I've been incredibly busy with life stuff, some real life opportunities have hit me all at once since May and my free time has become a lot less free. I've got a vacation coming up this month though so if I don't have anything out by then I will give you my home address so you can hold me at gunpoint.
After reading some things @Dr. Ricearoni has been saying on the Kennel Club chat I have personally given up on his NoP Reviews for the time being.
Idk what Scream Aim fire has in store but I hope it's somewhat interesting, maybe he'll continue reviewing thisstory from the TF community thread, that was one crazy fucking read.
I should get working on reviewing something, i found a comic with a pretty good artstyle but a questionably written story.
After reading some things @Dr. Ricearoni has been saying on the Kennel Club chat I have personally given up on his NoP Reviews for the time being.
Idk what Scream Aim fire has in store but I hope it's somewhat interesting, maybe he'll continue reviewing thisstory from the TF community thread, that was one crazy fucking read.
I should get working on reviewing something, i found a comic with a pretty good artstyle but a questionably written story.
After reading some things @Dr. Ricearoni has been saying on the Kennel Club chat I have personally given up on his NoP Reviews for the time being.
Idk what Scream Aim fire has in store but I hope it's somewhat interesting, maybe he'll continue reviewing thisstory from the TF community thread, that was one crazy fucking read.
I should get working on reviewing something, i found a comic with a pretty good artstyle but a questionably written story.
Thanks for the vote of confidence! Truth be told, life has been... fairly busy these past months, particularly with my job and writing and such, and it doesn't give me nearly as much time as I used to have for reviewing. I've got a few things that I'd like to make so write-ups for, but... well, time is rather short on my end. I do have a list of things I want to make reviews for, eventually:
For the TF stories:
- For starters, the aforementioned story on the TF Community thread - The Twin Fires. I have been meaning to hop back and finish up that review; it gets so much worse as the story goes on, and it is fun being able to pick the entire trash fire apart. At the same time, though, it gets to the point where I have to read the chapters repeatedly just to properly get all of the details, and it starts to... wear on you, after a bit. The chapters are bloated and poorly formatted, and coupled with the constant apathy and generally shit story, it can take a whiile just to write a proper review for ONE chapter.
- Aside from that, though, there's a few other stories that I was also planning on reviewing; for TF stories, the first of which was ShadowLugia249. I learned about him awhile back, and he was fairly infamous in several fandoms back in the day for writing a number of rather openly adult-oriented fetish fics that somehow managed to get rated E For All Ages on FF.net. Previously, someone had already reviewed his fics on several sites; however, those sites are now gone for some reason, so I'm going to be reviewing one of his stories here. I mean, every single one of his fics has the same general plot, so... you review one, and you review them all, effectively.
- Rounding out the TF story stuff is Tombfyre; this guy has been a member of the furry fandom since the year 2000, and he's still pretty active and relevant, surprisingly enough; I think he's even published an actual book, recently (https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10784107/). As you'd expect for a member of the fandom, he's... a bit of a loon; constantly shoves fetish shit and wokeshit into his stories, and has more than a few stories talking about how much he hates humanity, wants to kill the political right, and wants to fuck animals. Actually finding a single, specific story to review for this guy is difficult; I mean, there's just so much to comb through that picking a single one is difficult. There's also a couple of deleted stories of his; more on that below.
Outside of TF stories, I've got some other authors I want to post about:
- For starters, there's infinityunbound, an author from 2013 that wrote... well, not exactly a traditional story (i.e., chapter-by-chapter format) but rather a collection of posts going into rather autistic detail about his Magical Realm, with each post having enough walls of text to be considered their own story, frankly. As for the setting itself; well, the guy's either a furry or a troll, and I'm not sure which. He wrote out a furry setting that is basically so stereotypically "pro-furry, anti-human" that it genuinely hurts; an anti-furry group in his story is outright called "Christians for Ignorance", for starters. Granted, that's not exactly unheard of in furry stories - the above-mentioned Tombfyre has similar, and Chakona Space is even more blatant - but I do think I remember reading a post years ago that indicated he is just a troll. I can't find that post again for the life of me, though, (it might've been for another guy, frankly) which is why I posted about this guy here.
- There's also the UTO story I mentioned a while back; basically, "macro race of furries protect humanity from race of macro lizards, now the races have to learn to cooperate". I as planning on doing a review for that story, as well; issue is, I have yet to really read the whole setting, so I can't give a good review without proper knowledge. I do know that what little I have read has left me... torn; on one hand, humanity is noted to be extremely resourceful and adaptive - which already sets it well above most other furry fiction - but on the other hand, there's a bunch of chapters and passages calling humanity "weak" and "idiotic" repeatedly. The fact that it's a blatant fetish setting is also making me hesitant about jumping in; there's only so much you can take, honestly.
- Furthermore, overlapping with the TF story stuff above, I have an officially-published story for you all: Proper Programming Prevents Poor Performance (https://www.amazon.com/Proper-Programming-Prevents-Poor-Performance/dp/152100899X). This happy little sack of shit is a sci-fi TF story about a pair of space voyagers that try and loot an old derelict; the situation quickly escalates, as they find out what exactly happened to the original crew. It's locked behind a paywall, but I do remember the original plot, for the most part; the author actually posted the full story to SoFurry, years ago, before eventually "publishing" it on Amazon. If anyone is curious, I'll be happy to post what I can.
- There's also some other, miscellaneous stories that I was thinking about doing so mini-reviews about; Suibelly, some stuff from Chakona Space, the Vulcan Automata series, there's tons of things I could write about, if anyone is curious.
Outside of all of that, there's a few "deleted stories" I'd like to post. By that, I mean that there's a few old stories that I remember reading back in the day that are now gone from the internet; whether it's because the author deleted them, or the domain name ran out, or whatever, I can't find these stories again. Hence, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me making reviews; I can't pull up the original URLs, and my memory isn't exactly the best, but I can at least post what I remember.
- The first two - both of which I remember pretty well - were both from Tombfyre, mentioned above; The Awakening and Chronicles of a Dragon, both posted on "cerine.macrophile.net", if I remember right. Both stories were two "origin stories" for Tombfyre's main OC; The Awakening was about a hellmouth opening up in Vancouver, Canada, killing off the majority of humanity while allowing the furries to take over the world, while Chronicles was about a "mysterious plague" that wipes out humanity and turns the furries into their fursonas. A friend of mine showed me both of them back in the day; oh, how I wish he didn't, but I can post about them here, at the least.
- The next, dating all the way back to 1995(!), was called "The End of Humanity", by a furry known as T. Knight. I don't remember the entire plot, but I do remember the general outline; it was a fairly basic furfag story of the "greedy and stupid" humans creating furries, and subsequently getting killed off by a bioweapon while the furries "outbred" the human populace. Not exactly high art, and it's really simplistic, but if anyone wants me to post a full review, I can.
- Following this is the "Our New Lives" series, which was originally posted to SoFurry, but seems to have vanished into the aether. It was a 5/6?-part story, detailing the lives of a pair of tranny furries, living in fear of the "evil and ignorant humans" as they try and uncover a massive conspiracy about... something, the story wasn't exactly well put together. I can't really write a review for this one, as I don't remember most of the plot - the main thing I remember was the two protagonists happily chemical bombing the U.N. building during a peace conference to show the world how peaceful and loving the furries are - though I do remember a pretty solid chunk of details, if anyone is really curious.
- Rounding this out is the "Nexus Conglomerate" series, which was this large multi-author series about a timeline-hopping organization of furries that manipulate history and reality to ensure stability. This being furries, "ensuring stability" means "assassinating and mind-raping people for the furries' pleasure", and where being an internet troll could mark your entire family for either death or unending ruination. Fairly classic furry power fantasy, frankly; I remember there being a pretty good chunk of stories in this one, though the entire series seems to have vanished.
So, that's all I got for right now; technically, there are a few other stories that I was thinking about doing some reviews of, as well; there's the old "Paradise" setting, as well as another "lost" setting that had Humanity First as it's "major villain"/only sane group of survivors. Unfortunately, my time for writing reviews is fairly short; aside from work, I've also been doing a LOT of storyboarding and writing of my own setting, though I'm currently rather... lost... on some major details. It's been rather time consuming; I will say that.
Aside from all that; what do you guys think? Anything you want me to review first? I will be trying to review stuff when I get the chance; I do apologize for the lateness.
William and Rauln made their main story debut in chapter 54. I knew SpacePaladin couldn't keep them out of the story forever, they're too iconic. I doubt they'll be main characters, but I forsee semi-regular appearances for our favourite only-slightly-gays. Half the chapter is banter, but since it's not polluting a side plot I actually want to read, I can actually enjoy it this time. Especially since Rauln seems to be the customer service guy we all wish we were. The rest of the chapter is really entertaining. I love little worldbuilding stuff like the Bombing of Earth re-enactments, flamethrower cooking, and tacky souvenir shops. It's great.
GLIM FUCKING KILLED HIMSELF. HE'S NEVER GONNA GET A NOP2 CHAPTER. BRUH.
Wanted to post about a few recurring themes in furry stories that I've seen; bit autistic, but I figured I'd post:
1. Anyone else note that the furries seem to be really fond of using biological and chemical weapons in their stories? I mean, I know the fandom is crammed full of whiney misanthropes and such, but you'd still think a group that constantly talks about how "peaceful" they are wouldn't be using chemical gas. I dunno, just something funny I've noticed.
2. Another recurring detail that I've noticed is that, if there's ever a non-human race that's against the furries, it's almost always a reptile, like the Lizardmen vs. the Skaven, almost. For instance:
- Hc Svnt Dracones has the Palemen, a race of eldritch dragons made by humanity to murder furries.
- 2047 has the reptilian Kukamia fighting the Lupians.
- UTO's primary conflict is between macro furries vs. macro reptiles, with humanity caught in the middle.
- Even Changed does it to some extent; the "dark latex" wolves and dragons vs the "light latex"... well, everything else.
Anyone have any other recurring motifs and furry cliches they want to post?
2. Another recurring detail that I've noticed is that, if there's ever a non-human race that's against the furries, it's almost always a reptile, like the Lizardmen vs. the Skaven, almost. For instance:
- Hc Svnt Dracones has the Palemen, a race of eldritch dragons made by humanity to murder furries.
- 2047 has the reptilian Kukamia fighting the Lupians.
- UTO's primary conflict is between macro furries vs. macro reptiles, with humanity caught in the middle.
- Even Changed does it to some extent; the "dark latex" wolves and dragons vs the "light latex"... well, everything else.
Anyone have any other recurring motifs and furry cliches they want to post?
Wanted to post about a few recurring themes in furry stories that I've seen; bit autistic, but I figured I'd post:
1. Anyone else note that the furries seem to be really fond of using biological and chemical weapons in their stories? I mean, I know the fandom is crammed full of whiney misanthropes and such, but you'd still think a group that constantly talks about how "peaceful" they are wouldn't be using chemical gas. I dunno, just something funny I've noticed.
2. Another recurring detail that I've noticed is that, if there's ever a non-human race that's against the furries, it's almost always a reptile, like the Lizardmen vs. the Skaven, almost. For instance:
- Hc Svnt Dracones has the Palemen, a race of eldritch dragons made by humanity to murder furries.
- 2047 has the reptilian Kukamia fighting the Lupians.
- UTO's primary conflict is between macro furries vs. macro reptiles, with humanity caught in the middle.
- Even Changed does it to some extent; the "dark latex" wolves and dragons vs the "light latex"... well, everything else.
Anyone have any other recurring motifs and furry cliches they want to post?
Absurd and delusional power fantasies in their stories. Its like they channeled their collective seething of how they'll never be their mary sue sparkledog onto a literary equivalent of a punching bag, be it through shitting(unfortunately sometimes literally) on the humans or voring Earth.
Absurd and delusional power fantasies in their stories. Its like they channeled their collective seething of how they'll never be their mary sue sparkledog onto a literary equivalent of a punching bag, be it through shitting(unfortunately sometimes literally) on the humans or voring Earth.
I feel like it has to do with their perpetual siege mentality and refusal to accept that for the past 30 years, people all over the internet have had genuinely justified and valid reasons for shitting all over their community. Contrary to how they'll insist that they get harassed and mocked for "LITERALLY NO REASON WHATSOEVER".
I know they have a entire furry subset of physiognomy about what a fursona says about the person who uses it and such. I can't find it all spelled out but I did find some fascinating stuff.
https://furscience.com/research-findings/ A entire website where they autistically researched and made it peer review study worthy data on demographics and the fandom, section 3 being about fursonas. Apparenty furries are guilty of speciesm and of thinking their fursona animal are always the best lmao.
Absurd and delusional power fantasies in their stories. Its like they channeled their collective seething of how they'll never be their mary sue sparkledog onto a literary equivalent of a punching bag, be it through shitting(unfortunately sometimes literally) on the humans or voring Earth.
So, so much this. I think it's genuinely impossible for some furries to make a non-Mary Sue character; the number of stories I've seen of some furry god gleefully slaughtering humanity, or destroying entire realities via some fetish, etc., is getting increasingly common in the fandom these days. Hell, it was fairly common back in the 90s.
I feel like it has to do with their perpetual siege mentality and refusal to accept that for the past 30 years, people all over the internet have had genuinely justified and valid reasons for shitting all over their community. Contrary to how they'll insist that they get harassed and mocked for "LITERALLY NO REASON WHATSOEVER".
They used to be; nowadays, while Chakats aren't as common or popular as they used to, there's not nearly as much stigma surrounding them. This is most likely due to the increasing amount of "tolerance" in the fandom; furries are becoming more accepting of the kinds of shit Chakats are known for.
They used to be; nowadays, while Chakats aren't as common or popular as they used to, there's not nearly as much stigma surrounding them. This is most likely due to the increasing amount of "tolerance" in the fandom; furries are becoming more accepting of the kinds of shit Chakats are known for.
Is there any specific reason why Chakats used to be infamous even for furry standards? I thought they were just centaur furry and the worst thing people did with them was the whole mary sue fuckery that is the usual from closed species/adoptable fuckery
Is there any specific reason why Chakats used to be infamous even for furry standards? I thought they were just centaur furry and the worst thing people did with them was the whole mary sue fuckery that is the usual from closed species/adoptable fuckery
Put simply, the fandom wasn't as always as degenerate as it is today; make no mistake, it's always had its freaks, but they used to be a lot more niche. Back in the day, a lot of fandom members at least tried to present a sense of "normalcy" with the fandom; it might seem impossible to believe, but there were furries that still tried to act like normal people. Generally speaking, even fursonas weren't all that crazy, at least compared to today; taurs weren't exactly popular, and as sexualized and misanthropic as the fandom has always been, even some furries had lines they wouldn't cross.
And this is where the Chakats became infamous; to quote 1d6chan:
"Pair a cat-taur hermaphrodite with the sort of godless "we is superior" fluff provided by the likes of Matt Ward for the Ultramarines, and crank the dial to 11, and you get your average Chakat. Engineered to be perfect survivors and colonizers (according to their creator), they were also engineered to be attractive and psionically gifted with empathetic abilities, making them always able to understand everyone all the time. They are the most psychologically stable race in the universe and they can use their psychic abilities to listen to your thoughts from a solar system away.
They are the strongest physically and for the most part perfect in every single way. Hating them at all makes you a horrible person who, in the eyes of the rest of the world in Chakona Space, should be killed or forced to repent, and not wanting to fuck one makes you a horrible deviant who needs to be cured. By turning you into a Chakat yourself, if need be.
Fucking serious Just have them fight the XIII Legion then, not Ward's little band of butt boys the proper Legion.
Even TVTropes, a site known for being skilled at categorizing types of Mary Sues, and one that - whatever their flaws - goes to great pains to be neutral on the subject, openly acknowledges that they are basically an entire race of Mary Sues.
They prefer to be called by "hermaphroditic" pronouns (but are really just made up "non-binary" pronouns meant to appeal to the Chakat's nonexistent LGBTQ+ audience), such as shi and hir, which is by its own self hereticus diabolus; readers are advised to say "fuck that noise" and grab a fucking gun while awaiting the cyclonic torpedoes of the Exterminatus which would be justly declared upon any world where such Slaaneshi-tier abominations have taken foot. If /d/, /tg/, and fchan had a child, the Chakat would be the product of their sweaty lust, and all three would advocate immediate abortion before the abomination had a chance to fester. It is, perhaps, one of the only things in existence that furries and not-furries can agree upon - the Chakats are that fucking bad.
In their native works of fiction, Chakats are festering piles of sexual derangement; they are hermaphrodites, take on multiple mates (of multiple species), and general lend themselves to the most horrifying fetishes the internet has available. They, along with a term that adequately describes most all Chakats started as a fan-fic race in Star Trek, and have since moved on into their own universe which is barely different from it (just enough so it can say it's its own setting).
Rather like the Twilight Saga is for bad literature, Chakats represent everything that is foul and disgusting about furries in general. Debauchery and fetish indulgence is rampant, and Humans who oppose the likes of the Chakats are a persecuted minority, treated as Terrorists. Much like any furry, these aren't damning in-and-of themselves; it's the way they are flaunted and shoved down your throats in the most obnoxious ways possible that disgusts even the most reasonable people. Some players of Dark Heresy and d20 Modern have staged glorious campaigns around these, in which the Chakats are cast down for the glory of the Imperium. To further drive home the prevalence of Chakats, they were the headlining race featured in Hc Svnt Dracones, a hilariously bad posthuman PNP RPG."
TL;DR, Chakats are effectively amalgamations of literally every bad writing cliche imaginable. They're a race designed to be "absolutely perfect at everything" and take every single negative furry stereotype - the sex obsession, the extreme hatred of humanity and common decency, the overpowered abilities and powersets, constant Reddit Atheism, etc. - and crank them all up to outright horrifying degrees. As written, they're a race of pedophiliac and incest-obsessed hermaphrodite cat things that has near-complete domination of multiple realities and are basically completely impossible to write in a story without realistically breaking everything.
- Also, here's the Chakat's Den; in case you're mental enough to actually look at the original stories and setting: https://chakatsden.com/
All this said, there's a few details that most of these sites missed: namely, according to the actual Chakona Space setting:
- Chakats, and furries in general, are heavily implied to be non-sapient. It gets brought up by the Humanity First faction in one CS story that the Chakats are drones, basically following a combination of animal instinct and pre-programmed responses and personalities first made by their original creators, Charles and Katherine Turner, which raises... well, a lot of implications, frankly. Especially with the incest obsession.
- Most of what happened in CS and other furry settings isn't likely what really happened in-universe. As stated outright in at least one or two stories, the Chakats outright lie and make up truths and stories to tell whatever narrative that they want to push. Put simply, it's "written by the winners" on an omniversal scale; it also raises the question of what was actually going down in all of these stories, as well as background details like the often-mentioned-but-rarely-discussed "Gene Wars".
Anyways, going back to the question as to why furries used to hate Chakats; it's basically because they were "too insane" for most furries to be comfortable with. Yes, the fandom was crammed full of misanthropes and sex pests from the beginning, but the Chakats were so far out-there - constant child sex, incest obsession, and Auschwitz-style gas chambers for "evil humans" - that it made them much more niche. Coupled with the design - as stated, taurs are already niche in the fandom - and overpowered abilities such as being able to telepathically spy on people from several galaxies away, and... well, even the furries had some standards back then.
Of course, with deviant behaviors becoming much more open and accepted by the internet these days due to - *ahem* - reasons, the Chakats have started becoming more accepted with furries. Grante, they aren't really used all that much still, but from what I've found, it's more because:
1. They're a pretty old and obscure race at this point.
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2. Mot furries just make up whatever race they want to use at this point; why use a pre-made race when you can just make your own bullshit?
Anyways, that's my answer; granted, I might be missing a few details here and there, so if anyone has anything to add, feel free! Granted, we... probably shouldn't be getting too far off-topic...
I'm confused, is there like a unified furry canon or something? Ok so some guy came up with chakats, who cares, if so many people hated them, then just... Idunno. Don't make your fursona a chakat?
Its not like there's a rulebook or media or a lore bible or something, its just random people making shit up no? Am I missing something?
Every subculture has its own subsets of social cues and rules that can be almost imperceptible in this age or to those not in the know.
Just look at old underground gay culture signaling that has become basically "irrelevant" arcane knowledge in today's freeform hellscapes.
There's only a canon innasmuch as any community of artists and their compatriots love to give credit to their influences, and back in the day when the pond of furfaggotry wasn't a muddied, bloodied ocean yet these influences were much easier to trace back to their roots.
I'm confused, is there like a unified furry canon or something? Ok so some guy came up with chakats, who cares, if so many people hated them, then just... Idunno. Don't make your fursona a chakat?
Its not like there's a rulebook or media or a lore bible or something, its just random people making shit up no? Am I missing something?
Every subculture has its own subsets of social cues and rules that can be almost imperceptible in this age or to those not in the know.
Just look at old underground gay culture signaling that has become basically "irrelevant" arcane knowledge in today's freeform hellscapes.
There's only a canon innasmuch as any community of artists and their compatriots love to give credit to their influences, and back in the day when the pond of furfaggotry wasn't a muddied, bloodied ocean yet these influences were much easier to trace back to their roots.
^Basically, this. The chakats are basically just so stupidly weird, that they gained a lot of notoriety both in and outside the major furry fandom. Not helping the issue is the ridiculously massive amount of content made for the setting; as posted on the Chakat Den, there's a metric fuck-ton of stories made for the setting, to say nothing of the amount of artwork. Bernard Droove (CS's original author) even published a number of books about the setting. Heck, there's still stories being made.
Also, it was pretty common for Chakats to be used in ERP back in the day; the Star Trek fandom got it the worst, from what I've read. That said, there was a few issues with Star Wars and Warhammer as well.
Double-post, but I got into a conversation with someone else, and it's got me curious:
Has anyone ever found any "deconstructions" of typical furry stories? Basically, a furry story that actually has real-world consequences and effects applied to it; i.e., a story that actually goes into realistic detail as to why furries would be around, or a story that examines and criticizes the aftermath of the typical furry fetish story.
There was a dragon transformation story I found years ago that goes into this; it was about the typical furry misanthrope who gets his wish to turn into a dragon despite having a very comfortable middle-class life with a decent family (as is common in furry stories), and immediately goes on a rampage because... well, misanthrope. The subsequent rest of the story was about the consequences; his family has abandoned him, he can't go back to society, and he's a paranoid, miserable, and lonely wreck. Sadly, I can't remember the name of the story, or even if it ever got completed, but it was an interesting look into how the typical transformation story went.
