What do you think of conservative atheism?

[RybenZ999]

I'm talking about atheists who are socially conservative. This is something I've mainly seen among old school boomer leftists. They are kind of socially conservative by modern standards, but they are atheist in the old Soviet sense. Their line of logic regarding atheism is that man is the supreme being in the world and should only rely on himself to solve worldly problems. Which is different from the annoying modern reddit "Haha your God is a fairytale meant to oppress queer folx" version.

 

[Misericordia]

I think conservativism at the most rudimentary level is about accepting reality for what it is and not thinking that human ingenuity can fix everything we don't like.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

I think general disbelief in religion paired with a belief in reinforcing some amount of societal standards and order is the next logical movement to see. People are being disillusioned by traditional authority while simultaneously being battered by progressive hypocrisy. Religion is also hard to turn to as a solution because it was extremely powerful in the past and still failed to prevent or curtail the societal decline we’ve had. That has happened before but it’s much easier to document and remember when the internet exists

 

[sallowhal]

i consider myself pretty conservative and i'm an atheist. i've just never been able to believe in anything supernatural, but i respect religious people and in some cases envy them a little. i just also think workers should control the economy (and i mean actual workers, not bums and prostitutes)

but i check most of the conservative boxes. pro family, pro gun, pro freedom of religion and speech, anti foreign intervention, stop sending our jobs overseas, lower taxes (preferably no taxes), etc etc

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

I think it sounds like a lonely existence

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

i consider myself pretty conservative and i'm an atheist. i've just never been able to believe in anything supernatural, but i respect religious people and in some cases envy them a little.

Agreed. I grew up religious and I don't have the weird deep-seated resentment about it the way a lot of former Christians do. People you meet at church are generally very nice and I never had any problems with them.

The only problem is that the core axioms of the religion seem self-evidently untrue and - in what I think is a quintessentially conservative position - I can't believe in an untrue ideology just because it would be nice if it were true.

 

[sallowhal]

Agreed. I grew up religious and I don't have the weird deep-seated resentment about it the way a lot of former Christians do.

the resentment is a weird one for me. i guess i didn't grow up in a bad environment and only ever had positive experiences in the church, it was just a matter of not being able to believe. no reason for resentment in my opinion.

People you meet at church are generally very nice and I never had any problems with them.

same. even the priests and nuns were always big sweethearts. a close family member of mine left behind a life of addiction and crime by joining a pentecostal church and community. has been clean since, and is even in a good marriage and going to university. wouldn't have been possible for them any other way.

I can't believe in an untrue ideology just because it would be nice if it were true.

that's exactly where i stalled out. i was all prepped and ready to go for catholic confirmation. it just felt wrong to falsely confirm that i believe in something i never believed in. talked to the priest about it and he agreed i shouldn't go forward if my heart isn't in it. that was all she wrote

 

[Whatevermancer]

As a non-conservative atheist I think it's perfectly reasonable, atheism doesn't have to be linked with progressivism/liberalism/socialism.

 

[Male Idiot]

Atheism really got reddited hard by the progs. Like transhumanism, it isn't inherently commie, but it is heavily infested.

Just look at the clown soyentists who said -genetics meant you came from monle- go silent when you ask what genetics say about trannies.

 

[Baguette Child]

I think human societies universally developed religious conceptions for a reason, and that you can see the decline of said religions as the jumping off point for a lot of the major issues of the modern age.


Whether religion is true or not is a separate issue from whether it is ultimately beneficial for social cohesion and stability, I think.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I don't think there's any contradiction between being socially conservative and being an atheist, but it's a lot harder to justify on an intellectual level. If there is no higher power, why shouldn't people just live their lives and be happy, even if it involves cutting off their genitals and dancing naked in public? Why shouldn't people be allowed to have public orgies while high on cocaine and speedballs? You can say it doesn't benefit society and has public consequences like sexual disease and suicide. But lots of things have public consequences, like why are you eating meat and living in a house when eating bugs and living in a pod benefits society due to being more "efficient." A religious person, or even someone who beliefs there is a higher power or existance beyond our own can explain this is bad, but an atheist has to come up with a different explanation.

That's where ultimately an atheist needs a secular philosophy which if they are intellectually honest is their religion. That's why actual atheists are incredibly rare, because very few, if any, people live atheism to its logical consequences.

I think general disbelief in religion paired with a belief in reinforcing some amount of societal standards and order is the next logical movement to see. People are being disillusioned by traditional authority while simultaneously being battered by progressive hypocrisy. Religion is also hard to turn to as a solution because it was extremely powerful in the past and still failed to prevent or curtail the societal decline we’ve had. That has happened before but it’s much easier to document and remember when the internet exists

Yeah, the religion-to-philosophy pipeline isn't anything new. Ancient Greek religion created Stoicism and Epicureanism, Chinese religion created Confucianism, Judaism and Christianity created communism. The influence of Christianity in the past created an artificial separation between "philosophy" and "religion", and today people are more reluctant than ever to assert that since religion is considered a dirty thing.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

If there is no higher power, why shouldn't people just live their lives and be happy, even if it involves cutting off their genitals and dancing naked in public?

You're conflating happiness with the absolute most base, naive kind of hedonism. I don't think one needs commandments handed down from a deity to understand the long-term value of a moderate and, well, conservative lifestyle.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

You're conflating happiness with the absolute most base, naive kind of hedonism. I don't think one needs commandments handed down from a deity to understand the long-term value of a moderate and, well, conservative lifestyle.

I agree. Most people really do just want to live comfortable, relative healthy lives and take care of their families

 

[InventingH4na]

You're conflating happiness with the absolute most base, naive kind of hedonism. I don't think one needs commandments handed down from a deity to understand the long-term value of a moderate and, well, conservative lifestyle.

It's just unfortunately one of the few things that people will still listen to when it comes to creating conservative values. You don't need God to have good family values and life a virtuous existence, but it sure helps you keep on the moral path.

 

[Uncle Buck]

I don't think there's any contradiction between being socially conservative and being an atheist, but it's a lot harder to justify on an intellectual level.

Easy solution: be a conservative agnostic. Or, if you prefer, agnostic conservative.

 

[AgendaPoster]

conservativism at the most rudimentary level is about accepting reality for what it is

Tragically conservatives usually engage in some of the dumbest fairytale endorsements and are really prone to conspiratorial beliefs.
Also they are just as unstable and biased as shitlibs and have similar blindspots. For example, Ben Shapiro, one of the most famed conservatives, is willing to change any rule to accommodate Israel and Jews, while at the same time droning endlessly about idpol.
Shit like this is common for all "traditional", mainstream ideologies.
Humans might be just too retarded to be able to conduct themselves according to existing data, and if that's the case, you know, may my own niche ideology rise up from the ashes, cause what else matters, lmao

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Technically possible, practically Atheism is 95% of the time a "fuck you dad, I don't want to go to church on Sunday" which already puts you on the road to be a leftist.

 

[Fathomless Eminence]

Atheism really got reddited hard by the progs. Like transhumanism, it isn't inherently commie, but it is heavily infested.

Maybe the difference between leftist and conservative atheism is leftists put on the fedora and conservatives do not. I've never once felt the need for an atheist "community" I just don't believe in god, it's not that big of a deal. It's not my whole personality.

If there is no higher power, why shouldn't people just live their lives and be happy, even if it involves cutting off their genitals and dancing naked in public? Why shouldn't people be allowed to have public orgies while high on cocaine and speedballs? You can say it doesn't benefit society and has public consequences like sexual disease and suicide. But lots of things have public consequences, like why are you eating meat and living in a house when eating bugs and living in a pod benefits society due to being more "efficient."

Well for one, like the guitar dude said, hedonism =/= happiness. You're right about it not benefitting society, but it also doesn't benefit society to treat people with disrespect like forcing them into pods and making them eat radical new diets knowing the whole time that the last generation had access to juicy burgers and nice houses.

This is the problem with leftists, they think society is an experiment and you can just change the variables at any fucking time and people will just accept it because muh science muh environment. It's a balancing act, you can care about conserving resources but give people dignity and choice. You can have certain freedoms but faggot parades where children get flashed should never be okay.

Technically possible, practically Atheism is 95% of the time a "fuck you dad, I don't want to go to church on Sunday" which already puts you on the road to be a leftist.

You are so fucking autistic I can barely wrap my head around it. Everything you post is a repackaged internet meme presented as an opinion, the group-think is just so transparent. You are just complete shit and such a faggot.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

They're misguided but as long as they're voting correctly and not hostile to the traditionally Christian culture, they're fine enough.

I think they're the types more easily swayed to leftism though, because they don't really have a foundation for their beliefs. Why not kill babies if it's convenient? Why not let the faggotry replace Christianity as the state religion? It should make little difference to them, at least on paper.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

You are so fucking autistic I can barely wrap my head around it. Everything you post is a repackaged internet meme presented as an opinion, the group-think is just so transparent. You are just complete shit and such a faggot.

Sounds like I hit the nail on the head. If you want a more descriptive less meme answer, Atheism is reactive by its nature. It's not like you can prove/disprove the existence of god, and I doubt many atheists started researching other religions for alternative belief system. This creates a high bias for atheists to be anti Christian rather than having an actual meaningful reasoning of a non existence of a god. Decades of media propaganda showing Atheism as hip and cool doesn't help the statistics.

Of course rather than actually answer this you can sperg out on me again.