Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

Smutley said:
Well. What do we have here?
http://lordhaurchefant.tumblr.com/post/153200777635/why-you-shouldnt-donate-to-trans-lifeline-part
http://archive.is/DaRq7

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This is really informative, and has a lot of evidence from social media that Greta is doing loathsome shit, and is posted by a mentally ill trans person (yes they admit that). But we did that here too... and we also have mentally ill trans persons.
How can posting it on Kiwi farms make it wrong but putting it on tumblr make it right? Slightly butt rustled.
 
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An Ghost said:
This is really informative, and has a lot of evidence from social media that Greta is doing loathsome shit, and is posted by a mentally ill trans person (yes they admit that). But we did that here too... and we also have mentally ill trans persons.
How can posting it on Kiwi farms make it wrong but putting it on tumblr make it right? Slightly butt rustled.
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Well, we don't put "mentally ill trans autistic flower" on our profiles or under our avatars so obviously we'd be lying about it. Not that anyone asks, half of them are too scared to even type "Kiwi Farms" let alone come here.
 
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repentance said:
Sorry for double posting but...

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This appears to confirm that TLL is being used as a vehicle to funnel money to Nina. Nina does not have a green card and cannot legally work. We know this both from Greta's FB posts and the e-begging campaign asking for donations to help get Nina a green card.

We know how much Greta gets paid. It's a "stipend" of $2000 per month and that doesn't even count the "travel expenses" TLL pays for. Sub-minimum wage, my ass.

Also, the Iron Rose can be annoying as fuck at times but they have a low tolerance for people doing the wrong thing. They've called out the "trans murder epidemic" narrative before and went apeshit at Fire when he wanted to sue a women's shelter.

Ironically, finding out that Greta is friends with Fire would probably damage her credibility with TMT posters more than anything else.
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"the two owners pay themselves sub minimum wage, and everyone else is working for free"

So their claim to where the money goes is ... ? 800 numbers start at $14 a month.
 
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Particle Bored said:
"the two owners pay themselves sub minimum wage, and everyone else is working for free"

So their claim to where the money goes is ... ? 800 numbers start at $14 a month.
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Somewhere further back in the thread we actually did a napkin calculation based on their own statements - in fact our specific criticisms of them are based on their own statements and their own documents. The actual hotline costs are very small.
 
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Alberto Balsalm said:
TLL made an official response to the Tumblr post.
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Lol look at this
Kiwifarms is a website dedicated to harassing autistic trans women into dying by suicide. Kiwifarms launched a personal attacks on staff of Trans Lifeline including Greta, Nina, and an intern. This attack included leaving explicit harassing messages, death threats, and attempting to disclose their personal addresses online. Frustrated that their attacks did not dissuade us from offering life-saving support to trans people who were suicidal, Kiwifarms supporters created a twitter bot to defame Trans Lifeline and spread lies. Kiwifarms is being investigated by the federal government as a hate group in connection with this incident and a number of other alleged malicious crimes.
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1) There are several claims that aren't true.

2) Fuck off Gretta, You run a fake suicide hotline. How many people have died because of your willful negligence?

Edit: here's that entire article as a Zip file-
 

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Alberto Balsalm said:
TLL made an official response to the Tumblr post.
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A response which utterly sidesteps the issue of their inadequate training. Even if you totally ignore the active rescue issue - an issue on which you could argue that reasonable people can disagree - they would fail pretty much all the other criteria for accreditation. It is an outright lie to suggest that the only reason they are not accredited is because they don't embrace active rescue.

Here are the actual criteria for accreditation, for those who might want to quote them in rebuttal. Pay particular attention to Area II, which covers the screening, training and monitoring of crisis line workers (volunteers are workers for the purpose of accreditation).

http://www.suicidology.org/Portals/...nters&Workers/12thEd2014revisionsNov22014.pdf

Proper screening and training of volunteers is even *more* important if you're not going to adopt active rescue because the competence of the person who answers the phone is the only thing standing between life and death.

This isn't the 1980s when crisis organisations were feeling their way and making it up as they went along. TLL is beyond irresponsible in every respect.

So can we now please have an explanation of why four and a half hours training by people with no qualifications in the field is equivalent to *minimum* level of training required for workers in accredited crisis services? Because I'm sure TLL has some bullshit explanation about how their "unique" training is superior and not just the cheapest, lowest effort way to barely perform their core mission and claim they're a "suicide prevention service".
 
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She admits they fuck off, chase webmasters, pay Nina who has no green card, are a suicide hotline that refuses to follow accreditation standards or call police/emts, and trains their volunteers far below the standard of any organization doing this work.

How is this a rebutal? It's an admission of guilt.

Also how would Greta like big bubbas looking up her business address and showing up "just to talk"? I bet she'd scream for years about the threats on her life despite showin up at Nulls with a pedovan full of weapons and her illegal child bride.
 
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