GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

TheRaptorJesus said:
I don't know why nvidia doesn't admit defeat with this connector.
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Because it's now a PC platform standard and we're stuck with it like the many other questionable standards we've had over the years. Unfortunately if you want to actually dictate standards, you need to actually have marketshare which is something AMD is categorically unable to acquire.
 
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Noctua responding to rattle. Blaming shipping and they can't just send a replacement because it would probably happen again in shipping. What a cop-out.

First of all thank you very much for choosing our NH-D15 G2. We’re sorry to hear that you have encountered an issue with your unit. We’re still in the process of conducting a thorough analysis, but our preliminary suspicion is that you have received a heatsink where the interlocking of the top fin has loosened a bit, probably in shipping. In this case, the airflow of the fans can cause the fin to vibrate, which may result in slight rattling sounds. From our measurement, the acoustic impact of this is very small (<0.5dB(A)). However, we fully understand that this is frustrating and we’re working hard to provide a solution to customers who are affected by this as soon as possible. As a temporary mitigation, we would recommend either putting a piece of tape to the side of the fins (where they interlock) or inserting a small piece of plastic or foam with ~1.8mm thickness between the top fin and second fin. Both measures should prevent the top fin from moving and thereby eliminate the sounds you hear. As we’ve said, we fully understand that this is frustrating for you and we sincerely apologise for the inconvenience, so in case you don’t want to use these temporary mitigations until we can provide a customised solution, we can also offer you to return the cooler to us for a full refund. For both options, please contact us at support@noctua.at. Since we cannot rule out that the issue would occur again in transit, we cannot replace the heatsink at this stage
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"So GN has a contact who is a large intel customer (maybe largest, though I don't know who that is) with over 8 million 13th gen CPUs and they listed these as having problems at the rate of 10-25%: i9-13900T, i9-13900, i9-13900F, i7-13700K, i7-13700KF, i7-13700, i7-13700T, i5-13600K, i5-13600KF, i9-13900K, i9-13900KF"

Looks like i5s and i7s aren't safe. They flew too close to the sun and are now reaping the results of being such desperate whores for years now.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
12th gen Alder Lake appears unaffected. In his latest video, MLiD talks about a source's theory that something is wrong with the how the cache connects to cores. Cache is where most of the changes are between the two microarchitectures: 1.25 MB L2/P-core in Alder Lake increased to 2 MB L2/P-core in Raptor Lake, 2 MB L2 per Gracemont cluster was doubled to 4 MB L2. An additional 6 MB of L3 cache is available to the top 8+16 Raptor Lake.

He also claims that an Intel source told him: "I can confirm that Raptor Lake was created in record time. The people who worked on it used to brag at lunch that they managed to go from Drawings to Product in just 11 months, and it still beat Zen 4...'

Basically, future product lines like Panther Lake were known before Raptor Lake, because Raptor Lake was an Alder Lake refresh with some actual changes created at the "last minute". But they did it too fast and it seems to be fucked up. It remains to be seen if Intel can suppress this disaster without needing to recall the CPUs, and if any of the more lucrative and numerous laptop CPUs are affected. At least, there are Raptor Lake-HX CPUs that shove the desktop chips into laptop BGA packages. For example, the Core i9-13980HX.
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So it's safe to get a 12th gen intel cpu? I'm shopping for a laptop and there's a good deal on one with a 4050 and 12th gen intel cpu.
 
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The Ugly One said:
Yes...and speaking from personal experience, the competing Ryzen laptop CPU has horrible power management.
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But both new Ryzens and Lunar Lake from Intel are right around the corner and both look very promising. If I were looking for a new laptop and didn't have to buy right this moment, I think it would be well-advised to hold on for another month and see what emerges.
 
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Overly Serious said:
But both new Ryzens and Lunar Lake from Intel are right around the corner and both look very promising. If I were looking for a new laptop and didn't have to buy right this moment, I think it would be well-advised to hold on for another month and see what emerges.
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I'm only looking at this laptop because it's cheap for what you get. I don't really want to wait longer for the new mobile cpus and wait further for them to get discounted because screw paying full price.
 
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UMMMM @The Ugly One

Intel Silently Intros 14th Gen Desktop CPUs Without E-Cores: Core i9-14901KE Flagship With 8 P-Cores, 5.8 GHz Clocks, 125W TDP

Is this the Raptor Lake fix? lol


Story says they're for the embedded market so I guess it's not a fix for desktop users. There are also rumors of a Bartlett Lake-S with up to 12 P-cores and no E-cores next year.

Intel to launch Bartlett-S die with 12 P-Cores for LGA1700 platform in January 2025

Overly Serious said:
But both new Ryzens and Lunar Lake from Intel are right around the corner and both look very promising. If I were looking for a new laptop and didn't have to buy right this moment, I think it would be well-advised to hold on for another month and see what emerges.
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I don't think there's much point in waiting on laptops. CPU doesn't matter at this point (the major transition for Intel was 11th to 12th gen). If there's a dGPU then iGPU and power efficiency don't matter that much. Buy the dip.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
I don't think there's much point in waiting on laptops. CPU doesn't matter at this point (the major transition for Intel was 11th to 12th gen). If there's a dGPU then iGPU and power efficiency don't matter that much. Buy the dip.
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I can't speak for you as to the value you place on power efficiency but to me and I think a lot of other people, it will be significant. The next generation is looking to have substantially better battery life because of it. And a not irrelevant boost in performance, too. If someone already has a laptop they are happy with I'm not saying upgrade. But I was responding on the subject of buying a new laptop and if you're going to anyway, I think it's very sensible to wait and see the next generation as it's almost here and looking good.
 
Overly Serious said:
If I were looking for a new laptop and didn't have to buy right this moment, I think it would be well-advised to hold on for another month and see what emerges.
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This has been true every year since laptops have ever existed, though.

The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Is this the Raptor Lake fix? lol
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At this point, they have got to be trying to figure out how to flush this shit out of the channel ASAP.
 
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The Ugly One said:
This has been true every year since laptops have ever existed, though.
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Meh, every year to a degree, but not every month. When somebody says "I want to get a new laptop" the response is going to differ between them saying that when a new generation is 11 months away and when that new generation is a few weeks away.

And I'll only grant it as true every year in a very qualified terms. The jump from 12th gen Intel to 13th gen or 13th gen to 14th gen is looking to be a Hell of a lot less significant than the jump to Lunar Lake or what the new Ryzen processors might be. For the past two years, Intel's generational update can be summed up as "force more power through it". This is not the same. Or doesn't look likely to be.
 
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So it's safe to get a 12th gen intel cpu? I'm shopping for a laptop and there's a good deal on one with a 4050 and 12th gen intel cpu.
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Intel also claims 13th/14th mobile is safe for what it's worth:

Intel states mobile 13/14th Gen Core series are not affected by instability issues
Intel is aware of a small number of instability reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen mobile processors. Based on our in-depth analysis of the reported Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processor instability issues, Intel has determined that mobile products are not exposed to the same issue. The symptoms being reported on 13th/14th Gen mobile systems – including system hangs and crashes – are common symptoms stemming from a broad range of potential software and hardware issues. As always, if users are experiencing issues with their Intel-powered laptops we encourage them to reach out to the system manufacturer for further assistance.
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Well my laptop docking setup is going well.
  • The MSI monitor I bought from Costco is honestly a nice upgrade from my laptop‘s iffy screen. The colors aren’t bright but after sitting down with it for a while it’s not a bad thing, I have a feeling if I went with another monitor with brighter colors I’d be complaining about it being too bright.
  • The Logitech speakers I got off of Best Buy have been wonderful, the LEDs can be annoying but not enough to where I regret buying ‘em. Thankfully you can also turn ’em off. I picked ‘em up when they were $156 (thanks, Best Buy Plus membership) But also kept my eyes on it until they dropped even further and price-matched it. I currently have it being run via USB for LED compatibility.
  • The USB C-to-HDMI cable I picked up was nice in theory but in practice I noticed some minor funkiness with the display slowing down and stuttering in some games. It wasn’t enough to return it but I did end up buying a USB-C-to-Displayport cord during Amazon’s Prime Days sale that, in all honesty, gives me a much nicer picture without the funkiness.
  • The USB hub is doing okay, the power delivery idea didn’t work very well (using it with my laptop resulted in it flipping between PD and battery) but it works well for everything else. The only weird thing I noticed is that it doesn’t play nice with some accessories like USB thumb drives. I may replace it with another powered USB hub with more USB-A ports if my keyboard mat’s wireless charging spot does a better job.
  • The keyboard/mouse/keyboard mat combo I ordered from Ghost Keyboards finally shipped out this week. I know that the site said it would ship out in late June but I wan’t expecting this much of a delay. That said I also wasn’t expecting it to ship out of Houston so part of that more than likely had to do with Hurricane Beryl fucking things up down there.
 
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