Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Listened to the Mauler EFAP talk overs of the show. The show is so schizophrenic. It is clear that the writers wanted to force the "Jedis are the real bad guys" stance, but failed utterly because:
1. Disney would never let them make the Jedis actually evil since it's their cashcow.
2. Lucas stated that the idea of the dark side is not some yin yang bullshit but a corruption of the force.

So instead they make it on how few Jedis supposedly fucked up and that's a mark of shame on the entire order. The speeches of how the order is doomed to fail, besides being cringe, really show how the writers hate Star Wars and just endlessly masturbate on the order being Fascist and them being antifa rebels.

If they hadn't done a Jedi related story but just some survivor of Jedi campaign taking revenge it would at least made some sense morally and parallel real world atrocities like bombing civilians.

 

[Registration]

I still cant understand how they left the furry alive, he saw everything and can talk, how did they let this slip

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Well, you'd have that problem even without the Rule of Two. Like, why would a Sith take on an apprentice, like, ever if they are selfish by definition?

SWTOR deals with this nicely - for two Sith classes one Sith master wants to train herself a new body to jump into and another to use his apprentice to increase his political power and then scapegoat him. There are selfish reasons to have an apprentice.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Another fascinating round of the showrunner telling everybody why she should never be anywhere close to a story: https://web.archive.org/web/2024072...-acolyte-episode-8-explained-leslye-headland/

So, the beginning of the character was Drunken Cat from Come Drink With Me, this master who's essentially masquerading as this drunk.

We knew he was gonna kill Jecki and Yord, we knew he was gonna kill all the Red Shirts,

We wanted this villain in a horror film kind of thing. We decided that Episode 5 was going to be Predator.

Once he takes Osha in, like I told you before, it's that Lo/Jen relationship. He's this formidable fighter and terrifying villain, but it was like, okay, he has this other side.

When you asked about why I relate with the character so much, when he reveals himself and makes his statement of purpose, I had to rewrite that scene many times because the villain outlining his plan is so ridiculous. Really, the ultimate version of that is Heath Ledger's Joker.

“We are fucking going for it. We want to top Duel of the Fates, we want to top the train station in The Matrix. We will settle for nothing less.”

But also, again, the Crimson Peak reference of: this should not feel like a display of power, this should feel creepy.

HEADLAND: Yes. Shinichirō Watanabe. He is the creator of Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo. Those were big references, not visually but tonally.

With Osha and The Stranger’s relationship, Bram Stoker's Dracula by Francis Ford Coppola — which I know is different from the book — that film is one of my favorite films.

Actually, in earlier drafts, The Stranger had a line from that movie, which is, “I have crossed oceans of time to find you.”

HEADLAND: But Jecki and Yord, that was very Shinichirō Watanabe, like that sort of buoyant fun and then meeting a tragic end. [Laughs] The witches were Black Narcissus.

I remember giving that note about Aniseya disappearing — Call of Cthulhu

Every story has it's inspirations, that isn't a problem, but when 80% of your description of your story is "It's like this movie, and then this other movie before we're then like this movie." it's easy to see that your story is a disjointed mess that can't stand on it's own.

Also, this quote is fucking amazing:

"What do you want to say?” I was like, “I wanna say that people don't want me to exist as a gay woman, as a woman in this particular space, working in this wild sandbox.” There was a whole crew of people who believed in me, but deep down, I felt like, “I am unaccepted for who I am because of what I believe in and wanting to wield my power the way I'd like without having to answer to the legion of people that just exist out there.”

When he says, “I want freedom,” that's what I want. I just want freedom. I want to be able to just be out there and be myself and be the type of artist I want to be without having to answer to anybody. That's why I feel so close to him.

This is in reference to the Sith Lord justifying why he's actually being oppressed for being a Sith. The Dark Side cult built around being remorseless, selfish backstabbers who make it their mission to spread death and destruction are now supposed to be a stand in for being queer.

What's so interesting about that moment, where Osha kills Sol, is how much is conveyed even while he's choking on his words. Also, and maybe this was my impression of it, but my first thought was, “He doesn't even give her the agency to make this choice herself because he's accepting his fate.” It just adds so much more insult to injury. You can't even let her get a satisfactory kill because you're like, “It's okay.” It's so good!

I do think when he says, “It’s okay,” I think you're right. He is imposing on her agency at that point.

Men can't even accept death without it being a woman's problem.

Without getting too explicit, James Friend, who was the DP of that episode, when he shot looking into the lightsaber, we've always seen the lightsaber as a–

Phallic symbol.

HEADLAND: Exactly. You said it, not me. To look inside it, to look down it, to see it’s…

That's such great, too, because that is something that was discussed around The Last Jedi, as well. There were a lot of people who talked about the “Moist Cave” and all of this self-discovery for Rey inside. There's a lot of imagery that is just inherently baked into filmmaking for both genders and the way that it can be expressed in different forms of the Yin and the Yang, basically.

For a supposed lesbian, Headland seems to think a lot about girls getting dicked down by older men.

For example, when you apply for college, you don't just walk in there and be like, “Hey, I'm gonna study business, so let's go.” You have to present your strengths, you have to present yourself.

This is coming from the woman who admits how she got handed this show on a silver platter despite admitting she has literally no experience in directing or storytelling what so ever.

HEADLAND: We are. I'm very proud of the character design. It took a long time.

She's saying this like Plagueis didn't already have a design.

 

[The handsome tard]

So the Acolyte's cheap attempt to make fans jizz their pants was giving Darth Plagueis a few seconds long cameo at the end...implying he learned the power to create life from space lesbians.



I fucking hate this franchise

 

[Francis York Morgan]

SWTOR deals with this nicely - for two Sith classes one Sith master wants to train herself a new body to jump into and another to use his apprentice to increase his political power and then scapegoat him. There are selfish reasons to have an apprentice.

Hell, Palpatine also had good selfish reasons to keep apprentices in the movies. With Maul and Dooku, he had a proxy to further stir shit throughout the galaxy and create the right political environment for him to seize control. With Vader, he had an intimidating attack dog to enforce his will.

 

[Sneedmiser]

The Rule of Two is inherently flawed from the get-go, but it also relies on the selfishness of the individual Sith to keep itself going, that's why it was the one Sith ideology that actually worked/lasted. Besides the original empires that were just "might makes right" and collapsed as soon as they met outside pressure. Every member of the Banite lineage (besides Millennial and Vectivus, who were losers) were also dedicated to the Grand Plan.

While I like the Inquisitor story in SWTOR, the game overall really cheapens Essence Transfer and breaks the already iffy lore about Sith spirits.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I still cant understand how they left the furry alive, he saw everything and can talk, how did they let this slip

Only Yord VPN could speak to him, so Basil has no mouth and must scream.

For a supposed lesbian, Headland seems to think a lot about girls getting dicked down by older men.

Well, lesbian sex is boring. It's all foreplay and no actual sex. That's how lesbian bed death happens.

 

[MajinGoku]

Genius take from moviebob about star wars

 

[LovisXVI]

Genius take from moviebob about star wars

More or less the expected take from Robert "Super Mario 3 was my Vietnam" Chipman

 

[Gondolindrim]

I'm actually excited for Star Wars Outlaws. I really want to know just how safe and morally righteous the "criminal" protagonist is while she navigates the "underworld".

 

[Blonrad Blurze]

Robert is to stupid to watch anything more complex than a marvel movie. It's not surprising that he sees a group based off of monks and goes "HURR HURR DEY BE COPS 'N SHiiiiiiiiit"

 

[The handsome tard]

Genius take from moviebob about star wars

This is why you are mocked, Bob

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

SWTOR deals with this nicely - for two Sith classes one Sith master wants to train herself a new body to jump into and another to use his apprentice to increase his political power and then scapegoat him. There are selfish reasons to have an apprentice.

That, and some Sith masters have many apprentices on purpose so they'll be too busy competing with each other to take out the master.

The Revanite Sith Empire had Revan insist on one master per apprentice, but that was because DS Revan was totally devoted to the Darwinian aspect of Sith teaching, and masters take on apprentices knowing that they will be overthrown by their apprentice once they're no longer strong enough. When Malak shops for a new apprentice in the DS playthrough of KOTOR after Bastila betrayed him, he tells three Dark Jedi that he wants a new apprentice, one who will one day take the mantle of Sith Master from him.

The Rule of Two is inherently flawed from the get-go, but it also relies on the selfishness of the individual Sith to keep itself going, that's why it was the one Sith ideology that actually worked/lasted. Besides the original empires that were just "might makes right" and collapsed as soon as they met outside pressure. Every member of the Banite lineage (besides Millennial and Vectivus, who were losers) were also dedicated to the Grand Plan.

While I like the Inquisitor story in SWTOR, the game overall really cheapens Essence Transfer and breaks the already iffy lore about Sith spirits.

The Rule of Two lasted for a thousand years. The Sith Empire lasted longer than that. Also, if the Rule of Two Sith don't have plot armor, a single attack or accident could end with their deaths. Imagine both master and apprentice going on a trip but their ship explodes or has a hyperdrive accident. Or imagine the two of them fight and kill each other. There goes your Sith Order.

Genius take from moviebob about star wars

Cops keep people safe, priests keep people calm. Figures that a leftist like Bob doesn't want people safe or calm. He wants people angry and acting stupid.

 

[Sneedmiser]

The Rule of Two lasted for a thousand years. The Sith Empire lasted longer than that. Also, if the Rule of Two Sith don't have plot armor

The Old Sith Empire lasted for 1900 years before imploding immediately upon contact with the Republic, and the "True" Sith Empire lasted for maybe 50 years upon reemerging, and that's only because Bioware is creatively bankrupt and Disney won't let anyone write anymore Legends novels that would wrap up its storylines.

Unrelated but here's a copepost about how they'll resolve the witches in a godawful canon novel probably by Christie Golden or a comic that nobody will read: Darth Zannah founded the witches so that they would one day create a dyad the Sith could use.

 

[LovisXVI]

Unrelated but here's a copepost about how they'll resolve the witches in a godawful canon novel probably by Christie Golden or a comic that nobody will read: Darth Zannah founded the witches so that they would one day create a dyad the Sith could use.

That would be actually interesting and probably something they would do, but that sounds like something they'd do in old EU, so no way anything like that will occur.

 

[MTN Dew Rat]

I'm actually excited for Star Wars Outlaws. I really want to know just how safe and morally righteous the "criminal" protagonist is while she navigates the "underworld".

Think she'll run into the Martez sisters? That's just what this game (s)needs for maximum quality

 

[Sneedmiser]

That would be actually interesting and probably something they would do, but that sounds like something they'd do in old EU, so no way anything like that will occur.

What if Zannah was a lesbian with Cognus (who is now a black woman and no longer an alien)?

Think she'll run into the Martez sisters? That's just what this game (s)needs for maximum quality

The Martez sisters only exist because George and Leeland Chee mercilessly mocked Filoni for writing Nix Okami. So if anyone like that is in the game it will be him. Hondo Onaka will 100% appear though, unfortunately.

It's also set ~22 years after TCW season 7.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

I haven't watched any Disney Star Wars since Solo (although I do enjoy hearing people make fun of it), but reading this thread kind of makes me want to read some EU comics.
I was thinking of reading the Tales of the Jedi Omnibus (the 90s series) and the Knights of the Old Republic series from 2006. The latter I had read for a couple of issues when it first came out and it was pretty OK. It's 50 issues though, so I thought I should ask if they're worth the time investment.
EDIT: Oh, and the Shadows of the Empire Omnibus.

 

[LovisXVI]

makes me want to read some EU comics.
I was thinking of reading the Tales of the Jedi Omnibus (the 90s series) and the Knights of the Old Republic series from 2006.

ONE OF US, ONE OF US, ONE OF US. Tales of the Jedi is a great place to start, I would also recommend Legacy after the ones you mentioned, which while a little hit or miss, has its moments.