Programming thread

[geckogoy]

I think objects are okay if its your thing but they are to be avoided most of the time

 

[llllIllIllIIIIllI]

Instead of designing a stupid niggerlicious unnecessarily abstract UML spaghetti diagram then developing 60 separate abstractvirtualinterfacefactorycontrollerpoolfactorywatcher classes to do 1 simple thing you can just be imperative for a tiny bit and have a much easier time and produce easy-to-understand programs. Have you ever actually tried this shit or have you just always been using full OOP for everything, even things that don't mean the greatest amount of sense, since your first Hindi-language Java tutorial and you just never knew anything else?

You see functional niggers repeating this but I've only seen the useless layers of abstraction in exactly one project I worked on that was dated to early 2000s. Never seen anything that does that after 2002.

I bet you can't even comprehend how fast a modern CPU is because your conception of "fast" is limited by whatever runtime or VM your POOPlang runs on. Forever disadvantaged by lack of knowing.

Completely, utterly, correct, I do not. You are disadvantaged because of your autism, you will never do anything with your holy knowledge, so it is pointless. Also, the other people that you think respect you for knowing it, actually hate you because they think you are taking away the attention they could be getting (which actually doesn't exist, nobody is looking or cares).

Everything you know about POOP design patterns is something I know about OS internals, everything you know about the latest JS babby frameworks is something I know about CPU cache efficiency. Every gay little 4cuck quip you have is something I know about compiler internals.

And all of everything you know is useless and won't make money and is just another way to dance around other low level shits to pretend to flex. Think about this long and hard - knowing all of that shit has just kept you back because now you can't use anything without autistically feeling like you are in control. You have gone backwards from your goal

Man up and learn malloc and free, pussy.

Why don't you make me faggot? I will not do so. What the fuck are you gonna do about it nigger?

I bet you don't even know how your faggot programming language works internally, do you even know how inheritance works under the hood? Probably not, faggot. I'm gonna dependency inject a little brother into your mom so you have to call me your daddy, bitch.

Again, completely correct, and it very much doesn't matter. You don't know how your car and microwave works but you use them every day. And same for everything else in the entire world, but you fell for the meme and decided you had to take years off and waste time learning old shit "because a bunch of niggers on the internet started a secret club and told me to"

adding 2 numbers in his shitscript language takes 20 processor instructions even with full jit enabled due to how "dynamic" and "powerful" the language is and he thinks that's completely fine

Yes, yes it is. Again, if you have to write a timer or something like that which measures the difference in microseconds just so you can flex, you are Byuu level lolcow autism. It's just your average person on KF doesn't know what that is so you can get away with it. Taking 10,000 processor instructions is fine because cloud hosting is cheap while development time is not, that's why OOP and frameworks are popular because you can get shit done quick then the client pays an extra $5 a month, oh no.

The main issue I have with OOP is that several aspects of it are deceptive. Inevitably overcoming these deceptions requires a new paradigm altogether.

For example, one of the major benefits advertised in OOP is encapsulation, that Objects are self contained and their values controlled internally. Over time this became more and more difficult to maintain when shared resources were involved between classes and objects. Specifically with the concept of threading on modern day operating systems. It became necessary to create objects/classes which handled ACID transactions on databases and share them between multiple classes. This results in the creation of a defacto global scope which is one of the concepts OOP was designed to avoid.

Sure OOP is still useful today, but its scalability outside of just spinning up more instances is becoming more of an issue. Irregardless of your disdain for functional programming, the industry is leaving you behind. Compact serverless functions executed on messenger queues are an industry standard now, and sure the systems which execute them are written using OOP, but writing those are going to become 0.000001% of jobs. Kind of like getting a good embedded job.

Didn't read, just bumped up the memory and CPU on my cloud instance, lol.



Guys. You need me. I've brought unity to the thread after 230 pages. If I wasn't here then you would still be jumping back and forth squawking once you slightly get the leg up on each other once you have momentary 30 seconds of fame because you realize you understand random obscure low level errata better than everyone else.

You need me to keep posting to validate your existence plus I am paying for your welfare and ramen.

You neeeed meeeeee

 

[geckogoy]

Didn't read, just bumped up the memory and CPU on my cloud instance, lol.

Are you the faggot that caused rocketchat to need the $40/mo droplet on digital ocean?

 

[llllIllIllIIIIllI]

Are you the faggot that caused rocketchat to need the $40/mo droplet on digital ocean?

Are you the faggot that that bumped my taxes up because you tricked society into thinking you are a worthwhile cause

 

[Creative Username]

You neeeed meeeeee

no we just find you funny and if you vanished from this thread today i would go back to bashing on @Concentrate Juice for his npm ass package manager system language or i would be talking about the fine intricacies of various types of UB

anyway what i think i'll say is that "developer time is more valuable than computer time" is actually pretty correct and you can do all your business logic with fucking minecraft command blocks or whatever and it'll probably be fine
HOWEVER
when you run some piece of logic a few million times a second you will need to be very careful because making something an order of magnitude slower won't make your event handler slightly slower, you will instead have a program that runs at 6fps instead of 60fps and you will look dumb
also "unused memory is wasted memory" is a bit of a cope because unused memory is actually memory that the user could be using to do more multitasking and that the operating system could be doing io caching with instead of storing 900mb of shit in ram because people keep making decisions along the lines of including an entire library to check if a number is even
also if your shit is so horribly made that it uses 27gb of ram and your user has 16gb they will probably not be delusional enough to think the same way you do and instead they will say "wow, this software would be good if it could actually run on my computer" because not everything is a cloud environment where you can move slider and pay $60 more per month to get 6x the ram because you fucked up

Are you the faggot that caused rocketchat to need the $40/mo droplet on digital ocean?

"oh paying 10x the cost for hosting because the program is unoptimized is actually ok because spending a bit of extra dev time is so costly"

 

[llllIllIllIIIIllI]

when you run some piece of logic a few million times a second you will need to be very careful because making something an order of magnitude slower won't make your event handler slightly slower, you will instead have a program that runs at 6fps instead of 60fps and you will look dumb

This is true but what is going on here is as long as the request time is under 2 seconds, not even a normie will complain. Nobody can tell the difference between the most autistic holy lean low level code that actually, behind the scenes, works in 0.0001 seconds, versus it loading in 2 seconds. So several hundred thousand orders of magnitude slower, is acceptable as long as the final number you multiplied to get to, is less than 1-2 seconds.

also "unused memory is wasted memory" is a bit of a cope because unused memory is actually memory that the user could be using to do more multitasking and that the operating system could be doing io caching with instead of storing 900mb of shit in ram because people keep making decisions along the lines of including an entire library to check if a number is even

When you write this I believe you are unaware of how cloud hosting works which is you run it as a virtual app which means you are sectioned out virtual memory on the server. You don't make web apps to run them locally. Also, even I am not going to defend NPM which is what you are referring to at the end.

also if your shit is so horribly made that it uses 27gb of ram and your user has 16gb they will probably not be delusional enough to think the same way you do and instead they will say "wow, this software would be good if it could actually run on my computer" because not everything is a cloud environment where you can move slider and pay $60 more per month to get 6x the ram because you fucked up

Again you don't run web apps as a copy on every desktop. It's like you think a web app runs 1,000 copies for 1,000 users. You put it on a server and eat the high memory cost there one time, then the rest of the computers can be dog shit thin clients or something like that. $60 a month to a business is nothing.

"oh paying 10x the cost for hosting because the program is unoptimized is actually ok because spending a bit of extra dev time is so costly"

It is, because companies are retarded and they don't know what they want

 

[Creative Username]

This is true but what is going on here is as long as the request time is under 2 seconds, not even a normie will complain. Nobody can tell the difference between the most autistic holy lean low level code that actually, behind the scenes, works in 0.0001 seconds, versus it loading in 2 seconds. So several hundred thousand orders of magnitude slower, is acceptable as long as the final number you multiplied to get to, is less than 1-2 seconds.

The user can't tell the difference between 0.005 seconds and 0.5, but the server can. Wouldn't the cloud costs be 100x the price? If you optimized it you would be able to serve a hundred times the traffic with the same money. I can't see that being completely useless, especially if the business was primarily online and had lots of traffic.
Also your example isn't "several hundred thousand orders of magnitude", that's 4 orders.

When you write this I believe you are unaware of how cloud hosting works which is you run it as a virtual app which means you are sectioned out virtual memory on the server. You don't make web apps to run them locally.

Not everything is a web app. Sometimes people write software that actually runs on the user's computer. Such software has to be relatively lean as to not step on the user's toes. Have you ever used an Electron-based application that consumes a tenth of your memory for no fucking reason because they're an entire browser in disguise? It sucks.

Again you don't run web apps as a copy on every desktop. It's like you think a web app runs 1,000 copies for 1,000 users. You put it on a server and eat the high memory cost there one time, then the rest of the computers can be dog shit thin clients or something like that. $60 a month to a business is nothing.

A lot of web apps somehow shit up the server end and the client end at the same time. Don't think sending 40MB of javascript is actually a thing any sane person and not a completely careless, if not unethical, soydev with no care for the quality of their work would do. Also I said $60 in small self-hosting contexts. It could be any number that's several times larger than what it could be.

Also, even I am not going to defend NPM which is what you are referring to at the end.

At least you have one shred of sanity.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

Can we not go back to talking about programming languages rather than arguing with the retard?

 

[Anti Snigger]

I actually like OOP, I do enjoy working out how to abstract things appropriately, it’s a fun task. I genuinely think that the main issue with it in the industry isn’t the paradigm itself, but rather how corpocode relies on it.
They prefer it because it implicitly makes programmers more replaceable in my opinion

 

[macrodegenerate]

I actually like OOP, I do enjoy working out how to abstract things appropriately, it’s a fun task. I genuinely think that the main issue with it in the industry isn’t the paradigm itself, but rather how corpocode relies on it.
They prefer it because it implicitly makes programmers more replaceable in my opinion

It makes code easier to test as well, as long as you are capable of injecting Mocks.

Jokes on you, I was only pretending to be retarded while acting superior to you scrubs. Real funny right?... Right?

Sure buddy.

 

[Anti Snigger]

It makes code easier to test as well, as long as you are capable of injecting Mocks.

Yep, that as well.
I think a fair bit of my affinity toward it is due to my math background

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Since most of you are autistic with strong opinions about things, what's the deal with avif suddenly being used by websites and what may be the reasoning to use it over webp?

 

[Catboy Ranch]

I love that the resident retard of this thread is a Java 8 nazi—the computer language with the highest pajeet quotient.

Hindu supremacist on our hands?

 

[y a t s]

Since most of you are autistic with strong opinions about things, what's the deal with avif suddenly being used by websites and what may be the reasoning to use it over webp?

WebP's lossy compression is based off VP8's intra-frame coding, if I'm remembering correctly. AVIF uses AV1 for compression, which is more modern and arguably better quality in most cases. The compression ratios are probably nicer on average too.

Edge got AVIF support in January 2024 and Crapple added support on their stuff back in 2022. Adoption is probably ramping up due to increased software-level support like this.

It's nice seeing AV1 finally gain more widespread adoption and hardware support (e.g. NVENC on RTX 40 series cards).

 

[Benzo Samurai]

I love that the resident retard of this thread is a Java 8 nazi—the computer language with the highest pajeet quotient.

Hindu supremacist on our hands?

besides, what i think is strange about him is that no one in this thread is a proper inCel who claims that C and C++ is the only way of doing stuff with computers, this thread has tons of encouraging comments about other 'less autistic' languages, encouraging people to learn JS and whatever.

 

[macrodegenerate]

I love that the resident retard of this thread is a Java 8 nazi—the computer language with the highest pajeet quotient.

Hindu supremacist on our hands?

What's even funnier is that Java isn't even that good of a JVM language anymore. It's always trying to catch up to the features implemented in Kotlin. If enterprises were more open to switching over, really Java would be dead.

 

[Ghost of Biden]

Is the IIIIIIII guy a self hating poo?

 

[Whatevermancer]

 

[moocow]

also it uses static linking all the goddamn time so you make a helloworld app and then it's 1.2 megabytes because "le storage space is cheap or something" like fuck you nigger maybe i wanted to use that space for something else than 47265695 copies of the same 3 libraries

This drives me nuts about languages like Go and Rust. Runtimes don't have to be huge and neither do the standard libraries. They just suck at what they do.

Meanwhile I can run a full Erlang or Elixir stack on a fucking ESP32 with 500 *kilobytes* of RAM and 2MB of flash if I'm splurging for "fancy" hardware. Then again Erlang, Elixir and the BEAM were all designed and written by competent engineers with real-world engineering requirements, not trannies in programmer socks chasing trends.

 

[Creative Username]

This drives me nuts about languages like Go and Rust. Runtimes don't have to be huge and neither do the standard libraries. They just suck at what they do.

A large selling point of Rust is that it doesn't have a big runtime but then they do stupid shit like statically linking the standard library so you have huge executable images. At that point just make it a JIT language like dude seriously what the fuck
Highly disappointing.