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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
Probably. But why, when they have come DIRECTLY from France, do they have to be assessed in the UK? Should they have been assessed in France (or the "free" countries they came through)?
They crossed the channel on a boat to claim asylum that they should have claimed before climbing in the rubber boat, fuck them straight back. They can bleat to their lawyers about ECHR in the first country they came to.
This is a pretty widespread misconception, which probably is so widespread because it used to be the rule. (But more on that later!) With apologies to Colin Yeo, herein lies the difficulty.

There is no obligation in the Refugee Convention, either explicit or implicit, to claim asylum in the first safe country reached by a refugee.

The UN Refugee Convention actually gives refugees a degree of choice as to where they seek asylum, in fact.
Article 31 of the Convention protects refugees against prosecution for illegal entry to a receiving country in certain circumstances:
The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
This is not a right of entry. But it is protection against penalisation if the person does manage to evade the border guards and enter a country anyway. Remember the hostile environment and Sue Ellen frothing at the mouth about all the terribad things she would do to 'illegal migrants' but actually she did fuck all? She knew she was going to do fuck all, and she knew the above Article was exactly why.

The 'problem' is fuck all to do with the ECHR or Strasbourg in reality. The issue comes from within the wording of the Convention itself.

"But," you cry, "does that mean that a refugee can leave a country on the other side of the world, make no effort to claim asylum until they reach Shitthole-upon-Thames, and then claim asylum because they just fancy Shitthole-upon-Thames more than say, Lille?"
Yes. That is the exact correct reading of international law on this matter.

"b-b-but muh first safe country rule!! Where did that go???" Easy. The abolition of the 'first safe country rule' was one of the numerous benefits of Brexit. That went up in a blue light along with our EU membership. You see, that rule isn't found anywhere in the Convention, or any other bit of international refugee law.

Where it still is found, though, is in an agreement between EU members called the Dublin Convention. This is now incorporated into EU law, which as any fule kno, the UK is no longer a party to.

Back in the 1990s the EU set about creating the Common European Asylum System in order to standardise asylum law and process across the whole of the EU and thereby reduce incentives for asylum seekers to travel within the EU. If they would be treated broadly the same everywhere, the reasoning went, they would not seek to move between EU countries.

The development of the system was largely driven by the UK in order to rationalise the Dublin Convention, originally agreed outside the auspices of the EU in 1995. Latterly referred to as the Dublin system or the Dublin Regulation, it is now a piece of EU law. Where an asylum seeker has been fingerprinted in an EU Member State but then moves on to another EU Member State, under the Dublin system the asylum seeker can be sent back to the first country to have the asylum claim processed there.

For example, if an asylum seeker reaches Italy, is fingerprinted then travels to the UK and claims asylum, pretty much the first thing the Home Office used to do is take fingerprints, check them against the central Eurodac fingerprint database and then if a match is found, notify the other country and send the asylum seeker back there pronto.

There is no legal duty or obligation on the asylum seeker to claim and remain in the first safe country and an asylum seeker who moves on is not breaking the law by doing so, or disqualifying themselves from refugee status. But as a matter of administration, one EU country can send the asylum seeker back to another EU country under this system.

There used to be over a thousand of these “Dublin removals” every year from the United Kingdom, although the number fell over time and was eventually exceeded by transfers in by children to join families here. There was however a very substantial chilling effect that encouraged a lot of people to just cool their heels in Hamburg and Napoli rather than trying to get to Kent and get bounced anyway. There is now absolutely no reason to not try your luck and try to enter the UK.

An inevitable consequence of the type of Brexit pursued by the UK government was that the UK left the Common European Asylum System and the Dublin Regulation. In short, removals to safe European countries were rendered impossible by Brexit.

Since Brexit, the UK government has tried to implement a system whereby those people who have passed through a third country can be excluded from the asylum system in certain circumstances. However the absence of anywhere to send people whose claims are deemed “inadmissible” has instead brought the asylum system to a grinding halt. (And hence, the absolute brain tumour of the 'Rwanda plan' - buy the right for these people to stay in another third country.)

"HOW CAN WE NO PUT THEM BACK IN CALAIS" inquires average Question Time panellist. The answer is simple: turning up on the territory of another sovereign nation, unloading individuals and running away - for this seems to be the proposal - is, in terms of international law and comity, very much the same as turning up and unloading some soldiers there for a bit of rape 'n' pillage. And is likely to meet with the same response.

We cannot just send refugees to France because the French government would not accept them. One country cannot simply send a person to another country without the receiving country’s permission. Other countries don’t do it to us and we don’t do it to them. It’s pretty basic.

Imagine, how would it work? If just placed on a boat, plane, train or automobile, the receiving officials would refuse to let the person disembark or would just send them straight back to the UK. The UK would then face the same problem. Ferry terminals and airports would quickly start to fill with people caught in bureaucratic limbo. We would be as popular as a case of monkeypox on Grindr with our fellow sovereign nations. The smarter ones would very quickly ban flights and ships coming from the UK as they would know we were planning to dump a bushel of chinky dinks and run away.

UK border officials could physically take a person to the other country, perhaps, and then hand them over. But what happens when the receiving officials say “va te faire foutre”? Do the UK officials just leave with the gypsy in hot pursuit?

Intercepting dinghies in the Channel and then towing them to France likewise is also impossible, at least without endangering life. Actively firing on small boats with the intention to sink them and kill the occupants is the sort of thing the Americans get all invade-y about if they think you have any oil. We would definitely have to sit in the super naughty corner with Israel and Russia for that. Landing the occupants of the dinghies in France without French permission would be tantamount to an actual rather than imagined invasion. The French would certainly fire on any British ships attempting to do so.
 
Count down until they find a way to blame whitey for the lawless savages acting as expected for third world imports.

Get used to these events, they're only going to get more common and with the police being told to stand off look forwards to your shit getting fucked up with no help to prevent it by the people who we supposedly empower to prevent it.

Reminder that riot is expressly disclaimed in every insurance policy. Technically speaking a riot should be compensated by the police under the riot compensation act

The Riot Compensation Act (RCA) gives victims of criminal damage or loss during a riot the right to compensation. It is designed to allow communities to recover quickly from the impact of rioting.

If your property is not adequately insured you can claim compensation under the RCA from the local police claims authority.

In order to qualify for compensation victims must demonstrate that the damage or loss they have suffered was as a result of a riot.

With the important bit bolded. It's on you to show it was the result of a riot which is not a simple thing to show.

Where 12 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence for a common purpose and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using unlawful violence for the common purpose is guilty of riot


In the London 2011 riot after some drug dealing scum ate a police bullet it was obvious it was a riot right? Well it took until 2016 for it to be decided for compensation purposes if it was a riot or not, and went all the way to the supreme court.

Imagine your house and car get torched and it takes 5 years for the insurance to finish fighting with the police in court before someone pays out. Oh and shit like lost wages/business ain't covered by the act even if it was a riot so sorry if your business goes up in smoke too...
 
Immigration from shitholes hasn't helped, but a good chunk of the people rioting, as is often the case in the UK are 4-5th generation blacks or pakis.
People need to accept that even the "good" ones will have kids that just regress to the norm of their kind. Which is basically Orc behaviour and mindsets. There should be none of them here.
 
Immigration from shitholes hasn't helped, but a good chunk of the people rioting, as is often the case in the UK are 4-5th generation blacks or pakis.
In the demographics bit I posted earlier only 57.4% of the population of the area were born in the UK.

The main 3 non UK are

17.9% middle east
13.4% EU
9.2% Africa

Delving further into the numbers, by ethnicity

11799 are "asian"
5364 are black

With the number of people born outside the UK being

5538 middle east and Asia
2841 Africa

Assuming the people born in those areas have the expected ethnicity then

46.9% of "asians"
52.9% of blacs

are 1st generation.

That's a significant import of people into an area and I guarantee it isn't just the UK born ones flipping and burning anything they can find.
 
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People need to accept that even the "good" ones will have kids that just regress to the norm of their kind. Which is basically Orc behaviour and mindsets. There should be none of them here.
I was talking to my friend about this the other day. He brought up how the Windrush generation were happy to come to the UK and wanted to be "British" (i mean the entire Windrush thing was just one big scheme to pay lower wages) and i brought up how they could never be "British" and that i actually felt sorry for both them, and the native Britons. It was basically the start of "multiculturalism" in Britain all under the guise of "building back the country" after the war (they mainly drove buses and did other menial low paying jobs because the fat cats could get away with paying them less than a native). I mentioned to my friend how a lot of the descendants of the Windrush generation were a problem in the 70's/80's/90's etc and are also a problem now, a lot of Carribean kids dealing drugs, stabbing people, knocking up coalburners and ditching etc..

Same problem for the current influx of legal Africans, mainly Nigerians. They come from wealthy families in Nigeria, the average normie claps and says it's good that we're letting the "right" ones in. Wait a generation and see how that turns out, their kids are the ones that are either protesting for BLM/Palestine etc.. or become drill rappers in London selling coke and stabbing each other.
 
We have an...explanation? Of what caused the riot.
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I cannot parse his creole.
Sounds like a Romanian with middle aged man boobs claiming 1 kid pushed another kid over while the parents were away working so later the parents took the kid hospital, when they got back the cops took one kid away into care.
Source, accent and skin tone are the same as one I work with.
 
Sounds like a Romanian with middle aged man boobs claiming 1 kid pushed another kid over while the parents were away working so later the parents took the kid hospital, when they got back the cops took one kid away into care.
Source, accent and skin tone are the same as one I work with.
Your translation matches mine, to be honest he's easy enough to understand just speaking slowly.

He also claims when the social workers came no investigations had been done into the actual injuries and things had been faked. I'm torn, on the one hand "they fell" is an abusive parent's go-to for a reason and I feel a full investigation would have been done unless the parents have prior for this. In addition insular communities are happy to lie to cover one of their own.

On the other hand the police and social workers don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
 
Your translation matches mine, to be honest he's easy enough to understand just speaking slowly.

He also claims when the social workers came no investigations had been done into the actual injuries and things had been faked. I'm torn, on the one hand "they fell" is an abusive parent's go-to for a reason and I feel a full investigation would have been done unless the parents have prior for this. In addition insular communities are happy to lie to cover one of their own.

On the other hand the police and social workers don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Baby is seven months old, currently in hospital with a serious brain bleed. Parents were drunk when cops arrive. They claim a seven month old baby 'fell out of a first floor window' onto the pavement.

I know who I'm not giving the benefit of any doubt there.

The removal was an emergency removal because a kid who probably isn't even walking yet is probably going to die.
 
Baby is seven months old, currently in hospital with a serious brain bleed. Parents were drunk when cops arrive. They claim a seven month old baby 'fell out of a first floor window' onto the pavement.

I know who I'm not giving the benefit of any doubt there.

The removal was an emergency removal because a kid who probably isn't even walking yet is probably going to die.
But that’s just their culture and we need to be more understanding of it.
 
Pretty funny that it's pissed down across most of the UK all summer, and the very moment there's a break in the weather and the sun comes out for 5 minutes, the country fucking explodes into violent riots. The UK police deserve everything they get from these angry shitskins.
 
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Baby is seven months old, currently in hospital with a serious brain bleed. Parents were drunk when cops arrive. They claim a seven month old baby 'fell out of a first floor window' onto the pavement.

I know who I'm not giving the benefit of any doubt there.

The removal was an emergency removal because a kid who probably isn't even walking yet is probably going to die.
Yeah, social services almost never actually do their jobs, and normally just leave the kids to die in squalid conditions; then offer a shrug and 'sorry' when the inquiry comes back. For them to actually remove them from somewhere, it must have been dire.
 
as is often the case in the UK are 4-5th generation blacks or pakis.
No. That would put them at the middle of the 1800's. My grandfather (making me 2nd generation) was born in 1929. His grandfather was born somewhere around 1850/1860

It was basically the start of "multiculturalism" in Britain all under the guise of "building back the country"
We've always had multiculturalism. India and Britain were close (after the massacres) and post ww2 the Irish and Indians (Mainly Sikhs) helped rebuild Britain, then came windrush. When the pakistanis and bangladeshis started to hit us in the 80s, that's when shit went south.

Bear in mind, during the 90s we had yugoslavians, iranians, iraqis, bosnians and sebs come to our country for asylum, with little trouble at all. Yet when the scumbag Afrians (not all are scumbags, again some are God fearing and integrate with British values well) and scumbag middle-easterns came, that's when shit accelerated south in quick-time.
 
No. That would put them at the middle of the 1800's. My grandfather (making me 2nd generation) was born in 1929. His grandfather was born somewhere around 1850/1860


We've always had multiculturalism. India and Britain were close (after the massacres) and post ww2 the Irish and Indians (Mainly Sikhs) helped rebuild Britain, then came windrush. When the pakistanis and bangladeshis started to hit us in the 80s, that's when shit went south.

Bear in mind, during the 90s we had yugoslavians, iranians, iraqis, bosnians and sebs come to our country for asylum, with little trouble at all. Yet when the scumbag Afrians (not all are scumbags, again some are God fearing and integrate with British values well) and scumbag middle-easterns came, that's when shit accelerated south in quick-time.
There’s a small Arab community in my home town and it might be a few that are pretty chill. My dad is mates with half of them. They’re mainly the kids of wealthy Syrians, speak English, integrate, and have actual small businesses rather than fronts for organised crime.

We’re super lucky with this and it also means if anyone tries to move durka durka jihad types in they’ll probably sort them out pretty swiftly and quietly.

That kind of immigration I can support.
 
Baby is seven months old, currently in hospital with a serious brain bleed. Parents were drunk when cops arrive. They claim a seven month old baby 'fell out of a first floor window' onto the pavement.
And there's the closer truth. Kind of doubted "fell over in the street" claim would be true but I was prepared to wait for facts.
 
No. That would put them at the middle of the 1800's. My grandfather (making me 2nd generation) was born in 1929. His grandfather was born somewhere around 1850/1860
I think you don't grasp the extent of how many children these people pump out. The first wave of Windrush was 1948, lets say that first wave have a child when they get here, then lets say the median age of reproduction for Afro-Carribean people in the UK is 22 (it's usually between mid teens to mid 20's) that first waves children would be 22 themselves in 1970, the generation after would be 22 in 1992, the generation after 22 in 2014. That is 3 generations not including the original migrants. There are some cases where it could be 4 generations because as i previously stated, they are known for producing offspring at very young ages, along with knocking up coalburners and leaving. It's actually a stereotype at this point.

Pakis are a bit different in that they came a little bit later and tended to be a bit more strict. They are still outbirthing natives currently with the average child count per woman being between 3-4. The only demographics that are consistently pumping out as many are African households and Travellers. Some might argue "well, a lot of lower income white trash families have too many kids too!" that is true sometimes, but is actually dropping off quite a bit. Also a lot of these large families are usually white native women with a horde of mulatto kids from multiple different fathers (usually Carribean) and for some reason get lumped in with the overall native birthrate.

We've always had multiculturalism. India and Britain were close (after the massacres) and post ww2 the Irish and Indians (Mainly Sikhs) helped rebuild Britain, then came windrush. When the pakistanis and bangladeshis started to hit us in the 80s, that's when shit went south.

Bear in mind, during the 90s we had yugoslavians, iranians, iraqis, bosnians and sebs come to our country for asylum, with little trouble at all. Yet when the scumbag Afrians (not all are scumbags, again some are God fearing and integrate with British values well) and scumbag middle-easterns came, that's when shit accelerated south in quick-time.
We have had different European cultures in Britain, we had the occasional Arabic or Chinese trader in coastal towns during the middle ages and the wealthy upper caste of India would make voyages to the UK for some reason (they wouldn't migrate here though) , but no, we have not been "multicultural" in the sense you are implying. This is a relatively recent situation and is already a problem. The Irish are a Celtic people so share a lot of history and genealogy with the people of the British Isles due to history like i mentioned and close proximity. The Irish were often employed as cheap migrant labourers here and in the U.S, i know they helped to rebuild parts of cities after the war, first i have heard of Indians being major contributors, do you have any good sources for that claim? i am genuinely curious. I personally have no problem with Indians, the Sikhs to be specific, they are decent folk but they still shouldn't be here.

Iraqis have been a problem, to a lesser extent so have some Iranians. and we hardly got any Yugoslav refugees during the wars. Many went to places like Sweden, Germany, Austria and Switzerland and look how that turned out. The Serbs can be okay and integrate well, Bosnians and Albanians are a big problem, Albanians especially. The Albanian diaspora have strong ties to Albania and a strong understanding of ethnic identity, similar to Turks.. very much a "us vs them" mentality.

EDIT. We should probably continue this in dms so as not to shit up the thread. Also i should probably not write essays in future, apologies.
 
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