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My Earnest Opinions said:
@errforceonezz the chomo joe vs TRUMP polling isn't irrelevant, it functions as a decent baseline upon which Kamala may either

-overperform (likely only a bit; I have a hard time seeing her do much better than chomo joe - she's tied to 'his' administration, it's been the "Biden-Harris" ticket and the "Biden-Harris" administration for years)

-or even underperform (personally I think Kamala isn't quite as weak a candidate as many on the Right reflexively portray her to be, but she definitely still is a weak candidate)
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I just mean irrelevant in the sense that we were finally starting to see the state polls become frequent (and consistent) enough that there was a pretty clear picture forming. We are back to a more Trump vs generic candidate situation, and we won't even know if Harris is the nominee until next month.
But the polls that have been done recently are all pretty close (and generally a bit worse for Harris).
I think that once she gets out there in front of cameras her support should take a pretty sharp dive, she dropped in the polls any time she got exposure in the primaries. This was also before she decided she was a philosopher and started talking about 'the moment is the present and this is the time and the time is now' or whatever retarded shit shes been saying. They are going to have to keep her from doing that shit on camera going forward.
 
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DicksOutForKiwigglers said:
I think she'll perform more or less the same as Biden. What scares me is the potential to astroturf and retroactively rewrite everything that lead up to this and reframe the numbers.

For example, Trump's got a 1.7% lead over Kamala. He's not polling bad at all. And these are just outdated figures. The fear I have though is that this is the perfect excuse to astroturf Kamala in the polls. Sure, Trump's beating her by 1.7% but that's within the margin of error and is better than Trump's 3% lead over Biden! All the Democrats need to do in November is create enough suspension of disbelief to cheat again and make it look legitimate.
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Cacklin Kamala isn't an unknown. She's tied to Declinin Biden. They have an ok-ish shot to 'retroactively rewrite everything' if the Presidential nominee were Andy Beshear or John Bel Edwards, but "Vice President Kamala Devi Harris" is easily painted as responsible for the dysfunction of the past 3 year and a half years.
 
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Buttgag is likely gonna be the VP pick, or an unknown. Remember, the VP is supposed to be subordinate to the President, and being VP is supposed to be on-the-job training for the Big Job. Buttgag wouldn't have a problem being the bottom lol
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Reminder Bootygig was hanging with Kamala in P-Town Saturday drumming up money from The Gays. They flew in on Air Force 2 and rode in together from the airport. Then back to DC. They had plenty of time to discuss this, and by that time she had to know.

Putting him in the VP slot means they are going all in on identity politics and making a massive bet that years of DEI fortification in society has moved the Overton Window far enough that the swing voters now have the same opinions as the base of Democrat voters, and that Black Woman and Gay Man is enough reason to vote for D.

The absolute lol of all this is if she really picks Literally Who lesbian Tammy Duckworth. That would mean the same calculus applies, but that her campaign is so toxic to future chances even Bootyguy noped the fuck out to take his chances in 2028.

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Personally, I think that "the plan" was for Trump to die last Saturday. Between all the weird stuff involved in the shooting itself, the massive short taken out the day before, etc, I feel any threshold for believing that this was a glowop is satisfied. But, by millimeters, he didn't die. In the wake of that massive fluke, the hydra has been scrambling to pick a new plan and move forward.
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I said a long time ago that if Trump was out (I was more thinking denied the nomination by the GOP due to being in jail during the Convention), then Biden would immediately resign. If the above was true it would track--they tried to get Biden to hold on as long as possible, then the SC ruled in Trump's favor, which caused him to appeal his NY conviction, pushing the sentencing back. Debate then sealed the deal, Trump was getting the nomination. Hail Mary to dome him in PA, that failed. Biden physically can't make it to November, so he dropped out.

We may never know the truth, same as JFK, but it could be in the end the Supreme Court really did decide the election.
 
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If the Biden is dead/a vegetable theory is true (not saying it isn't) how the fuck are they going to get out of it?
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If Biden is on a vent or in critical condition they can justify hiding this for blah blah security and then when he comes out of it they'll trot him around after explaining to him that he definitely decided to drop out before he went into a coma. If he dies in the future before the election they can claim that he was still conscious when he decided to drop out, but chose to do so because he had concerns about whether he'd survive yet didn't want to scare the American public or take attention away from Kamala.

If Biden is dead, I believe they're committing actual treason. They're subverting the government and the leadership of the country by pretending that the president is alive specifically to avoid succession and impersonating the president unlawfully. It is almost certain they wouldn't risk this because someone would leak it and then they're all super screwed. Especially if they try to pull an 'after the DNC' or 'after the election' wait which is the only thing that lying about him dying would make sense.

The former case you can convince staff and others to go along with for the greater good. The latter is a much harder sell.
 
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Question: I've heard a lot of people I know, both on the left and right, saying that Michelle Obama would be a power move VP pick. Can anyone here explain why people would think this?

I don't get it. As far as I'm aware, she doesn't have political aspirations, at least not that I've heard about. Jokes about her being a man aside, she's always seemed like a relatively normal person in the broad scope of things, other than the fact that she was the first lady.

But again, I have heard numerous people, on both sides, sincerely voice the opinion that she has the potential to be a major political player.

Have I just been living under a rock? It doesn't really click with me. Yes, I know(and they know), she doesn't have any actual experience. Does she just have a massive fanbase or something?

Edit: just to be clear, this is in regards to her being Kamala's VP.
 
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Allanon said:
If Biden is on a vent or in critical condition they can justify hiding this for blah blah security and then when he comes out of it they'll trot him around after explaining to him that he definitely decided to drop out before he went into a coma. If he dies in the future before the election they can claim that he was still conscious when he decided to drop out, but chose to do so because he had concerns about whether he'd survive yet didn't want to scare the American public or take attention away from Kamala.

If Biden is dead, I believe they're committing actual treason. They're subverting the government and the leadership of the country by pretending that the president is alive specifically to avoid succession and impersonating the president unlawfully. It is almost certain they wouldn't risk this because someone would leak it and then they're all super screwed. Especially if they try to pull an 'after the DNC' or 'after the election' wait which is the only thing that lying about him dying would make sense.

The former case you can convince staff and others to go along with for the greater good. The latter is a much harder sell.
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Biden's death certificate is going to become the new document that everybody wants to examine - time of death being slightly before he sent out the letter!

Honestly, who knows what is going on behind the scenes right now. Biden dead and fake letter, Biden stroke and fake letter, Biden currently banging on the door of his room demanding to be let out and fake letter, Biden semi-aware, doped to his eyeballs and no clue what he was signing, Biden at deaths door, real letter, but PR disaster to put him in front of cameras... Could be anything. The only thing we can rule out is this is a normal and healthy hand-over because if it were he'd be out at a press conference making this statement publicly and aides would have been prepped. Something bad happened.
 
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RybenZ999 said:
This is unimaginably stupid, even by women's standards.
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It could be a fucked up psyop to convince them to all make themselves infertile. They seem exceptionally vulnerable to that tactic.

"For the future of America, don't give those neo-nazis room in your womb."

Something severely retarded.
 
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Question: I've heard a lot of people I know, both on the left and right, saying that Michelle Obama would be a power move VP pick. Can anyone here explain why people would think this?

I don't get it. As far as I'm aware, she doesn't have political aspirations, at least not that I've heard about. Jokes about her being a man aside, she's always seemed like a relatively normal person in the broad scope of things, other than the fact that she was the first lady.

But again, I have heard numerous people, on both sides, sincerely voice the opinion that she has the potential to be a major political player.

Have I just been living under a rock? It doesn't really click with me. Yes, I know(and they know), she doesn't have any actual experience. Does she just have a massive fanbase or something?
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It's received wisdom that because she is Black, because she is associated with a hugely popular prior president, because.... well, that's more or less it.

This received wisdom is wrong. She would not be popular and she would be absurdly out of her depth. Can you imagine her going into negotiations with other world leaders or with Putin or Xi Jinping? She'd basically be reading her negotiating points off a bullet point list handed to her. The whole idea of Michelle Obama being a good pick is along the same mindset of those people saying Whoopie Goldberg or Oprah Winfrey would be a good pick. It's rooted in a belief that the American public are nothing but TV consumers who will vote for someone because they're on TV and have media recognition.

Which I guess superficially they'd say Trump proves. But Trump has a lot more to him than that.
 
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Overly Serious said:
It's received wisdom that because she is Black, because she is associated with a hugely popular prior president, because.... well, that's more or less it.

This received wisdom is wrong. She would not be popular and she would be absurdly out of her depth. Can you imagine her going into negotiations with other world leaders or with Putin or Xi Jinping? She'd basically be reading her negotiating points off a bullet point list handed to her. The whole idea of Michelle Obama being a good pick is along the same mindset of those people saying Whoopie Goldberg or Oprah Winfrey would be a good pick. It's rooted in a belief that the American public are nothing but TV consumers who will vote for someone because they're on TV and have media recognition.

Which I guess superficially they'd say Trump proves. But Trump has a lot more to him than that.
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Oh, yeah, I know shed be shit at the actual job. I'm more wondering about the supposed popularity she currently has. A bizzar number of people I know(from both sides) think she has the potential to be a power player. I don't think this is true, but my question is about why a seemingly large number of people think that.

It would be one thing if she was actively campaigning or something, but I've never heard a peep from her about actually getting into the game. It seems spontaneous, but makes no sense to me.
 
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BarberFerdinand said:
Oh, yeah, I know shed be shit at the actual job. I'm more wondering about the supposed popularity she currently has. A bizzar number of people I know(from both sides) think she has the potential to be a power player. I don't think this is true, but my question is about why a seemingly large number of people think that.
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I wasn't clear. I didn't raise that she'd be terrible at the job because I thought you didn't know it. You plainly do. I was trying to say that it would be so predictably the case that everyone would know it and this is one of the reasons that the received wisdom she'd be elected is wrong.

IMO, people saying this have just gotten too into the mindset that name recognition is all that matters. Like all those Hollywood remakes and sequels of beloved old movies. Marketing people can see only brand recognition - which she has. She's the Ghostbusters 2016 of politics.

But due respect to her, she seems to have the sense to go nowhere near this.
 
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