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The Blue Morpho said:
I hope the Democratic Party is completely destroyed after Trump's second term. The surviving elements of the regime might graft themselves onto the Greens or start a new party, the Girldick-For-Palestine Party.
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Won’t happen for the same reason that Trump co-opted the Republican Party instead of creating the MAGA party: It’s a great way to ensure that your opponent gets to stay in power uncontested for the next couple decades.
 
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OrionBalls said:
But he said we should be required to vote for our own party in the general election. That's dumb. I've voted for Republicans and Democrats in the general. I vote for who I think would best do the job, and that doesn't always fall along my party's lines.

So because I'm a registered Dem, I should be forced to vote for Biden in the general election? No, thanks.
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Then you register as an Independent and don't partake in their respective primaries. That's what I do.
 
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StarkRavingMad said:
Her 2020 campaign was one of the first to crash and burn because people hate her so much. Couldn't even win her own state.

She has a record she cannot defend.

She even came across horribly with her debate against Mike Pence (though, that was a debate that didn't matter-- nobody cared about the VP candidates in 2020)
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Harris was speaking, though, and she has, in fact, spoken.
 
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The Nothingness said:
How much more of a bad remake of 1968 will 2024 be?

  • Presidential candidate shot (dies in original, lives in remake)
  • Unpopular Democrat incumbent (didn't seek reelection in original, currently a toss-up in remake)
  • Armed conflicts overseas that have divided the American public (Vietnam in original, Ukraine and Israel in remake)
  • Democrat convention in Chicago (riots in the original, yet to be seen in the remake)
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Hey, this remake is already better than the original.
curbside2 said:
Stephen King took a moment to playfully interact with his friend JK Rowling after she made an anti trans statement. This left his fans confused and outraged. They followed up by asking him to clarify. He doubled down on not caring.

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Well, being a fan of Stephen King does warrant contempt.
 
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curbside2 said:
Stephen King took a moment to playfully interact with his friend JK Rowling after she made an anti trans statement. This left his fans confused and outraged. They followed up by asking him to clarify. He doubled down on not caring.

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And they immediately start slinging mud at him, as if these people keep closer tabs on their friends than their enemies.

Just in case.
 
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Behind the Curtain: Top Dems now believe Biden will exit
Several top Democrats privately tell us the rising pressure of party congressional leaders and close friends will persuade President Biden to decide to drop out of the presidential race, as soon as this weekend.
Why it matters: The 81-year-old president, now self-isolating with COVID, remains publicly dug in. But privately he's resigned to mounting pressure, bad polls, and untenable scrutiny making it impossible to continue his campaign, the Democrats tell us.
Behind the scenes: The private message, distilled to its bluntest form: The top leaders of his party, his friends and key donors believe he can't win, can't change public perceptions of his age and acuity, and can't deliver congressional majorities.
  • The president is being told that if he stays in, former President Trump could win in a landslide and wipe away Biden's legacy and Democrats' hopes in November.
State of play: The pressure to step aside as a candidate has been rising to intolerable levels, especially over the past few days.
  • Democrats fully expect polls after the Republican National Convention to show a possible blowout that could bring down Democrats in Congress, too.
  • "His choice is to be one of history's heroes, or to be sure of the fact that there'll never be a Biden presidential library," one of the president's close friends told us. "I pray that he does the right thing. He's headed that way."
  • Yesterday's AP poll, showing nearly two-thirds of Democrats want Biden to withdraw from the presidential race, ricocheted through the White House and Congress.
A panic pressure campaign is pounding Biden. It has been relentless — and coordinated.
  • Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told Biden in Rehoboth Beach, Del., on Saturday — the day of the assassination attempt on Trump — that it would be best if he dropped out, ABC News first reported. Dems on Capitol Hill want him out, and worry they'll lose winnable seats if not.
  • Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), a mastermind of the campaign to get Biden out, told him that he could destroy Democrats' chances of taking back the House. We're told she's also worried about donations drying up.
  • House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) delivered a similar, if more subtle, message to Biden.
  • Former President Obama has spoken loudly with his silence — and his former aides trashing Biden in public.
  • Bill and Hillary Clinton are doing what Obama's doing. So are their former aides.
  • We increasingly hear top Biden aides, including ones who initially urged him to fight on after his disastrous debate on June 27 — 21 days ago — are saying it's now when, not if, Biden announces he's not running.
Between the lines: Democratic insiders were hoping to avoid this. They love and respect Biden and appreciate his historic accomplishments.
  • As we told you in a "Behind the Curtain" column 18 days ago, a Democratic official said Biden "will not be dragged off the stage ... The goal is to let him walk off the stage."
  • But he wouldn't take the hints, loud as they got. So it's come to this. "He's forcing people who like him and respect him to resort to trying to shame him," a well-known Democrat close to the West Wing told us.
Reality check: Biden can't be forced out. He has the delegates. No one can physically pry them away. He needs to do it by choice and on his terms.

  • If Biden wanted to stay in, he'd be impenetrable, thanks to liberal leaders and the Congressional Black Caucus. But his closest friends believe he's fought the good fight and will succumb to reality.
The White House told us about the Schumer and Jeffries conversations: "The president told both leaders he is the nominee of the party, he plans to win, and looks forward to working with both of them to pass his 100 days agenda to help working families."
  • The Biden-Harris campaign tells us: "If the facts matter — and they should — here is one: President Biden is the Democratic nominee and he is going to win this November."
But Biden is doing two new and telling things: listening more and asking about Vice President Harris' prospects against Trump. That's why you see all the leaks about Biden being open-minded. He would hardly talk to naysayers a week ago.
  • The most likely scenario is Biden bows out and endorses Harris — but also flicks to letting the delegates sort it out if the party feels otherwise. That would aim to defuse any criticism that the Democratic Party was being undemocratic.
  • Harris would be hard to stop — perhaps impossible — if the Obamas and Clintons joined Biden, Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) and the Congressional Black Caucus in backing her. It's not clear the coronation would be so fast and clear, however.
The bottom line: Don't underestimate how badly some Democrats simply want a ticket that can win in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Win those, and Democrats likely win the presidency. Lose them, they're toast.
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Allanon said:
There's a popular theory of people who are Alex Jones or deeper that says the Deep State/Illuminati/etc must always signal what they're going to do in a way that is visible to the public, but that the public will not understand. Allegedly they believe that this grants them more magical power. Thus, you will see a bunch of various references to events in media and other things before it happens, or you see people cryptically warning or confessing to things in retrospect.
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Something often said in Orthodox Judaism is "the first thing God will ask you on the day of your judgment is 'Were you honest in your business dealings?'" That's what they're doing. Being honest in their business dealings, in a manner of speaking. Similar to how stringing a wire around a section of city makes it technically "your house."
 
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Catboy Ranch said:
Give me the clock for it... but seeing aging senators running down Cheatle and screaming at her is a sight to behold

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The USSS provides security for pretty much the entire upper crust of D.C. and government. They have a unusual level of skin in this game. If she can be sloppy and open Trump to be assassinated what is stopping others from being setup the same way? It's the Secret Service not the Praetorian Guard in late empire Rome.
 
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At the very least screenshot this shit.
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Mr. Trump made clear to his team that he wanted the 2024 platform to be his and his alone. He wanted it to be much shorter and simpler - and, in some cases, vaguer. He was especially focused on the language about abortion, which he recognized was a potentially potent issue against him in a general election. He wanted nothing in the platform that would give Democrats an opening to attack him, and he made clear to aides that he was perfectly fine with bucking social conservatives, for whom he had delivered a tremendous victory by reshaping the Supreme Court with a conservative supermajority. Mr. Trump also stressed that he did not want to define marriage as between one man and one woman. Instead, the document contains a vague statement open to interpretation: "Republicans will promote a Culture that values the Sanctity of Marriage."
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One person involved in the process recalled Mr. Trump saying privately: "Sanctity of marriage. Don't define it." Three months ago, Mr. Trump's team set about giving him the platform he wanted. The Trump campaign decided it would go to every delegation in the country to handpick the people who would represent the campaign on committees for rules, credentials and the party platform. It was an enormous organizational exercise overseen by Mr. Trump's senior adviser James Blair. A small team was set to draft the platform. A speechwriter, Vince Haley, took the lead. There were only a handful of people on a list of those receiving the text, according to a person involved in the process who was not authorized to discuss the details publicly.
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Donald J. Trump long ago decided he wanted a very different Republican Party platform in 2024. The delegates who arrived in Milwaukee early last week before the Republican National Convention, with grand plans of drafting a sweeping document of party principles, quickly found out just how determined he was. Within minutes of their arrival, their cellphones were confiscated and placed in magnetically sealed pouches. There would be no leaks of information. It was only then that the delegates received a copy of the platform language the Trump team had meticulously prepared, which slashed the platform size by nearly three- quarters. "This is something that ultimately you'll pass," Mr. Trump told the delegates by phone and made audible to the room, according to a person who was there and who was not authorized to speak publicly. "You'll pass it quickly." He was right. Within hours, the platform committee had endorsed a document that Mr. Trump had personally dictated parts of, according to two people with direct knowledge of the events, and it all happened before the delegates got their phones back. The committee passed the platform by a vote of 84 to 18.
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Gayle Ruzicka, who has been attending conventions since 1992 and served on multiple platform committees, said the participants had been told the evening before that there would be subcommittee meetings. Instead, she said, delegates were handed what they were told was a draft on Monday. She said that after roughly two hours and no amendments considered, the draft was ratified in full. "It was not honest, and that was what bothered me," Ms. Ruzicka said. There were roughly two hours of speeches but little to no debate about specific platform provisions, she said, adding, "We ended up voting on the platform we hadn't even read yet." But Ms. Ruzicka, among the social conservatives hoping to offer stronger anti-abortion language, did not blame Mr. Trump. "I don't think he told his people to lie to us," she said. Tabitha Walter, the executive director of the Eagle Forum, a conservative group that focuses on social issues, was a credentialed guest but said that party officials closely shadowed her, with one person seemingly assigned to her individually. "Anywhere I would go get coffee and go to the bathroom, she would follow me around," Ms. Walter said. "Any time I would take notes, she would read them." She added that it "felt very hostile," calling the platform experience a "strong-arming"
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Recent events have chipped away on the reddit hive mind. No one can quite agree on the spin for each story.
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They do have a point that the MSM that would normally blast wall-to-wall coverage on the past three decades' biggest political clickbait moment is probably instead going to heavily downplay this to stifle Trump. However, after 2016-2023, their influence is incredibly damaged, and independent reporters + Trump's own efforts will likely help prevent this from being memory holed like they'd want it to be.
Devout Muslim said:
I’m tired of pretending there’s anything wrong with being anti-immigration.

Fuck off! We’re full!
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We're actually very much not. Huge swathes of this country are barely populated. Just register yourself first and contribute to society like everyone else and stop all cramming like sardines into big cities and actively making them worse with overpopulation. Properly regulated immigration is a part of the fabric of this country, and one of its strengths - it ensures the people living here by and large love this country and don't want it to be like anywhere else. Illegal and unregulated immigration is the trash that undermines all that with people who see this country as lesser and just something to exploit..
The Blue Morpho said:
Democracy is fake and gay, and mass democracy scales very poorly past the city-state level. But systems are only part of the equation. Garbage-in, garbage-out. To fix the country generally means making Americans less fat, lazy, stupid and degenerate.
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That's why we have a democratic republic and not a democracy, because democracy sucks. The party system is antithetical to our election system, especially the concept of needing to be approved for the ballot and the questionable nature of write ins. All presidential candidates should be write-in. No candidate can be the 'official candidate of a party'. Vote on their actual policies (or even just if they're hot), not on their party. The party system will always devolve into a two-party system and teeter on a uniparty scenario, and a two-party system destroys our election protections.
curbside2 said:
Stephen King took a moment to playfully interact with his friend JK Rowling after she made an anti trans statement. This left his fans confused and outraged. They followed up by asking him to clarify. He doubled down on not caring.

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It's very funny to me these kids are turning on King now, too. King is just like JKR - very outspoken left, makes stupid and histrionic takes because of this, will fight with literal nobodies about Trump being evil. He just can't keep up with the turning of the progress machine and thinks you're still supposed to support women, instead of worshipping men pretending to be women, and now he's a creep.
 
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