What do you think of conservative atheism?

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

If people can’t accept having others talk about their beliefs without retaliating with baseless accusations then they’re unsuited for deeper conversation.

It always falls back on the tired "lol Reddit atheists are annoying edgelords who are assmad about being forced to go to church" accusations, which are exactly as lazy and disingenuous as HHH or Android Raptor calling all Christians "fundies".

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Humanity has done a lot of things throughout its history that’s considered antiquated (or illegal) now, like child marriage. Just because it was done and served a purpose at one point doesn’t necessarily mean it translates well to modern day.

Also there are a hell of a lot more atheists/agnostics than there are intersex people. I don’t see your point.

You can't really lump Religion with Child Marriage, those kind of false equivalences are some of the reasons people hate atheists. Ditto there are no atheistic societies in history besides maybe commies who just worship people instead of mythical beings.

In the end take this comment:

Yea, the people that have no problem telling people that they and everyone they know will burn for eternity for not picking the right social club tend to be the ones that cry foul at the smallest pushback against whatever batshit assertions they make

It really fits issues with atheism:
* Mocking religion as a Social Club.
* Using the "Telling me I'll go to hell" meme.
* Blaming the other side for not being able to take a criticism.

People immediately take assumptions with Atheists because those assumptions are usually correct. And it's not like there aren't tons of stereotypes here thay aren't being used constantly.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

You can't really lump Religion with Child Marriage, those kind of false equivalences are some of the reasons people hate atheists. Ditto there are no atheistic societies in history besides maybe commies who just worship people instead of mythical beings.

There are no “atheistic societies” but there are secular democracies, which is better than theocratic shitholes you find the throughout the Middle East. Religion shouldn’t be government-mandated.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

You can't really lump Religion with Child Marriage, those kind of false equivalences are some of the reasons people hate atheists. Ditto there are no atheistic societies in history besides maybe commies who just worship people instead of mythical beings.

In the end take this comment:

It really fits issues with atheism:
* Mocking religion as a Social Club.
* Using the "Telling me I'll go to hell" meme.
* Blaming the other side for not being able to take a criticism.

People immediately take assumptions with Atheists because those assumptions are usually correct. And it's not like there aren't tons of stereotypes here thay aren't being used constantly.

The fact you think it’s mocking you to call it a social club is telling for how thin your skin is. It isn’t a meme, bringing up hell is literally mutts law for Christians. No one here is saying that there aren’t extremely cringe atheists so the criticism issue does seem to be something you are struggling with and not something that atheists in this thread are struggling with. If you come in projecting so hard people are gonna notice and call you out on it lmao

 

[Meriasek]

I would consider myself atheist as well as somewhat socially Conservative. I used to consider myself progressive in the sense that I don't mind seeing society and civilisation, well, progress, but I don't think progress for progress' sake is good in and of itself, and it important to look at the past and present and understand what worked, works, and why. That is, in a general sense, conservative.
I don't think a faith in something divine is required, but I think faith is a personal thing that can't be enforced. Faith has inspired so many beautiful works of art that I could not state religion to be a negative per se.
Given the state of society these days, more faith would probably be a good thing. It seems like a large segment of the population can't function in a generally healthy way without such spiritual guidance. Personally, I don't believe in a higher power (at least not in the Bible; I can't disprove a higher power, and I'm open to the general idea, but in the grand scheme of things I don't believe it matters. I guess that makes me apatheist), but I'm not gonna discourage faith if it makes one a better person. I hope that some day all people can learn to live rich, healthy lives without what I personally see as a bit of a crutch, but until then I consider it mostly a good thing.
I guess many would now say that I'm not conservative at all, but I do believe in conserving many traditional values. Discipline, self reliance, personal pride, honesty, helpfulness and so on.

 

[Male Idiot]

I also think woke grew out of the pearl clutching fundie types.
US puritans are really the niggers of the abrahamic faith alongside pakis and jews.

They are way more obnoxious than the rather mild euro types, who are generally not hated, as they mind their own business. They are currently at a 15% average across Europe, but they cause no trouble.

As for abortion, we all know the only based answer. What colour is it?????

 

[Squawking Macaw]

when they correct answer is, Pornography defiles the act of sex, which was created for a man and woman to use for enjoyment and procreation for loving couples not promote promiscuity or sexual violence. marriage is between a man and a woman bc God created Man in His image, then bore woman from his rib. marriage is the Union that brings the two back together. we shouldnt teach LGBT in public schools for one bc well christians pay taxes too and how awful is it the state gets to undermine parental authority, and two bc it teaches children to that its okay to live outside the way God created us to live.

In the end, all the reasonings you gave boil down to "because God said so", it's no wonder you believe society can't function without God, your entire moral framework depends entirely on Him. Not believing in a creator deity doesn't give anyone carte blanche to do as they please with no regards for others, conservative atheists understand this, but christians seem to struggle with this thought.
Atheists having alternate explanations for why those things are harmful does not make them inferior, just different.

It really fits issues with atheism:
* Mocking religion as a Social Club.
* Using the "Telling me I'll go to hell" meme.
* Blaming the other side for not being able to take a criticism.

Lmao you came here to generalize all atheists as fedora-tippers with mommy and daddy issues and got mad when they did the same to you.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

I also think woke grew out of the pearl clutching fundie types.
US puritans are really the niggers of the abrahamic faith alongside pakis and jews.

They are way more obnoxious than the rather mild euro types, who are generally not hated, as they mind their own business. They are currently at a 15% average across Europe, but they cause no trouble.

I don't agree that it grew out of it. It's just that both conservative Christians and modern leftists had/have a lot of moral busybodies among their ranks who think their particular moral sensibilities trump literally every other issue, so it appears very similar.

It's just a common type of personality, not a matter of one causing the other.

 

[Fathomless Eminence]

Atheism is reactive by its nature

Only if you were raised religious. It's the natural state of many people. I personally was raised Christian but that doesn't make your claim here true and I'm not resentful towards my parents for bringing my to Church and I didn't hate my upbringing. It was a great community, I just lost my faith.

It's not like you can prove/disprove the existence of god, and I doubt many atheists started researching other religions for alternative belief system.

"Researching" religions is fucking cringe. You're saying right here that you can't prove or disprove god so it's 100% a matter of faith anyway. What am I supposed to do? Just read about gook philosophy and dead religions until I feel something click? That's retarded and you're basically arguing here that any faith is better than no faith.

I shouldn't have to tell you how retarded this is but it's you so I'm just assuming your opinion is directly beamed into your sub-100 IQ autistic brain from whatever podcasts you happen to be listening to at the time and you don't actually have a reason for believing anything you're saying.

This creates a high bias for atheists to be anti Christian rather than having an actual meaningful reasoning of a non existence of a god.

You are conflating Christianity with religion in general. I am not "anti-Christian" I have nothing but respect for them. I just personally do not believe in any god. You seem to think every atheist is le fat redditor with katana/fedora collection but that's not the case. Being atheist doesn't have to be political and doesn't require an atheist community its really fucking simple, you just don't believe in god.

You said above that you cannot prove or disprove god, but now you're saying atheists need to have a "meaningful" reason for not believing? What is "meaningful" by your definition and why is it more "meaningful" to "research other belief systems" than just give up on the pretense?

Decades of media propaganda showing Atheism as hip and cool doesn't help the statistics.

What statistics? You haven't mentioned a single fucking thing that relies on statistics so far? What the fuck are you even talking about? What propaganda? A few edgy punk bands? What are you even trying to say here?

Of course rather than actually answer this you can sperg out on me again.

I will, thank you. Every time I see your faggot anime avatar I know the worst take in the thread is coming. Judging by the quality of your posts, I assume you are a fat fuck still living with your parents. This could be explained by you simply being underaged or you're severely autistic and unable to function in society. I recommend suicide.

 

[Vindeo]

If people can’t accept having others talk about their beliefs without retaliating with baseless accusations then they’re unsuited for deeper conversation.

the irony of this is funny considering the replies by athiests in this thread.

 

[The Ugly One]

Humanity has done a lot of things throughout its history that’s considered antiquated (or illegal) now, like child marriage. Just because it was done and served a purpose at one point doesn’t necessarily mean it translates well to modern day.

Modern man's birth rate is at self-extinction levels. The more modern your culture is, the more rapidly you are hurtling into the abyss.

 

[The Ugly One]

I do find it funny that the only answer atheists have to the most fundamental question for a sustainable society, namely, "where are the children going to come from?" is to get mad that the question got asked at all. It's a legitimate, important question. Your evolutionary objective is survival. On an evolutionary scale, our societies are not on track to survive. They're on track to get replaced by illiberal, superstitious, intolerant groups of humans who are quite obviously much better at the most fundamental task of living beings--survival--than we are.

If you can't come up with a way that your dying society is going to turn around its birth-death imbalance as it becomes more modern, more liberal, and more irreligious, then your other thoughts don't really matter, any more than a Byzantine emperor's thoughts and plans about what his empire would look like in the 21st century mattered.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

They're on track to get replaced by illiberal, superstitious, intolerant groups of humans who are quite obviously much better at the most fundamental task of living beings--survival--than we are.

Being more prolific doesn't make one's beliefs about the nature of world true and I don't understand why you're so hellbent on conflating those two ideas. It's entirely possible that religion has utility, but that's a completely different evaluation than it being an accurate reflection of reality.

If you're right and somebody kills you for it, it doesn't make you wrong retroactively.

 

[Irredemable Retardation]

Still more coherent than mixing social darwinism with leftist economics.

 

[The Ugly One]

Being more prolific doesn't make one's beliefs about the nature of world true and I don't understand why you're so hellbent on conflating those two ideas.

I'm saying your beliefs don't matter if evolution selects against them. Since the OP is asking about "socially conservative" atheists, if "socially conservative" atheists are like liberal atheists in that they tend to sterilize themselves, marry late or never, and not have kids, then my take on them is, "they don't matter, the future doesn't belong to them."

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

I'm saying your beliefs don't matter if evolution selects against them.

Okay, I guess, but only an insane person would choose their beliefs based on how many children people who hold those beliefs have. Even Quiverfull-types have the religious belief first and the prolific-ness as a consequence.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

I do find it funny that the only answer atheists have to the most fundamental question for a sustainable society, namely, "where are the children going to come from?" is to get mad that the question got asked at all. It's a legitimate, important question. Your evolutionary objective is survival. On an evolutionary scale, our societies are not on track to survive. They're on track to get replaced by illiberal, superstitious, intolerant groups of humans who are quite obviously much better at the most fundamental task of living beings--survival--than we are.

If you can't come up with a way that your dying society is going to turn around its birth-death imbalance as it becomes more modern, more liberal, and more irreligious, then your other thoughts don't really matter, any more than a Byzantine emperor's thoughts and plans about what his empire would look like in the 21st century mattered.

Populations shift and change. Easy to argue that we have focused on growing too much and that it will be a more healthy society/environment if we slowly shift to lower populations. Saying society survives is kind of silly anyway, it has always continuously changed and it’s rather arrogant to assume we would be any different than those before us

 

[Pargon]

I think politics and the running of a country should be as far removed from religion in all its forms as possible so they’re chill with me.

 

[qoop]

Ask the UK Tories.

I mean, they don't actually believe in either god or conservatism, but they still count I guess.

 

[Mr Bunny]

A dead tree.