Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Akerman]

I have heard of these things like that happening on TG and they aren't well sourced so I haven't posted them. After the war is over it's going to all come out, I'm sure.

Yeah I wouldn't say anything is fully confirmed if it isn't accompanied with a Telegram video link showing it which often is the case or if it isn't related to an open criminal case as in the case of the grenades with the "hooliganism", but I have seen enough to believe that most of these things are actually happening. The videos but also how many Ukrainians now have elaborate networks to warn about where the meatwagons are going to be and the like. It's nuts.

The penal colony is confirmed but only through Ukrainian Radio FreeEurope (CIA) which republished the government opinion that the torture was isolated to said penal colony, which is ridiculous. A lot of the Ukrainians in the comments don't seem to be buying it and are not happy. It also looks bad to send dodgers to a horrific penal colony any way you slice it, probably why the west didn't even try to spin that story.

 

[Abraham Lincoln]

 

[Charred Dinosaur]

As it turns out the Russophobic politician that was shot a few days ago was murdered by a neo nazi for "dividing Ukraine on linguistic lines/dividing the white race", something he did as he presumably supports a war against white Russians on behalf of globohomo.

A bodycam of the shooting was released by the group he was apart of. While he did succeed in getting a headshot he was a utter failure at correctly using a bodycam, as such you can't really see anything gruesome but you can hear her make a brief scream at the end.

Edit: According to the post I found the video on this was the killers manifesto, however I don't speak Russian so I cannot confirm that. Either way I should include it.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

As it turns out the Russophobic politician that was shot a few days ago was murdered by a neo nazi for "dividing Ukraine on linguistic lines/dividing the white race", something he did as he presumably supports a war against white Russians on behalf of globohomo.

A bodycam of the shooting was released by the group he was apart of. While he did succeed in getting a headshot he was a utter failure at correctly using a bodycam, as such you can't really see anything gruesome but you can hear her make a brief scream at the end.
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Edit: According to the post I found the video on this was the killers manifesto, however I don't speak Russian so I cannot confirm that. Either way I should include it.
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Translation:
Now is not the time of political speeches. All I can say is this - we will punish everyone, who sold our country after maidan.
From this day onwards starts white revolution, I take responsibility for liquidation of a pest and race traitor Irina Farion. We will get to every enemy of Ukrainians and white race! Glory to victory!

 

[Zashaiba]

As it turns out the Russophobic politician that was shot a few days ago was murdered by a neo nazi for "dividing Ukraine on linguistic lines/dividing the white race", something he did as he presumably supports a war against white Russians on behalf of globohomo.

A bodycam of the shooting was released by the group he was apart of. While he did succeed in getting a headshot he was a utter failure at correctly using a bodycam, as such you can't really see anything gruesome but you can hear her make a brief scream at the end.
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Edit: According to the post I found the video on this was the killers manifesto, however I don't speak Russian so I cannot confirm that. Either way I should include it.
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Москаля-ACKKK. Absolutely deserved it. Земля стекловатой

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

This puts Zelensky into a bit of a pickle.

It would appear that a group of people has formed within the Ukrainian army who believe that they can do vigilante justice. And not even against Russians, but quite the opposite, over an ardent supporter of Ukraine, who literally devoted her life to fostering russophobia but had a conflict with the others of her own kind.

If the execution goes unpunished, it will embolden the vigilantes and make the slope very slippery, they will be tempted to continue the purges. If he cracks down on it, he loses the support of the very core of Ukrainian nationalists, not to mention the risk of getting Abed, Trumped and Ficoed.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

This puts Zelensky into a bit of a pickle.

It would appear that a group of people has formed within the Ukrainian army who believe that they can do vigilante justice. And not even against Russians, but quite the opposite, over an ardent supporter of Ukraine, who literally devoted her life to fostering russophobia but had a conflict with the others of her own kind.

If the execution goes unpunished, it will embolden the vigilantes and make the slope very slippery, they will be tempted to continue the purges. If he cracks down on it, he loses the support of the very core of Ukrainian nationalists, not to mention the risk of getting Abed, Trumped and Ficoed.

I guess he didn't do a good enough job of selling out Azov to the Russian meatgrinder. He tried his best though...destroying a prison, and shooting down a plane.

 

[Fapcop]

I dunno man…

Smells like gayops.

Releasing it this long after? And with such a weird reasoning?

The best explanation I can think of, is that someone with Russian sympathies did it, but put on the Ukrainian flag to either spread chaos or hoping the authorities will give less of a damn.

 

[Gondolindrim]

ITS SO OVER, BROS! ITS ALL GONE! WE LOST! Ukrainian commander in chief says he figured out how to defeat Russia.
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AND EVEN WORSE! SEVASTAPOL IS ALREADY TAKEN! TOTAL UKRAINIAN VICTORY (please do not open deepstatemap.ua because that is clearly just Russian propaganda)
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Anyway, other fun bits and pieces:
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/24/i-know-we-will-win-and-how-ukraines-top-general-on-turning-the-tables-against-russia

https://archive.is/6w2uf

Oh he figured it out? He has the method? He's got the juice? Maybe he should write a book on the matter, I'm so curious to know how they're gonna pull it off.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This puts Zelensky into a bit of a pickle.

It would appear that a group of people has formed within the Ukrainian army who believe that they can do vigilante justice. And not even against Russians, but quite the opposite, over an ardent supporter of Ukraine, who literally devoted her life to fostering russophobia but had a conflict with the others of her own kind.

If the execution goes unpunished, it will embolden the vigilantes and make the slope very slippery, they will be tempted to continue the purges. If he cracks down on it, he loses the support of the very core of Ukrainian nationalists, not to mention the risk of getting Abed, Trumped and Ficoed.

Who didn't see this coming raise your hand.

Oh well. Anyway...

 

[Lurker Child]

As it turns out the Russophobic politician that was shot a few days ago was murdered by a neo nazi for "dividing Ukraine on linguistic lines/dividing the white race", something he did as he presumably supports a war against white Russians on behalf of globohomo.

A bodycam of the shooting was released by the group he was apart of. While he did succeed in getting a headshot he was a utter failure at correctly using a bodycam, as such you can't really see anything gruesome but you can hear her make a brief scream at the end.
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Edit: According to the post I found the video on this was the killers manifesto, however I don't speak Russian so I cannot confirm that. Either way I should include it.
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Honorable service. Woman deserved worse for dressing up her negro pet in Ukrainian garb and teaching it the language.

Also, speaking of Ukrainian: In my exposure to it, I've yet to be convinced that it isn't practically a regional slang of Russian. Is this true? Stuff like "Kyiv" instead of "Kiev" and "Pryvit" instead of "Privet" strike me as idiosyncrasies from local speech rather than significant linguistic distinctions.

 

[BradCarter]

Honorable service. Woman deserved worse for dressing up her negro pet in Ukrainian garb and teaching it the language.

Also, speaking of Ukrainian: In my exposure to it, I've yet to be convinced that it isn't practically a regional slang of Russian. Is this true? Stuff like "Kyiv" instead of "Kiev" and "Pryvit" instead of "Privet" strike me as idiosyncrasies from local speech rather than significant linguistic distinctions.

From my understanding is there are a few words different. Or they just straight up steal English words to use. It definitely isn't it's own standalone language. Part of the reason most Ukrainians can speak Russian. A lot of the differences are modern and artificial, a deliberate effort to seperate themselves from Russian culture.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

From my understanding is there are a few words different. Or they just straight up steal English words to use. It definitely isn't it's own standalone language. Part of the reason most Ukrainians can speak Russian. A lot of the differences are modern and artificial, a deliberate effort to seperate themselves from Russian culture.

Sounds like it has more in common with the modern fragmentation of English - An Australian can speak to someone from Chicago but someones gonna call someone a cunt and the meaning is not going to be the same, and the other is going to be taking the term "Pizza Pie" far more literally. Same for knowing how to refer to a bag of doritos, just little things that a speaker will stumble on until they know, but can easily adapt to once they've heard it.

 

[Zashaiba]

Honorable service. Woman deserved worse for dressing up her negro pet in Ukrainian garb and teaching it the language.

Also, speaking of Ukrainian: In my exposure to it, I've yet to be convinced that it isn't practically a regional slang of Russian. Is this true? Stuff like "Kyiv" instead of "Kiev" and "Pryvit" instead of "Privet" strike me as idiosyncrasies from local speech rather than significant linguistic distinctions.

I think the two languages have some differences, but as a Russian speaker who has binge watched Ukrainian bloggers for three years it’s like 40% mutually intelligible. There’s some strikingly polish words and I’ve noticed mindfuckery from a grammar perspective (I am not a linguist), some of the most glaring being: Ukrainian has one more grammatical case. There is a grammatical feature known as страдательное причастие настоящего времени, which is really cool and based, that exists in Russian and not in Ukrainian. Russian words often have prefixes attached to a root that change the meanings in a more or less predictable way; somehow Ukrainians have the same prefixes (different spelling/minor sound differences due to autistic slurring) but use them in a totally different way causing me regular mindfucks. The roots remain more or less the same, nicely Slavic, so we can always guess what it means. Somehow the word for bear in Ukrainian is as in Russian but with the syllables reversed . The things you’ve mentioned dont really stand in the way of us understanding the language, since that’s just a spelling thing. There’s more but you get the gist.

Overall does that make the language artificial? Anatolii Vasserman, a Soviet gigaboomer and member of the Duma, sure thinks so. I think it’s all politics and hard for someone to draw the line at where dialects end and languages begin. Many euro languages have strong mutual intelligibility but are classified as distinct due to what I suspect is national identity politics. I’m a chink and in my family and more broadly in my country four variants of Chinese are spoken with almost 0 mutual intelligibility between them, yet all fall under the Chinese language, and are labelled as dialects. I suspect the same situation applies to the regional varieties of Arabic. Ultimately political boundaries and national identity, and not quantifiable linguistic differences, dictate whether a language is a “language” or a “variant”. In my wishful thinking when Rus is reunited Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian and Rusyn will be recognised as variants of one language. Were it to be the case that language is used for driving wedges between peoples then the minorities of Russia have a better claim than any Ukrainian. I absolutely do not understand Tatar, Chechen, Buryat, or any of the languages of the Siberian natives. I don’t even know what the languages are called.

 

[Midwit]

Same for knowing how to refer to a bag of doritos

It's just a bag of doritos, simple as.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

Russian and Ukrainian are two different languages and they are not really mutually intelligible. There are some shared roots and stuff but you're not gonna be conversational, or even barely tourist-capable, in one language just by knowing the other. I guess if you learned Russian as a second language it might seem similar to Ukrainian, in the same way that one ching chong language sounds kinda like another to the average gwailo, but this is just an outsider's understanding of the linguistics involved.

My understanding is that Ukrainian is more a bastard of balkan-speak and polish than it is of Russian. Ukes know Russian because that's what was spoken in the UKSSR, and is still spoken in most of the country, not because of any surface similarities.

 

[Ignatius von Cistern]

Also, speaking of Ukrainian: In my exposure to it, I've yet to be convinced that it isn't practically a regional slang of Russian. Is this true? Stuff like "Kyiv" instead of "Kiev" and "Pryvit" instead of "Privet" strike me as idiosyncrasies from local speech rather than significant linguistic distinctions.

Ukrainian sonds like a regional dialect of russian same as any village slang from regional russia woud sound. there is a lot of regional variation.

here's the thing. starting in the 19th century, in the austro-hungarian empire there has been an academic effort to develop a literary ukrainian as a distinct language from russian. this continued during the soviet period and in both cases had political aims. undermining loyalty to greater russia in the first case and harnessing nationalism as a proletarian struggle against the bourgeois in the second case.

it continues now with the aim to draw a wedge between russia and ukraine and have ukraine eventually join the EU and NATO.

as it stands, official Ukrainian is an artificial language that is awkward in secular use although it functions in academia and journalism well enough. with the passage of more time, it will probably develop as its own language.

there is nothing unusual happening here. see high german, latin, hebrew and even modern literary russian which developed as recently as the 17th century.

the late Professor Zaliznyak referred to Ukrainian as a language. he often referred to it as having retained archaic forms that helped explain things found in medieval russian he was studying.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Defense Politics Asia has a good video out today analyzing Syrskyi's interview in the Guardian. He goes over the reported numbers and it's pretty funny. I only recently started following this guy in the past month or so and have grown to appreciate his perspective.

 

[slavamonolitu]

Hello. I don't know if this has been posted before and I apologise if so, but I have recently read this college report on how Ukrainian agricultural is getting fucked by Western conglomerates and big business, if anyone has had doubts on the real reason why Ukraine is yet to (be allowed to) surrender.

 

[Fapcop]

Honorable service. Woman deserved worse for dressing up her negro pet in Ukrainian garb and teaching it the language.

Also, speaking of Ukrainian: In my exposure to it, I've yet to be convinced that it isn't practically a regional slang of Russian. Is this true? Stuff like "Kyiv" instead of "Kiev" and "Pryvit" instead of "Privet" strike me as idiosyncrasies from local speech rather than significant linguistic distinctions.

That’s basically it: A regional accent. Occasionally they use German or Polish words, or English, but 90% of it is Russian that sounds like it’s being pronounced by a Czech or Polack.

The best comparison of Ukrainian/Russian is someone from the province in my country talking my language. They pronounce things differently, mostly because they’re proud of their little dialect, but it’s mostly for show.

Anyways, here’s a comparison of Ukrainian text next to Russian and English:

https://static.lexicool.com/dictionary/HK3FK118049.pdf

As you can see, it’s pretty damn close, aside from the occasional Ukrainian moon rune that Russians don’t use.