US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Breadbassket]

For all of the accelerationists out there, I know that there’s a chance that Trump doesn’t do much in his second term and that his brand of populism dies out and we go back to the same old gay neoliberal uniparty politics but on steroids for at least several decades but I need you to realize something: violent revolution won’t inevitably lead to the West being saved and a new Chudtopia rising from the ashes. For example, the Russian Revolution, while initially a positive force as it unseated the incompetent Tsarist regime under Nicholas II, quickly got co-opted by the Bolsheviks, who proceeded to beat the Whites and subject Russia to 70 years of Communist tyranny.

In regards to the rise of the USSR and fall of the short-lived Russian Republic, if you like seeing history rhyme or repeat itself try to keep an eye out for any liberal politicians who enable the antics of the far-left.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

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sure late but i havent seen anything corrobating this as being a happening. the only outlets talking about it are random no name ones. i doubt the msm could hide a massive blackout during the olympics

 

[MajinGoku]

what happened is it was laura loomer. lol

so many retards on this website put too much trust in her lying words

 

[mlanguishi]

From one to another, take heart - these things were foretold in the gospel, that many would be led astray by false teachers of the faith, that many would be captured by their desire of the flesh. What we are seeing now is the "great delusion" - I feel that God has given man over to their iniquity at this point, as stated in Timothy. We are not long for the End, hold tight brother.

This is because much of the left has been overtaken by communist ideology and thought at this point. Marxism/communism believes that revolution is an essential component of starting a commie utopia, things have to get so bad that people revolt in support of commie promises. The issue with their thinking in the US as opposed to other places communism has been tried is that pretty much everyone here had a better standard of living under capitalism than anything communism could ever provide. They can make things as dire as they want but many normies still realize that capitalism worked just fine, but commies are nothing if not retarded.

I'll just say this, Lenin and Trostky had this LARPING of 'revolution' as a pure fetisth.

https://www.leftvoice.org/leon-trotsky-if-america-should-go-communist/

Only when socialism succeeds in substituting administrative control for money will it be possible to abandon a stable gold currency. Then money will become ordinary paper slips, like trolley or theater tickets. As socialism advances, these slips will also disappear, and control over individual consumption – whether by money or administration – will no longer be necessary when there is more than enough of everything for everybody!

Trotsky's ideas really show he wasn't just evil, but stupid (educated) He thought we'd have open stores of goods and people would only take what was needed out of shame.

 

[Tsukasa Kadoya]

sure late but i havent seen anything corrobating this as being a happening. the only outlets talking about it are random no name ones. i doubt the msm could hide a massive blackout during the olympics

More than likely its one of 4 possibilities:
1- the grid took a fat shit because of the strain from the Olympics, it happens
2-the WEF's goons obsession with green energy fucked them over and this is only the beginning.
3-a random crash or substation caused a chain reaction that crashed the system. Might have been a squirrel (or likely migrant stealing copper)
4-an actual attack, but if it was it'd be created via an EMP. This looks like the grid just took a dump.

 

[CaddestSlown]

More than likely its one of 4 possibilities:
1- the grid took a fat shit because of the strain from the Olympics, it happens
2-the WEF's goons obsession with green energy fucked them over and this is only the beginning.
3-a random crash or substation caused a chain reaction that crashed the system. Might have been a squirrel (or likely migrant stealing copper)
4-an actual attack, but if it was it'd be created via an EMP. This looks like the grid just took a dump.

This was France, right? So obviously it's a brownout. Eh? Eh?

 

[oh no its pipkun]

More than likely its one of 4 possibilities:
1- the grid took a fat shit because of the strain from the Olympics, it happens
2-the WEF's goons obsession with green energy fucked them over and this is only the beginning.
3-a random crash or substation caused a chain reaction that crashed the system. Might have been a squirrel (or likely migrant stealing copper)
4-an actual attack, but if it was it'd be created via an EMP. This looks like the grid just took a dump.

did paris actually experience a blackout? msm arent saying and ive only seen 2 or 3 vids of questionable source.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

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Holy shit. Is this... Self-awareness?

 

[Puff]

His transformation from when he wrote the book to what is he today is very fascinating. It's a wild how he went from that to branding himself as some sort of populist champion.

Here is a Vance campaign ad from 2022:
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I listened to the audiobook on a long drive Tuesday and I can't figure out what people mean when they say this. I don't see a disconnect between his current platform and the book. At worst, in the book he emphasized cultural problems causing the issues in the Appalachian and rust belt regions while acknowledging the economic and policy ones, and Trump's platform (and what I know of Vance's) omits the cultural problems (which aren't really something you can run on or change with legislation) while focusing on the economic and policy issues. There's no difference in goals or stances, just a shift in focus to what can be done only individually to what the government can do about it.

 

[tehpope]

Back to what? Back to relative global peace? Back to a strong economy? Back to when Americans were somewhat chill with each other? It's a weird vague command that doesn't carry any promises of something better.

Back to the kitchen.

 

[Betonhaus]

Trotsky's ideas really show he wasn't just evil, but stupid (educated) He thought we'd have open stores of goods and people would only take what was needed out of shame.

which makes it extra dumb how they plan to beat the shamed into submission to the point that they don't even have children, and replace them with the shameless that will take anything they can carry

 

[Nick Obre]

I need you to realize something: violent revolution won’t inevitably lead to the West being saved and a new Chudtopia rising from the ashes. For example, the Russian Revolution, while initially a positive force as it unseated the incompetent Tsarist regime under Nicholas II, quickly got co-opted by the Bolsheviks, who proceeded to beat the Whites and subject Russia to 70 years of Communist tyranny.

It's also always important to remember who Robespierre was, what he did, and how things worked out for him.

 

[Bucephalus]

This is because much of the left has been overtaken by communist ideology and thought at this point. Marxism/communism believes that revolution is an essential component of starting a commie utopia, things have to get so bad that people revolt in support of commie promises.

I'll just say this, Lenin and Trostky had this LARPING of 'revolution' as a pure fetisth.

I know "radical left" is a buzzword that gets thrown around a lot, but when you look at people on the far left who really are radicals and willing to use political violence as a means to an end, there's this sort of religious fervor surrounding the mythos of The Revolution.™ Like, you have these people who claim to be anti-fascist, and then you dig a little deeper into their beliefs and you find out the end goal of their philosophy is just the Day of the Rope with different targets, and they don't actually have any sort of plan for replacing the government once they overthrow it.



"Rapture revolutionaries" fits them well, I think. Would like to see that term used more often.

 

[mlanguishi]

I know "radical left" is a buzzword that gets thrown around a lot, but when you look at people on the far left who really are radicals and willing to use political violence as a means to an end, there's this sort of religious fervor surrounding the mythos of The Revolution.™ Like, you have these people who claim to be anti-fascist, and then you dig a little deeper into their beliefs and you find out the end goal of their philosophy is just the Day of the Rope with different targets, and they don't actually have any sort of plan for replacing the government once they overthrow it.

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"Rapture revolutionaries" fits them well, I think. Would like to see it used more.

They really do think, that has been posted in cartoon and memes here, that if the 'capitalism' is gone and their socialist utopia is around.. The wealth of the billionaires and petty bourgeois will flow to them to lay around all day online and play games. They'll be able to stream and do what they want. Nothing matters to them but free gibs and never any consequences. Pre-NEP Soviet ideals of the Paris Commune is old now, and failed. But they expect they'll have easy lives, Vaush and Hassan too, and do nothing instead of working the fields when all their money disappears.

The problem is they'd take the rest of them with us into their hell on Earth if they got their goals.

 

[ForgedBlades]

Atlas Intel, solid pollster in 2020 and 2022. 1,980 RV.

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Really interesting report, actually. Worth a look. I think they were in the top 15% in terms of accuracy in 2020 for the RCP average.

https://atlasintel.org/poll/usa-national-2024-07-27

Spoiler: Interesting highlights

 

[STARS158]

so many retards on this website put too much trust in her lying words

Isn't that the Jewish chick that has a fetish for the controlled oppo Nazis?

 

[WeeKee Leeks]

I know "radical left" is a buzzword that gets thrown around a lot, but when you look at people on the far left who really are radicals and willing to use political violence as a means to an end, there's this sort of religious fervor surrounding the mythos of The Revolution.™ Like, you have these people who claim to be anti-fascist, and then you dig a little deeper into their beliefs and you find out the end goal of their philosophy is just the Day of the Rope with different targets, and they don't actually have any sort of plan for replacing the government once they overthrow it.

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"Rapture revolutionaries" fits them well, I think. Would like to see that term used more often.

It's definitely not a buzzword, Normies freak out about Neonazi's when they have like little to no significance or presence. Almost every major extremist or radical group outside of the muzzies (And sometimes they got a couple Larpers with em) are left wing radicals.

 

[Breadbassket]

I listened to the audiobook on a long drive Tuesday and I can't figure out what people mean when they say this. I don't see a disconnect between his current platform and the book. At worst, in the book he emphasized cultural problems causing the issues in the Appalachian and rust belt regions while acknowledging the economic and policy ones, and Trump's platform (and what I know of Vance's) omits the cultural problems (which aren't really something you can run on or change with legislation) while focusing on the economic and policy issues. There's no difference in goals or stances, just a shift in focus to what can be done only individually to what the government can do about it.

I am curious what his views on the agency of an individual is these days. There is a good chance if he does feel the same on the matter as he did then he doesn't want to bring it up for obvious political reasons. I disagree on the matter that cultural problems can't be changed with legislation, it can be done but is sometimes met with a lot of push back or it can be used to steer someone or a group of people a certain direction.

As for why some are intrigued by J.D. Vance and his political "transformation"s here are a number of excerpts from Hillbilly Elegy:

Spoiler

"There is a cultural movement in the white working class to blame problems on society or the government, and that movement gains adherents by the day.”

“Barack Obama strikes at the heart of our deepest insecurities. He is a good father while many of us aren’t. He wears suits to his job while we wear overalls, if we’re lucky enough to have a job at all. His wife tells us that we shouldn’t be feeding our children certain foods, and we hate her for it—not because we think she’s wrong but because we know she’s right.”

"What separates the successful from the unsuccessful are the expectations that they had for their own lives. Yet the message of the right is increasingly: It’s not your fault that you’re a loser; it’s the government’s fault.”

“I remember watching an episode of The West Wing about education in America, which the majority of people rightfully believe is the key to opportunity. In it, the fictional president debates whether he should push school vouchers (giving public money to schoolchildren so that they escape failing public schools) or instead focus exclusively on fixing those same failing schools. That debate is important, of course—for a long time, much of my failing school district qualified for vouchers—but it was striking that in an entire discussion about why poor kids struggled in school, the emphasis rested entirely on public institutions. As a teacher at my old high school told me recently, “They want us to be shepherds to these kids. But no one wants to talk about the fact that many of them are raised by wolves.”

“whenever people ask me what I’d most like to change about the white working class, I say, “The feeling that our choices don’t matter.”

"If you believe that hard work pays off, then you work hard; if you think it’s hard to get ahead even when you try, then why try at all? Similarly, when people do fail, this mind-set allows them to look outward. I once ran into an old acquaintance at a Middletown bar who told me that he had recently quit his job because he was sick of waking up early. I later saw him complaining on Facebook about the “Obama economy” and how it had affected his life. I don’t doubt that the Obama economy has affected many, but this man is assuredly not among them. His status in life is directly attributable to the choices he’s made, and his life will improve only through better decisions. But for him to make better choices, he needs to live in an environment that forces him to ask tough questions about himself. There is a cultural movement in the white working class to blame problems on society or the government, and that movement gains adherents by the day.”

“social mobility isn’t just about money and economics, it’s about a lifestyle change. The wealthy and the powerful aren’t just wealthy and powerful; they follow a different set of norms and mores. When you go from working-class to professional-class, almost everything about your old life becomes unfashionable at best or unhealthy at worst.”

“I don't know what the answer is, precisely, but I know it starts when we stop blaming Obama or Bush or faceless companies and ask ourselves what we can do to make things better.”

“People talk about hard work all the time in places like Middletown. You can walk through a town where 30 percent of the young men work fewer than twenty hours a week and find not a single person aware of his own laziness.”

“We’ll get fired for tardiness, or for stealing merchandise and selling it on eBay, or for having a customer complain about the smell of alcohol on our breath, or for taking five thirty-minute restroom breaks per shift. We talk about the value of hard work but tell ourselves that the reason we’re not working is some perceived unfairness: Obama shut down the coal mines, or all the jobs went to the Chinese. These are the lies we tell ourselves to solve the cognitive dissonance—the broken connection between the world we see and the values we preach."

“I don’t believe in epiphanies. I don’t believe in transformative moments, as transformation is harder than a moment. I’ve seen far too many people awash in a genuine desire to change only to lose their mettle when they realized just how difficult change actually is.”

“interviews showed me that successful people are playing an entirely different game. They don’t flood the job market with résumés, hoping that some employer will grace them with an interview. They network. They email a friend of a friend to make sure their name gets the look it deserves. They have their uncles call old college buddies. They have their school’s career service office set up interviews months in advance on their behalf. They have parents tell them how to dress, what to say, and whom to schmooze.

“And a young man with every reason to work—a wife-to-be to support and a baby on the way—carelessly tossing aside a good job with excellent health insurance. More troublingly, when it was all over, he thought something had been done to him. There is a lack of agency here—a feeling that you have little control over your life and a willingness to blame everyone but yourself. This is distinct from the larger economic landscape of modern America. It’s”

“Here is where the rhetoric of modern conservatives (and I say this as one of them) fails to meet the real challenges of their biggest constituents. Instead of encouraging engagement, conservatives increasingly foment the kind of detachment that has sapped the ambition of so many of my peers. I have watched some friends blossom into successful adults and others fall victim to the worst of Middletown’s temptations—premature parenthood, drugs, incarceration. What separates the successful from the unsuccessful are the expectations that they had for their own lives. Yet the message of the right is increasingly: It’s not your fault that you’re a loser; it’s the government’s fault.

“So many people abuse the system, it’s impossible for the hardworking people to get the help they need,” she’d say. This was the construct she’d built in her head: Most of the beneficiaries of the system were extravagant moochers, but she—despite never having worked in her life—was an obvious exception.”

“The old adage says that it’s better to be lucky than good. Apparently having the right network is better than both.”

 

[Wherethereisawhip]

As for why some are intrigued by J.D. Vance and his political "transformation"s here are a number of excerpts from Hillbilly Elegy:

His take on Big Mike's food shit is bad though. As stated before in the thread, that school lunch program only made things worse.

 

[The Last Stand]

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It's not a good day to be French.