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[Sekirodiealot]

Saw this on reuter

 

[LurkTrawl]

even if they are claiming they are "taking the high road against the Orange Man, who is not worth debating."

Hold the fuck on, are we all supposed to collectively forget the media crowing about how much of a pussy Vance is for 'not wanting to debate' Kamala that went on in the past week?

Her wanting to debate Vance but not willing to debate Trump looks worse than not having offered to debate either in the first fucking place!

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Utter hogwash. She's consistently been behind Biden in their fake-ass polls, and I'm supposed to believe this bullshit with Biden has made people like her more?

 

[Wargarbl]

Way too much doomposting in this thread. Welcome to the honeymoon phase, where Kamala gets a PR blitz from the DNC and their lapdogs. Give it time.

One big mistake the GOP needs to cut the fuck out right now is harping on her "DEI hire" status. It's true, but it's normie poison and makes her look vaguely sympathetic.

You need normies to pay attention to what a detestable person she is, how she stands for nothing other than whatever is convenient in the moment, how bad her existing record is as Cali AG and VP, how she has absolutely no charisma or poise, how unprepared and unserious she is when dealing with the actual issues.

Showing people why she's incompetent is infinitely more effective than boomering about "DEI". Show her trying to explain Ukraine-Russia and failing to rise above a 2nd grade response that would have gotten a C-. Highlight her hyena-cackling when asked any question she doesn't want to answer in a press gaggle. Push for her to do debates or have press conferences. After all, she's "young and sharp", there's no excuse for not doing a ton of unscripted appearances. Push hard for her to be in front of cameras without a script. Especially since she's already floating the "Trump's age" issue.

She's an infinitely beatable candidate, but going "HURR DURRR DEI HIRE" isn't going to win the independent vote.

 

[Coptakhenaten]

Way too much doomposting in this thread. Welcome to the honeymoon phase, where Kamala gets a PR blitz from the DNC and their lapdogs. Give it time.

One big mistake the GOP needs to cut the fuck out right now is harping on her "DEI hire" status. It's true, but it's normie poison and makes her look vaguely sympathetic.

You need normies to pay attention to what a detestable person she is, how she stands for nothing other than whatever is convenient in the moment, how bad her existing record is as Cali AG and VP, how she has absolutely no charisma or poise, how unprepared and unserious she is when dealing with the actual issues.

Showing people why she's incompetent is infinitely more effective than boomering about "DEI". Show her trying to explain Ukraine-Russia and failing to rise above a 2nd grade response that would have gotten a C-. Highlight her hyena-cackling when asked any question she doesn't want to answer in a press gaggle. Push for her to do debates or have press conferences. After all, she's "young and sharp", there's no excuse for not doing a ton of unscripted appearances. Push hard for her to be in front of cameras without a script. Especially since she's already floating the "Trump age" issue.

She's an infinitely beatable candidate, but going "HURR DURRR DEI HIRE" isn't going to win the independent vote.

The Trump campaign already seems to be going after her far left progressive statements, maybe a lot of the doomposting is the Trump campaign hasn't been as fast and wide scale enough compared to the media blitz propagandizing her so far.

 

[Sithis]

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As has already been posted ITT, that poll has a significant (D) lean and they could still only get her ahead by 2% lol also as others have mentioned this is too early to really get a feel for how bad voters hate her.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

On a side note, how long until Kamala has the clip of Tulsi calling out all of the reasons Kamala is a corrupt piece of shit purged from the Internet? Or any video calling out her reign of terror as one of the most corrupt DAs in America?

Never. Trump already has them all and will undoubtedly be blasting them everywhere.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

This was pretty funny to wake up to:

 

[Collections Agent]

You need normies to pay attention to what a detestable person she is, how she stands for nothing other than whatever is convenient in the moment, how bad her existing record is as Cali AG and VP, how she has absolutely no charisma or poise, how unprepared and unserious she is when dealing with the actual issues.

Yeah saying "she doesn't deserve to be where she is" isn't as impactful as "she's let millions of illegals through the border and before being VP kept black men in jail past their sentences for free labor"

 

[The Ugly One]

The only one I've seen people genuinely say is hot repeatedly is AOC, and it makes me question what people define a "hot" politician as if an annoyingly voiced horse with a room temp IQ can be considered hot.

big boobs and not fat

 

[Gehenna]

That seems odd, I might not be seeing the bigger picture, but she's already got support from Schumer and Pelosi and some of the Democrat governors like Newsome and Shapiro; I think even Obama and Clinton have given her the approval. Seems like she's a lock unless someone real big wants to kick up a stink at the convention.

You misunderstand. The view mentioned is that of the voters, how the people being polled see it. There is currently widespread skepticism that Harris will actually be the candidate after the DNC, speaking of which:

The Trump campaign already seems to be going after her far left progressive statements, maybe a lot of the doomposting is the Trump campaign hasn't been as fast and wide scale enough compared to the media blitz propagandizing her so far.

The Trump campaign is deliberately waiting. Put simply, even if the people up top are slowly getting behind Harris it doesn't rule out a bait & switch at the DNC. And mid August is also when the Trump Campaign was seeking to do its media blitz. As well, a lot of voters are also thinking there might be a switch which is buoying Harris' numbers. And in addition to all that, it will take a couple weeks for the honeymoon period for Harris to end and for ads to really hit hard.

So, in summation, basically all the timing for when to best start just hammering the Democrats is... right after their convention. And even more so if the convention fails to provide a lot of traction to their chosen candidate.

 

[autistic dog]

CDAN says Kumala is a brat after all

 

[BobbyBriggs69420]

big boobs and not fat

Not old most importantly. Fat aoc would still be quite a bit better than other .gov fronthole, dat bar be real low.

(And now I'm writing stable diff prompts all morning)

 

[LurkTrawl]

One big mistake the GOP needs to cut the fuck out right now is harping on her "DEI hire" status. It's true, but it's normie poison and makes her look vaguely sympathetic.

Bruh just play the clip of Tulsi giving her a concrete enema in front of a live studio audience 24/7 it's not fucking hard.

Why are people freaking out about this like it fucking matters? Oh, right:

I noticed yet again that there's this odd problem that keeps showing up in our society, and it's that even people who should be immune to the bullshit spewed out of the establishment mass media still tend to have some level of buy-in that they can't get rid of

Through whatever psychological fuckery it is that the presence of these 'authoritative' voices manage to pull, your average westerner is conditioned to give veracity to these charlatans even if you're aware of how full of shit they are.

everyone exposed to it ends up influenced by it, including the people who built the fucking thing.

My theory that there is no such thing as passive resistance to corporate media narratives, and that it must be actively resisted mentally, gets stronger every time some stupid shit like this happens.

Spoiler alert: they're going to cheat. They were always going to cheat, no matter how unbelievable the outcome would be. Her popularity is not suddenly skyrocketing, they're just laying out the (paper)groundwork to justify the outcome of the cheating.

 

[Jade Philosophies]

Kamala Harris polled lower than Pete Bootyjuice. Let that sink in. A "woman of color" polled lower than the gay white man. That's how much she's universally disliked. Oh, this was a bad idea. LOL.

Call him Buttgeiger. It means ass fiddler in German.

 

[ibeatmywife]

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They also had trump losing to Hillary in every poll. The fact is alot of people are not going to vote for a woman president, even other women. They might consider it if it wasn't a power hungry lunatic like Hillary or kamala but since they are the only options I think it's really likely they try and skewer public opinion by giving the impression she is winning and unless people become complacent between now and November we will likely see that huge red wave the left was so scared of in 2020 but never materialized.

 

[Gehenna]

You misunderstand. The view mentioned is that of the voters, how the people being polled see it. There is currently widespread skepticism that Harris will actually be the candidate after the DNC, speaking of which:


The Trump campaign is deliberately waiting. Put simply, even if the people up top are slowly getting behind Harris it doesn't rule out a bait & switch at the DNC. And mid August is also when the Trump Campaign was seeking to do its media blitz. As well, a lot of voters are also thinking there might be a switch which is buoying Harris' numbers. And in addition to all that, it will take a couple weeks for the honeymoon period for Harris to end and for ads to really hit hard.

So, in summation, basically all the timing for when to best start just hammering the Democrats is... right after their convention. And even more so if the convention fails to provide a lot of traction to their chosen candidate.

In a bit of an expansion on this: What the Democrats have really done with this swap out is buy themselves time. Its 3 weeks of time they can regroup, plan, and figure out what the hell they want to do. Not something ideal for the enemy to have, but the Trump campaign is also now having some time to plan out its own things going forward. We have effectively entered a 3-4 week armistice.

 

[jje100010001]

The Trump campaign already seems to be going after her far left progressive statements, maybe a lot of the doomposting is the Trump campaign hasn't been as fast and wide scale enough compared to the media blitz propagandizing her so far.

I think this is the key, the mistake the Trump campaign should avoid is to attack her from the Copmala angle because Americans by large are actually sick of the rising crime rate nowadays.

Kamala should = Crime, Poor Judgement & Illegal murders.

I also think the ‘heels up’ Kamala angle is probably not as generally effective as it sounds outside of religious demographics because of the ultra-liberal attitude towards sexual liberation most of America has (remember Hawk Twa girl a few weeks ago?) + Trump himself is already hardly a pure figure to the left.

But perhaps ultra-targeted material could make Black church ladies hesitate, and GOTV for evangelicals.

I think they need to blunt her polling numbers enough that the Kamalamania fake polls stick out, and then work on choking/outracing the Ballot harvesting operations.

 

[AstaSilva]

So strange how this NPC drone of the DNC is able to show his face now.

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How is it breaking news to present a literal fucking SELLOUT as if he's a political commentator.
CNN is banking on this election. The DNC in power is the only hope of salvaging their legitimacy.

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

I'm amazed any Kiwis are paying attention to polls so much

Like...I wasn't here in 2016 but I thought everyone finally agreed that polls were bullshit after how everything shook out.

It doesn't mean that Trump isn't popular, but like...Hillary was *clearly* in the lead in polls leading up to 2016.

Pay attention to what the PEOPLE are saying, not what the media is telling you.

I was out to lunch yesterday with a group of co-workers and talking politics with two of them in paricular. They're both immigrants from Bangladesh. One is a naturalized citizen while the other has his green card.

Spoiler: Bangladesh politics

Apparently Bangladesh is in full on armed revolution mode right now and the people and political parties have formed armed militias.

I pulled up 538 and RCP averages and was making the case that she would do better than Joe vs Trump because she had better favorability and polling numbers than Biden. One of them asked about what undecided voters meant and I told him it they stay home or split evenly. He said he didn't think America was ready for a woman president, and kept insinuating the independent voters would break disproportionately towards Trump. "I think there are a lot of people who support Trump, but are not doing so openly"

...I think he was trying to tell me the secret Trump voters from 2016 have made a return.

 

[Jade Philosophies]

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As has already been posted ITT, that poll has a significant (D) lean and they could still only get her ahead by 2% lol also as others have mentioned this is too early to really get a feel for how bad voters hate her.

What's the point of doing polls for things like this unless they get equal amounts of Republicans, Democrats and Independents? (And a lot more people really.) Unless they're trying to use polls to sway public opinion or something...