" movement. It was thought by the establishment at the time that they could keep some leash on the right, and by feeding them the right scraps, they could get them to knee-jerk enough to stir controversy, while driving enough message in order to help maintain control. It backfired spectacularly. The Tea Party quickly became commandeered by its craziest elements, who proceeded to push the group further and further into extremism and echo-chambered themselves harder and harder.
The Tea Party had been pushed into crazyland by being fed a sustained diet of complete madness for years (OBAMA IS GONNA TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS AND MAKE GAY SEX MANDATORY FOR EVERYONE), to the point where you could completely contradict every single thing they'd spout with evidence, and they'd fucking deny reality. In the process, they completely pushed out the Republican mainstream, who was far too centrist for their liking, declaring them enemies and ratcheting down on the violent rhetoric.
Sound familiar?
When the mainstream Repubs were left disenfranchised, they did exactly what the Democrats would later do in 2016, voting for the scary Black Man en masse because their own candidates sucked, didn't represent them, and were being backed by people who would declare you a fucking terrorist sympathizer if you tangentially disagreed with them. Eventually, by the time 2008 rolled around, the Tea Party crowd were completely divorced from reality that we used to jokingly call them "Teahadists," and no amount of talking facts with them could penetrate their armor. Their involvement was a major contributing factor to the massive Democratic sweep in 2008, one that saw states that hadn't voted a Democrat since the Civil War go for Obama, at which point the Tea Party went nuclear, and led to the birther movement, where they were mocked by Democrats and Republicans alike. In short order they were disavowed by the establishment, and left to rot, relics of their time.
There was a warning there, but nobody picked up on it on the Left, and the Right didn't really realize what had happened either until way later, when realization sat in proper. At the exact same time, the framework for what would become the modern regressive left, the Social Justice movement, was still getting its formative steps, and with the Right undergoing a veritable civil war within its own ranks, there was nothing to contextualize what was about to hit the Left against.
The Left's version of the Tea Party is simultaneously exactly like its counterpart, and yet completely divorced from it. While the Tea Party was a top-down organization, started by wealthy financiers to swing electoral successes down the line, the Social Justice movement is bottom-up - it was begun by actual Marxists in mainstream academia with the intent of basically ripping out the system itself. The methods differed - the Tea Party fearmongered over familiar "value voters" ideals and spewed paranoia about terrorism, whilst Social Justice used identity politics and public shaming - but the spirit was in every way the same, pushing an agenda that was ultimately self-destructive to most involved, executed for the betterment of a tiny minority of unpleasant fucks who wanted control over everyone else. Both are Authoritarian, completely intolerant of dissent or mercy, willfully ignorant, destructive, spiteful, and utterly hateful towards anyone who will not walk fucking lockstep with them on the party line.
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That and they mistake social justice (which does exist) with "not getting my way". Real social justice isn't about safe spaces and micro aggressions. People who fought for real social justice actively sought out places that WEREN'T safe, because they knew that to accomplish something, you had to take risks. And to expose yourself to the rest of the world, despite the fact that it was really fucking ugly. That's one of the things that really angers me. Rosa Parks didn't ask for a safe space. Gandhi didn't whine about micro-aggressions.
It makes me feel like moving to Canada. And not because Trump was elected, but to get away from all these idiots freaking out over it.
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Canada is just as infected right now, but the good news is that they're breaking.
All you need to do is make fun of them. It's all that's required.
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Comic alliance is pretty SJW site, isn't it?
http://comicsalliance.com/politics-comics-roundtable/
http://comicsalliance.com/this-magazine-kills-fascists-captain-america-and-the-secret-empire/
http://comicsalliance.com/wonder-woman-paradise-island-lesbian-utopia-pride-week/
http://comicsalliance.com/queer-superteam-fantasy-draft/
http://comicsalliance.com/politics-comics-roundtable/
http://comicsalliance.com/this-magazine-kills-fascists-captain-america-and-the-secret-empire/
http://comicsalliance.com/wonder-woman-paradise-island-lesbian-utopia-pride-week/
http://comicsalliance.com/queer-superteam-fantasy-draft/
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It was kinda drowned out by the election but it looks like (British) SJWs have found a new thing to be outraged by. And it's none other than the BBC.
The Beebs recently did an interview with French far-right politician Marine Le Pen (who's running in the French presidential election) so obviously they're a right-wing propaganda machine now and have been all along.
The BBC that just a few months ago pledged to be the most diverse corporation of diverse diversities.
Yeah, they're the bad guys now.
The Beebs recently did an interview with French far-right politician Marine Le Pen (who's running in the French presidential election) so obviously they're a right-wing propaganda machine now and have been all along.
The BBC that just a few months ago pledged to be the most diverse corporation of diverse diversities.
Yeah, they're the bad guys now.
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The BBC have been my personal Lolcow for years.
They are desperate to be the most SJW of SJWs , but constantly fuck up (by SJW standards) and then have to equally desperately and extremely visibly hurl themselves on many many of their own swords, in an effort to make amends (to christ knows who).
This is a bunch of mostly white, mostly atheist (or at most weak Cof E), middle class people, who have decided that IS should be refereed to on all news programmes as "so called Islamic state".
Ignoring what all those Muslim brown people keep saying, that they are trying to set up an Islamic State for Allah and Muslims, the loltards at the beeb are desperately trying to play down the "Islamic" bit, because it associates Islamic state with Muslims, who are all nice and cuddly m-kay.
But it does produce Horizon so its mostly forgiven.
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The most pathetic thing is how they try to pretend they have no bias (which legally they're not supposed to).
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LOL, although they dont have a party bias if you take a look at the front page of the Iplayer right now...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer
Its blacks , womyn and spastics (and a shark) one of the few white men is a dwarf!
Kinda shows their intersectional overthrowing of the patriarchy in full swing.
but then Horizon...so you know<shrugs>
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Is "virtue signaling" the same sort of thing for SWJ types as "cuck" is for alt-right types? That safety pin thing, I made a comment about how it's kind of just only virtue signaling, and someone got real butthurt. But it really is! It does nothing. It's a way for you to say, "I dont need to change, Im already perfect and free of bigotry!" It doesnt do anything, you arent putting yourself out there, you arent risking anything by it. You just stand on the sideline and wag your finger real hard. Anybody can wear the pin, racist or not. It's like the hall pass for white privilege, like, "Look, I';m white but Im an ally! I have the pin on my sleeve!"
The thing is, I'm like 70% SJW, I agree with a lot of their issues, I kind of hate the way they go about dealing with them. I usually sort of hold my tongue because it's not my place when they're discussing this stuff, but a lot of times I think, "Yeah, of course that didnt accomplish much!" I was a keyboard warrior during OWS, I remember all the failings of that "movement".
Holy shit Ive had this same thought but havent told anybody because I dont really want to bring up the drama--but I started reading all the "No! We dont want to come together! We'll never unify with those racists, bigots, and misogynists! It's perfectly fine to be intolerant against intolerance!" I was thinking, is hatred a chicken-and-the-egg thing? Everybody has hatred in their heart, if youre blind to it, it can only grow. How can you say youre going to extinguish hatred and bigotry out in the real world, in other people's hearts, when you cant even do it in your own heart?
I thought it really put in perspective the actual civil rights movements. How fucking beautiful, how fucking powerful were those protestors, who got beaten, who got arrested, who were insulted, spit on, threatened, hosed down in the streets and set on by dogs, who still pulled themselves up and said, "I want to be with you, I want to work with you, I want equality". Fuck, MLK's dream was to walk side by side, hand in hand with the same white people who were keeping him down! That's why his speech is famous, he isn't calling for separate-but-equal safe spaces, he was calling for unity, to truly look past all that shit and let it die.
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Regarding the safety pin:
When I was in school, the KKK held a rally in my town. Nearly everyone immediately started wearing purple ribbons (anti-hate, apparently) to show their opposition to the shitshow that was literally going to take place on our doorsteps.
The day came, and the klan marched on our town... and every single one was wearing a purple ribbon on their hooded robe.
This is why it doesn't help to hinge your entire point on eight cents worth of arts and crafts materials.
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As long as I can visit the Hockey Hall of Fame, I don't care. That's on my bucket list.
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We've reached page 666! A pretty Satanic accomplishment.
Munchingonfish
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Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading. Just because it says we're on page 666 doesn't mean the thread identifies as being on page 666.
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Sweden now has a "mansplaining" hotline. Call me crazy!