Careercow Donald J Trump - 45th/47th President of the USA, convicted felon, Epstein bro, Putin simp, serial liar, sore loser, cheat and the Chris-Chan of Presidents. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL DEBATE THREAD.

[FuhrerMustang]

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Tbh the pro-Biden option technically wouldn't be wrong, per se, it's just that Joe's vice would have the oval office chair just right.

Shame that it came about due to one of the most brazenly corrupt ratfuckings in political history.

First off, fuck the Cuomo brothers. Second, the idea that NY or NJ would turn red for Trump is laughable. People partied in the streets the night Trump lost the election in 2020 and celebrated in the streets in 2024 when he got convicted.

Williamsburg and Newark aren't the whole state(s), you faggot.

 

[JaneThough]

Williamsburg and Newark aren't the whole state(s), you faggot.

Dude. You know what NY and NJ is filled with, regardless of party line? People Trump has fucked over. Regardless of anything you think, even if Manhattan was nuked, NY/NJ is not going to Trump.

On a total side note, I wonder if the Trump assassination attempt colored Biden’s decision to drop out at all? Like if I were him, and I had a choice between dealing with all this shit and retiring into Judge Judy reruns and jigsaw puzzles, I know what I’d choose.

 

[LettuceMan]

Dude. You know what NY and NJ is filled with, regardless of party line? People Trump has fucked over. Regardless of anything you think, even if Manhattan was nuked, NY/NJ is not going to Trump.

On a total side note, I wonder if the Trump assassination attempt colored Biden’s decision to drop out at all? Like if I were him, and I had a choice between dealing with all this shit and retiring into Judge Judy reruns and jigsaw puzzles, I know what I’d choose.

I’m really trying to figure out where in NJ exists this group of people who somehow will flip a safe democrat stronghold.

And NY for Trump? Most of the state lives in and around NYC and that sure as shit isn’t going to Trump.

Ya’ll simps need to do your homework before posting nonsense.

To your other point, i think it’s the calls from both voters & donors calling for him to step aside, and latest polling data sealed the deal.

From what I’ve been reading, Trump was banking on Sleepy Joe staying in the race, helping Joe fumble his sentences during the debates was his one strategy that worked. It’s telling that Trump just stated he won’t debate Harris calling her illegitimate, he sounds scared tbh.

 

[Mayhem]

To be fair, NY and NJ do have significant populations who trend towards Trump - Orthodox Jews, Italian Catholics, older Hispanic and Asian populations that, traditionally, have leaned conservative (and, in turn, leaned into MAGA). However, those populations aren’t large enough to outweigh the younger, more liberal, and more Black populations in NYC and Newark. There was a shift to the right in the suburbs of NYC in 2022, but that was also a year where there was redistricting and new rules that some argue overrepresented the Republican population of those areas. It’s hard to say: a lot of older people either died or moved as a result of covid.

I doubt the assassination attempt had anything to do with Biden’s decision. It was a mix of donors pulling their money and hard data from his campaign that showed he was down in a lot of key demographics over concerns about his health.

 

[LettuceMan]

To be fair, NY and NJ do have significant populations who trend towards Trump - Orthodox Jews, Italian Catholics, older Hispanic and Asian populations that, traditionally, have leaned conservative (and, in turn, leaned into MAGA). However, those populations aren’t large enough to outweigh the younger, more liberal, and more Black populations in NYC and Newark. There was a shift to the right in the suburbs of NYC in 2022, but that was also a year where there was redistricting and new rules that some argue overrepresented the Republican population of those areas. It’s hard to say: a lot of older people either died or moved as a result of covid.

I doubt the assassination attempt had anything to do with Biden’s decision. It was a mix of donors pulling their money and hard data from his campaign that showed he was down in a lot of key demographics over concerns about his health.

I agree, though those populations have more of an effect on local government (municipal, state house) races than presidential. I don’t see Lakewood NJ (HIGH orthodox population) voting for a guy with fans who dabble in Nazism for funsies.

Sidetrack for a min, If it was’t for Andy Kim running for Senate i’d hand that off to the Repubs simply because of what a piece of shit Bob Menendez was. But Andy seems to have been well liked as a house rep so who knows? I’m not an expert.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I agree, though those populations have more of an effect on local government (municipal, state house) races than presidential. I don’t see Lakewood NJ (HIGH orthodox population) voting for a guy with fans who dabble in Nazism for funsies.

Lakewood is more Hasidic, but I get your point.

Dude. You know what NY and NJ is filled with, regardless of party line? People Trump has fucked over. Regardless of anything you think, even if Manhattan was nuked, NY/NJ is not going to Trump.

On a total side note, I wonder if the Trump assassination attempt colored Biden’s decision to drop out at all? Like if I were him, and I had a choice between dealing with all this shit and retiring into Judge Judy reruns and jigsaw puzzles, I know what I’d choose.

Unironically the most sane and logical take on Biden dropping out. Kudos, man.

Also, I do think that NYC will have an ac to grind with Trump, probably before the politics started. Gen X may not be the one you wanna fuck with.

Tell us something we don’t know.

 

[TrainWreckSpotter]

From what I’ve been reading, Trump was banking on Sleepy Joe staying in the race, helping Joe fumble his sentences during the debates was his one strategy that worked. It’s telling that Trump just stated he won’t debate Harris calling her illegitimate, he sounds scared tbh.

I remember from the 2016 race that Kamala debates really well (even if you disagree with her viewpoint). I heard one pundit today say that both sides would be much better off to focus ALL of their energies on campaigning in the key states instead of debating at all.

And if Trump starts crowing about how "It's about time Sleepy Joe stepped aside, he knew he couldn't beat me!" remember that it's coming from a gigantic crybaby who wouldn't accept that he lost an election fair and square*, wasted taxpayer money demanding recounts, and incited an insurrection. He then refused to go to Biden's inauguration, or even meet the Bidens for the symbolic transition of power, and ordered a 21-gun salute for his departure on Air Force One while Biden accepted a scaled back inauguration because of COVID.

* Hillary and Gore had much more grounds to contest elections. Gore asked for a recount in Florida, but they refused and he accepted it. Hillary, even though she won the popular vote, didn't even bother.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Lakewood is more Hasidic, but I get your point.

There's substantial Orthodox population as well, I just get the feeling there's a bit of tension between the two every time I go there. Work-related stuff, nothing interesting.

TBH I'm looking for the Jersey Devil more often than Jews when I'm there though.

 

[Random Internet Person]

There's substantial Orthodox population as well, I just get the feeling there's a bit of tension between the two every time I go there. Work-related stuff, nothing interesting.

TBH I'm looking for the Jersey Devil more often than Jews when I'm there though.

Yeah I’ve heard that too. And from what I’ve heard about Judaism, Hasidic is basically “super Orthodox”.

 

[LettuceMan]

There's substantial Orthodox population as well, I just get the feeling there's a bit of tension between the two every time I go there. Work-related stuff, nothing interesting.

TBH I'm looking for the Jersey Devil more often than Jews when I'm there though.

I hope your job reimburses you for tire damage. Route 9 is a mess.

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Harris should be a slam dunk for Trump.

She's the "Border Czar", and objectively she didn't do anything on the border which is something they've already been hammering with Biden. Throw into that her record of locking up every black man in california for years over them having weed residue in a baggie and generally being the most awkward politician who's tried to pass themselves off as personable.

But no. In true lolcow fashion, he's making it about himself instead.

 

[Product Placement]

Harris should be a slam dunk for Trump.

She's the "Border Czar", and objectively she didn't do anything on the border which is something they've already been hammering with Biden. Throw into that her record of locking up every black man in california for years over them having weed residue in a baggie and generally being the most awkward politician who's tried to pass themselves off as personable.

But no. In true lolcow fashion, he's making it about himself instead.

The issue with those attack lines plays up to Trump's core base, but the only way he can win is to put off undecided voters who were never going to vote for him but may vote for Kamala. I do see him using it because he loves playing up to his base,. I just don't see it harming her much.

Not even sure if the people running against her to get the nomination will use that line of attack against her this time, as they won't want their words to be used against her if she does get the norm. Especially when they will for sure run ads with J. D. Vance calling Trump Hitler.

The Biden attacks worked so well because they were issues not only undecided voters had for years, but even people who vote for him anyway had. The best course of an attack for Trump right now would be hamming on her for covering up for Biden and even lying to the public.

Think if it is Trump vs Kamala it will be very close, even if she has a good VP pick. But does highlight how bad pick J. D. Vance, against Biden who as more likely to lose it makes sense, so one who will be more "loyal" than Mike Pence was. But he is not some one who gain him any more votes and against a stronger Dem ticket, really is a shit choice.

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Think if it is Trump vs Kamala it will be very close, even if she has a good VP pick. But does highlight how bad pick J. D. Vance, against Biden who as more likely to lose it makes sense, so one who will be more "loyal" than Mike Pence was. But he is not some one who gain him any more votes and against a stronger Dem ticket, really is a shit choice.

Vance is about legacy. Not the immediate need. He's young, equally obsessed with Nationalism and Evangelical political issues, and would, if successful at becoming / performing as the VP to the standards of Trump/MAGA, be a shoe-in for the GOP nom in 2028 to continue the current populist platform.

Because after Trump, the GOP has nothing else going for them. Unlike the Dems, at least they're playing the long game.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I hope your job reimburses you for tire damage. Route 9 is a mess.

Thankfully it's always a rental but I still have to fly into Newark.

 

[Product Placement]

Vance is about legacy. Not the immediate need. He's young, equally obsessed with Nationalism and Evangelical political issues, and would, if successful at becoming / performing as the VP to the standards of Trump/MAGA, be a shoe-in for the GOP nom in 2028 to continue the current populist platform.

Because after Trump, the GOP has nothing else going for them. Unlike the Dems, at least they're playing the long game.

I understand that, and would have been a smart move against Biden. But against a stronger dem ticket, it doesn't help them at all.

There is a good chance Trump loses again, will be close. So if loses twice in a row, I doubt the republicans will run a MAGA candidate again. Because even if they have a big core, it turns off the undecided voters, who have a choice been not voting or voting for the Dems when they run MAGA people.

 

[blahblahblah678]

The reason Kamala is the, "Border Czar" is because Congress has abdicated any responsibility for passing laws in this country. Mike Johnson retardedly refused to pass border reforms the GOP claimed they've wanted for years that the Dems were handing to him on a silver platter, all because he cowered like a bitch to Trump.

 

[Mayhem]

There is a good chance Trump loses again, will be close. So if loses twice in a row, I doubt the republicans will run a MAGA candidate again. Because even if they have a big core, it turns off the undecided voters, who have a choice been not voting or voting for the Dems when they run MAGA people.

If/when Trump loses again, MAGA is largely over. There may be a few death throes, but its primary characteristic is that it‘s a cult. Cults, in general, do not adapt well to new leadership. Trump has no real appointed heir: Don Jr. does not hold political office (and is also a cokehead), Ivanka and Jared have cut ties, and Eric is…Eric. J.D. Vance doesn’t have the charisma and the true believer vibes to take it over. The only true believers are folks in the media and the Matt Gaetz/MTG cohort. Who will inherit the movement?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Trump is mad that Biden is not running

 

[Random Internet Person]

Vance is about legacy. Not the immediate need. He's young, equally obsessed with Nationalism and Evangelical political issues, and would, if successful at becoming / performing as the VP to the standards of Trump/MAGA, be a shoe-in for the GOP nom in 2028 to continue the current populist platform.

Because after Trump, the GOP has nothing else going for them. Unlike the Dems, at least they're playing the long game.

Funny. A lot of that stuff could have also applied to Ron DeSantis.

 

[mofu mofo]

Funny. A lot of that stuff could have also applied to Ron DeSantis.

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There's a theory that @EndWokeness is Jack Pozzedbitch Posobiec.

The only true believers are folks in the media and the Matt Gaetz/MTG cohort.

Imagine MTG and Gaetz going head to head in the primary