What do you think of conservative atheism?

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

Most atheists who aren't retards just say they're "not religious" and move on with their lives. If you say "I am an atheist," which is the same thing, you're lumped in with the reddit dipshits.


If you're a Christian, think of it this way. Do you believe in Vishnu? No? Do you ever think much of the fact you don't believe in Vishnu? Do you buy bumper stickers proclaiming your disbelief, build a personality around it? If so, it's not that you're an a-Vishnu. You're just a faggot.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

If you want to be an Atheist, and you want me to take you seriously, don't adopt the label of a religion full of godless people who are almost universally the way the outside assumes they are. I take no issue with the faithless, I take issue with those who adopted the religion of Atheism. Taking on the musty, cum-stained label of 'Atheist', begets exactly the kind of treatment it naturally deserves, as it does not mean the same thing as simply "not believing in god". The baggage attached to the name is a heavy load, and one you'd do a lot better not to try and carry in the first place.

I'm not going to invent a new term just to distinguish myself from Reddit soys who coincidentally happen to not believe something. I literally cannot imagine anything more pretentious and faggy.

you will never ever ever be able to salvage the reputation of the branding.

It's not a "brand". I'm not part of the unfathomably cringe "atheist community". I don't go to meetings with other atheists and discuss how we can make atheism more appealing. I'm not trying to convert you or anybody else. I don't even consider the issue important enough to talk about except when threads like this specifically discussing it pop up.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

I'm not going to invent a new term just to distinguish myself from Reddit soys who coincidentally happen to not believe something. I literally cannot imagine anything more pretentious and faggy.

Then have fun spending the rest of your life having people assume that you're tipping your top to m'lady. I don't know what to tell you. Atheism's etymological origin is already cringe, pretentious, and faggy.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Then have fun spending the rest of your life having people assume that you're tipping your top to m'lady.

I don't know about you, but I've found "what is your religious affiliation?" doesn't actually come up in casual conversation all that often.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

Then have fun spending the rest of your life having people assume that you're tipping your top to m'lady. I don't know what to tell you. Atheism's etymological origin is already cringe, pretentious, and faggy.

Wow, you seem to be identical to how you described atheists. We shouldn’t give a fuck about what those people think for the same reason that you shouldn’t give a fuck what the people who see you as a Bible thumping retard think. There are obnoxious cunts of literally every belief set/group, the key is to not get MATI like a retard about it

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Wow, you seem to be identical to how you described atheists. We shouldn’t give a fuck about what those people think for the same reason that you shouldn’t give a fuck what the people who see you as a Bible thumping retard think. There are obnoxious cunts of literally every belief set/group, the key is to not get MATI like a retard about it

What you believe is up to you. Still can't wipe the musk off of wanting to deliberately associate with reddit, but it's still your call. Have yet to meet a self-proclaimed atheist who didn't end up going full mask-off neckbeard/smug cunt. As Ibanez put it, and I agree with him, it isn't normal dinnertime conversation. You don't always see people chomping at the bit to call themselves atheists, but when they do, you know exactly what to expect, because they've never said anything new. If it's not a huge part of your identity, it doesn't matter, but I've seen your posts on the subject, so I know it does.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

What you believe is up to you. Still can't wipe the musk off of wanting to deliberately associate with reddit, but it's still your call. Have yet to meet a self-proclaimed atheist who didn't end up going full mask-off neckbeard/smug cunt. As Ibanez put it, and I agree with him, it isn't normal dinnertime conversation. You don't always see people chomping at the bit to call themselves atheists, but when they do, you know exactly what to expect, because they've never said anything new. If it's not a huge part of your identity, it doesn't matter, but I've seen your posts on the subject, so I know it does.

It isn’t normal conversation, but if someone asks it shouldn’t be any big deal to answer honestly. It’s only part of my identity as far as leaving a religion is something I have done. Outside of that it really doesn’t matter. If anything it’s just that I’ve had the same experiences with religious people that you complain about atheists being. Again, people being Reddit tier smug cunts isn’t exclusive to any group. The only difference is that for atheists it’s mostly contained to the ones on Reddit/youtube whereas the religious ones just act that way in person

 

[snowdunes]

But the fact that religious morality is generally a good way to structure one's life doesn't mean God exists.

God can mean different things:

• Structure system = a collective force (some people might say that you create/summoning a God in this way).
• Spiritual creature = a sentient being made out of a medium we can not measure (yet).

If you think God as a guy up in the clouds, I can see why someone would say "God doesn't exist" after a flight, while others might say laws of nature, the "laws" themselves that can not be bent are some kind of a God like force, the force itself might be the God.

I wrote my reply from the perspective of "God = forces that creates structure".

I got my theology degree from /v/ btw, give me updoots

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

others might say laws of nature, the "laws" themselves that can not be bent are some kind of a God like force, the force itself might be the God.

Others might say that if they're retarded.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

You're conflating happiness with the absolute most base, naive kind of hedonism. I don't think one needs commandments handed down from a deity to understand the long-term value of a moderate and, well, conservative lifestyle.

Who defines the worth of a "long-term value?" Only a philosophy can do that. In the absence of such philosophy, nobody has anything telling them right for wrong, and that philosophy is the nucleus of a religion.

Well for one, like the guitar dude said, hedonism =/= happiness. You're right about it not benefitting society, but it also doesn't benefit society to treat people with disrespect like forcing them into pods and making them eat radical new diets knowing the whole time that the last generation had access to juicy burgers and nice houses.

This is the problem with leftists, they think society is an experiment and you can just change the variables at any fucking time and people will just accept it because muh science muh environment. It's a balancing act, you can care about conserving resources but give people dignity and choice. You can have certain freedoms but faggot parades where children get flashed should never be okay.

Sure it does. If we play a modified version of Pascal's Wager and assume climate change may be an imminent threat then we should certainly be living in pods and eating bugs because it's more energy efficient. Why is it important that people have the choice to live in a nice house and eat burgers, and what makes that choice better than choosing to "live your truth" and "become a woman" by cutting your penis off? Of course, by that logic we should also make murder legal since killing people decreases their carbon footprint and encourage our political leaders to mass murder the disabled and start nuclear wars so we can save the environment (atheism doesn't oppose this).

Atheism can't answer any of these by itself. That's why there are very few, if any actual atheists, because an atheist wishing to actually have morals is forced to observe the natural world and construct a self-consistent morality, which is ultimately going to be inferior to any religious morality because it is man-made and not ordained by a higher power.

 

[Chongqing]

I guess I'm ok with it in the sense that it's part of religious liberty.

They're wrong. But they have a right to be wrong.

That was hard to even type.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

an atheist wishing to actually have morals is forced to observe the natural world and construct a self-consistent morality, which is ultimately going to be inferior to any religious morality because it is man-made and not ordained by a higher power.

I don't see how that follows at all. You already easily reject every religious morality except for one anyway; what gives those ones any inherent superiority to "man-made" moral systems?

 

[Male Idiot]

Then on the other hand, the communists, climate activists and gender-evangelicals certainly exhibit what could best be described as religious fervor. I wonder if there's a way for a secular ideology to tap into the religious circuits of the brain and not have it end up in a complete disaster.

They are. The Woke are a fundamentalist and puritanical death cult. It is the 90s moral panic but now worshipping Le Soyence and its priests, Le Experterinos. There was a good attempt, and the Black Sun slumbers for now.

What you believe is up to you. Still can't wipe the musk off of wanting to deliberately associate with reddit, but it's still your call. Have yet to meet a self-proclaimed atheist who didn't end up going full mask-off neckbeard/smug cunt. As Ibanez put it, and I agree with him, it isn't normal dinnertime conversation. You don't always see people chomping at the bit to call themselves atheists, but when they do, you know exactly what to expect, because they've never said anything new. If it's not a huge part of your identity, it doesn't matter, but I've seen your posts on the subject, so I know it does.

Maybe they talk down to you because you sound like a total spaztic? Just a guess.

God can mean different things:

• Structure system = a collective force (some people might say that you create/summoning a God in this way).
• Spiritual creature = a sentient being made out of a medium we can not measure (yet).

If you think God as a guy up in the clouds, I can see why someone would say "God doesn't exist" after a flight, while others might say laws of nature, the "laws" themselves that can not be bent are some kind of a God like force, the force itself might be the God.

I wrote my reply from the perspective of "God = forces that creates structure".

I got my theology degree from /v/ btw, give me updoots

That just sounds like the laws of physics with extra steps.

I used to be very agnostic, but lately I feel less and less sympathetic to Abrahamic and thus various Christian theologies as they appear to be a factor for the Heeb infections that now destroy the West.

If viewed objectively and not through anti-christian lens, and we take that the stories about his life were mostly true, Jesus seems like a good spirited, helpful and peaceful fellow. He just wanted his hippie commune and grill fish with his buddies, but the other jews didn't like that at all. There is an intriguing tinfoil theory that he survived his execution and went to live in Japan as a monk.

While this doesn't make Don't steal and kill okay? into bad advice, it really puts doubts on the whole side dish stories that go along with it.

Be orderly and not criminal isn't exclusive to a few religions, Japan does just fine in getting low crime rates.

The problem is of course that most people are dumb. You need fairy tales to make them understand why something is the way it is, or they'll do a surlrise Tuckerchu face when the Putdemort tries to give them a history lesson.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

That just sounds like the laws of physics with extra steps.

It absolutely is. It's akin to seeing a frowny face in the electrical socket on your wall and considering it a deep, sophisticated understanding of the electromagnetic force that the unwashed masses with their naive, literal interpretation of mere impersonal volts and amps just don't appreciate.

 

[Male Idiot]

It absolutely is. It's akin to seeing a frowny face in the electrical socket on your wall and considering it a deep, sophisticated understanding of the electromagnetic force that the unwashed masses with their naive, literal interpretation of mere impersonal volts and amps just don't appreciate.

All praise the toaster!

 

[Fathomless Eminence]

Sure it does. If we play a modified version of Pascal's Wager and assume climate change may be an imminent threat then we should certainly be living in pods and eating bugs because it's more energy efficient. Why is it important that people have the choice to live in a nice house and eat burgers, and what makes that choice better than choosing to "live your truth" and "become a woman" by cutting your penis off?

Climate change doesn't matter because due to nigger welfare and the destruction of academia we will never become an interstellar species, humanity will slowly die out after peak oil because we have a shitskinned fat lipped ball and chain strapped to our collective ankles and anyone who enters the institutions that could help change things is coopted by kike morality.

So since we're doomed to live only on this planet it doesn't matter how long it lasts, radical individualism is the only correct answer. If some event happens which solves the racial issue the west is facing then sure I will eat the bugs for the good of my race but there is literally no point in minmaxing unless you want to minmax in every area of society, meaning TND/JQ resolved. I will not degrade myself to benefit shitskins.

 

[AgendaPoster]

They are. The Woke are a fundamentalist and puritanical death cult. It is the 90s moral panic but now worshipping Le Soyence and its priests, Le Experterinos. There was a good attempt, and the Black Sun slumbers for now.

I wish that were more true.
Sadly they only worship social progress, and science is immediately ignored when it offers neutral of the "wrong" answer.
Science is just a tool that they would love to have monopoly over, but that tool cannot be possessed by mere mortals, as it is just a description of how things observably work. It's irrelevant that some dirty sperg tries to sell their retard juice as science, cause if it fails the observable reality/can we reproduce your result shit, it's no longer science, just another type of propaganda.

 

[Maurice Maine]

I think general disbelief in religion paired with a belief in reinforcing some amount of societal standards and order is the next logical movement to see. People are being disillusioned by traditional authority while simultaneously being battered by progressive hypocrisy. Religion is also hard to turn to as a solution because it was extremely powerful in the past and still failed to prevent or curtail the societal decline we’ve had. That has happened before but it’s much easier to document and remember when the internet exists

Basically yeah. It's hard to believe in religion when the world is run by degenerates.

 

[Lowlife Adventures]

which is ultimately going to be inferior to any religious morality because it is man-made and not ordained by a higher power.

Inferior in terms of what? Convincing people to act according to its rules? Being an internally consistent set of beliefs? The former isn't really an advantage if you're proselytizing to people who don't believe in that higher power. If it's the latter, I don't see how it follows.

It's advantageous as a way of maintaining order and cohesion among people who already believe, because some people don't understand how their actions can be harmful and will only refrain from antisocial behavior if you tell them a higher power is going to punish them if they don't act accordingly. Aside from that, I don't know.

In the short term, that might be enough to deter people from wanting to live in pods and commit murder to lower the carbon footprint, but in an ideal situation, "my higher power said so", isn't the only thing stopping people from doing these things.

 

[raspberry mocha]

I don't think having a conservative mindset has much to do with religion or belief. It can help motivate you to be more conservative because most religions need that kind of authority to persist anyway. See the example of most orthodox religious communities.