Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I just cannot understand this kind of thinking. A woman's social credit is so heavily rooted in what she looks like. So, to do that is to destroy a part of her identity and self worth and as Road Dahl put it, their inner thoughts become outer and we see the ugly spiral.
It's quite common in people who were sexually abused as children. Being subjected to such a traumatic experience can set someone at war with their own attractiveness, associating it with being hurt. On a deep level, becoming unattractive is a form of protection against people hurting you. Abused children nearly always blame themselves for what an adult does to them.

Agreed. I know the cop out is that "Its is all where Palpatine got his inspiration from!"

Damn Creamy Sheev must have been the biggest Dromund Kasaboo in the entire rule of two succession, playing Lightsabers of Iron all the time.
In the novels, Plagius has a a huge collection of works on Sith history, their lore and artefacts. It largely goes ignored by him though he sees it as his duty to collect and protect such pieces of Sith history as and when opportunity presents itself. He criticises Palpatine for wasting time studying some of the weirder parts of it, That's why Palpatine knew things like Sith Sorcery which Plagius didn't have much interest in. Palpatine was also a fairly avid collector of historical artifacts and art pieces. That's mentioned in the novels too. Plagius regards it all as a vaguely tolerable foible.
 
In the novels, Plagius has a a huge collection of works on Sith history, their lore and artefacts. It largely goes ignored by him though he sees it as his duty to collect and protect such pieces of Sith history as and when opportunity presents itself. He criticises Palpatine for wasting time studying some of the weirder parts of it, That's why Palpatine knew things like Sith Sorcery which Plagius didn't have much interest in. Palpatine was also a fairly avid collector of historical artifacts and art pieces. That's mentioned in the novels too. Plagius regards it all as a vaguely tolerable foible.

Palpatine also filled up his Supreme Chancellor office with those historical artifacts and art pieces because he knew no one, not even the fucking jedi, had bothered to ever read a history book. Much as if the President of the United States filled up the Oval Office and other public acts with occult/ traditionally deemed as satanic symbolism and iconography knowing that it would go over people's heads because these things would have been long-forgotten.

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Sith spirit urns

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Statues of the sages of Dwartii

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A bas-relief of the Great Hyperspace War

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Sith chalice from Malachor

Screenrant has an article about all of these, but, as anything ScreenRant, it's just a sad excuse for propping out Disney shit. So I ain't linking it.

I trust all of you are acquainted to the EU/Legends lore for all this stuff.
 
Palpatine also filled up his Supreme Chancellor office with those historical artifacts and art pieces because he knew no one, not even the fucking jedi, had bothered to ever read a history book. Much as if the President of the United States filled up the Oval Office and other public acts with occult/ traditionally deemed as satanic symbolism and iconography knowing that it would go over people's heads because these things would have been long-forgotten.
Perfect analogy.

And I can completely see Palps getting a chuckle out of Agen Kolar going on about the Dark Side to Palps whilst obliviously standing in front of a depiction of Darth Bane.
 
Off-topic, but what would be Palpatine platform?

I love that Luceno pretty much made him a liberal: wanted open borders for Naboo, played both for and against corporate interests, appealed to lower classes while benefitting to higher classes. Opposed his CHUD trad dad and his friend.

I think Padme is supposed to be the lefty/progressive politician. Palpatine allied with her, manipulated her and used her when his previous puppets got too broken or unruly.

He acts like an establishment Democrat.

Now then, Anakin is a fucking CHUD and Palps also managed to appeal to him.
 
Off-topic, but what would be Palpatine platform?

I love that Luceno pretty much made him a liberal: wanted open borders for Naboo, played both for and against corporate interests, appealed to lower classes while benefitting to higher classes. Opposed his CHUD trad dad and his friend.

I think Padme is supposed to be the lefty/progressive politician. Palpatine allied with her, manipulated her and used her when his previous puppets got too broken or unruly.

He acts like an establishment Democrat.

Now then, Anakin is a fucking CHUD and Palps also managed to appeal to him.
Interesting that you bring this up, because while listening to Darth Plageius on Audible I realized that Jedi = conservatives and Sith = progressives is a fairly accurate way to look at the dynamics of the Force. I think something can perhaps be learned from how the Jedi, much like conservatives/the religious right, don't really think enough about or get involved with politics, instead they sit on beliefs that they assume to be perfect, and as such don't really have any power to push back once things inevitably start blowing in a certain direction politically.

...Or I'm wrong and autistic; y'all decide 🤔
 
Off-topic, but what would be Palpatine platform?

I love that Luceno pretty much made him a liberal: wanted open borders for Naboo, played both for and against corporate interests, appealed to lower classes while benefitting to higher classes. Opposed his CHUD trad dad and his friend.

I think Padme is supposed to be the lefty/progressive politician. Palpatine allied with her, manipulated her and used her when his previous puppets got too broken or unruly.

He acts like an establishment Democrat.

Now then, Anakin is a fucking CHUD and Palps also managed to appeal to him.
It's a great question but my personal answer might be a little boring. I don't believe you can do an easy mapping from Palpatine to a modern Western democracy. The biggest reason being one that @MTN Dew Rat immediately gravitated to which is the modern association between Social Conservatism and the economic Right. These are not intrinsically associated things but have become so, arguably have been made so, for particular reasons in the real world. Basically Socially Conservative and Economically Left is such a dynamite combination in terms of popularity that most of the Western powers and their academic proxies have spent the last seven decades trying to eliminate it as a thing, if not downright make it illegal where possible (Germany).

Much of Progressivism is a tool to undermine nationalism and populism and prevent exactly what I just talked about. But Palpatine utilises popular opinion against the establishment, discrediting the Jedi and the Republic government, so he doesn't want tools that undermine populism. So he doesn't map onto Progressives or the modern Left. Nor does he map onto modern Right of economic liberalism or capitalism. He brings the banking clans under his direct control - there's even a mini-arc in TCW covering this - and the trade federation ends up as a puppet shell by the end of his rule.

I'd say he is primarily a fascist but having dropped some of the more populist elements of fascism - socialised healthcare, etc. Unless that exists but off-screen. He's squeezing many systems pretty tightly to fund his military and the Death Star. By the end, he's pretty much become pure autocracy-bureaucracy.

But sorry, the question was what platform would he run on before he got that far. He seems to manage the spectacular trick of both being pro-war early on, with endless pushing for more loans to fund the military, restrictions on dialogue with the enemy (Padme literally has to smuggle herself to a Separatist world to negotiate with them), etc. and then become a critic of the war's excesses by the end. He does this in large part by arranging for the Jedi to be the public face of the war and have people blame them for starting it - which they did with their attack on Geonosha and having so many of his actions carried out by proxies. It's not him that proposes lifting financial restrictions in order to fund more clone troopers. He has a proxy do it.

I think the platform question can be a bit misleadling. It suggests he needs widespread popular support to get elected which he doesn't. He was the senator for Naboo which he has more than enough power and influence to secure his position there. He doesn't need to get elected like a US president. All he needs is the votes of the other senators which he secures with much backroom dealing and manipulation. Supreme Chancellor isn't a publically voted on office. It's like Stalin becoming General Secretary.

Ultimately I think his platform such as it is, is the discrediting of democracy. He convinces the public that democracy and bureaucracy have failed so badly that they'll cheer for someone who promises to take it all in hand and clear out the corruption and inefficiency and end the chaos. That's his platform, really: Order and peace. I don't think the modern American electorate can really relate to that as a platform. They haven't faced war in their country for a long time. But it's a message that would resonate strongly with the people of the Republic.
 
Interesting that you bring this up, because while listening to Darth Plageius on Audible I realized that Jedi = conservatives and Sith = progressives is a fairly accurate way to look at the dynamics of the Force. I think something can perhaps be learned from how the Jedi, much like conservatives/the religious right, don't really think enough about or get involved with politics, instead they sit on beliefs that they assume to be perfect, and as such don't really have any power to push back once things inevitably start blowing in a certain direction politically.

...Or I'm wrong and autistic; y'all decide 🤔
I want to say you're being autistic, but there's definitely a difference between Right and Left-wing entertainment. Right-wing entertainment is like Lord of the Rings where it asserts an objective moral Good and the goal is the preservation of Good. It typically has religious and mythic undertones. Religious also means to re-connect with the divine.

Left-wing entertainment does not have religious or mythic undertones. Star Trek, even when it was good, is pretty Left as it's about finding new kinds of people and how they interact. What makes it Left instead of just secular is that non-religious stories are genetically susceptible to Critical Race Theory. Good Star Trek cared about race, that was the meta-point about a racially diverse cast. So, when someone demands that Michael Burham be the most important character in Star Trek ever, fans can't resist it. What makes Star Trek and most Left media bad is that they don't examine how people interact correctly.

In contrast, Right-wing entertainment is resistant to Critical Race Theory. Star Wars firmly establishes Luke as the main character that undergoes a religious awakening, so everything in this story must revolve around him in some way, which Michael Arndt found out. The reason why Rey was never accepted is because she isn't properly connected to Luke and her getting the Force doesn't change her as a character either. While Luke had an arc from whiny teenager to calm sage, Rey doesn't become wiser or sadder for the experience. That's why it's easy to see her as a girl boss and why the Sequels don't have the cultural staying power Disney wants them to have. It's the Hero's Journey, not the stuff happens Journey.
 
"What do you want to say?” I was like, “I wanna say that people don't want me to exist as a gay woman, as a woman in this particular space, working in this wild sandbox.” There was a whole crew of people who believed in me, but deep down, I felt like, “I am unaccepted for who I am because of what I believe in and wanting to wield my power the way I'd like without having to answer to the legion of people that just exist out there.”
When he says, “I want freedom,” that's what I want. I just want freedom. I want to be able to just be out there and be myself and be the type of artist I want to be without having to answer to anybody. That's why I feel so close to him.
Christ. "All I want is to wield complete power over you while you are so dominated that you are forbidden to even speak up in your defense. Anybody who doesn't want me to have this is oppressing me. In order for me to be free, you must be my slave." As always, social justice is not about giving them freedom to act how they want, it's about forbidding you to think what you want.
 
I remember reading this trivia before Disney buyout, so yes.
I'm also surprised that they already stole Great Hyperspace War from EU - I thought that in Disney timeline the Republic is only a thousand years old.

It is only a thousand years sometimes, sometimes it is not.
 
George was right in the "Kill Ahsoka" camp, would have solved a lot of problems, even unforeseen ones right now.
Even simply having the last we saw of Ahsoka being her walking down the steps of the Jedi Temple would have been superior. Anakin begins to distrust the Jedi Council and Ahsoka has a reason to be absent for Revenge of the Sith and the OT. I also find the need for modern stories to explain what happens to EVERY character rather annoying. Ones fate being a mystery is more enjoyable and makes the universe feel larger.

Even in the Hasbro booth, the Star Wars stuff was shunted into a 4ft display case, and the only stuff I saw people looking at were the Phantom Menace figures. Hottest thing in that booth was the MTG Monty Python cacards.
I was already shocked last year when I saw that Star Wars had only two pegs at my local ZOGmart while Jurassic Park had a fourth of the aisle and Star Trek of all things got four. But to see that even the new collectibles aren't getting attention? How far this franchise has fallen.

In an effort to make this post not a total blackpill someone on YouTube reuploaded this old Battlefront II machinima: https://youtu.be/gdOenvTGHys?si=J7P_CBM0TGsiiw2m

I watched this on YouTube as a kid so I'm definitely looking on this with some rose tinted glasses but you can still feel the spirit and creativity Star Wars and its fans had. If only we knew how good we had it.
 
In an effort to make this post not a total blackpill someone on YouTube reuploaded this old Battlefront II machinima: https://youtu.be/gdOenvTGHys?si=J7P_CBM0TGsiiw2m

I watched this on YouTube as a kid so I'm definitely looking on this with some rose tinted glasses but you can still feel the spirit and creativity Star Wars and its fans had. If only we knew how good we had it.
Funny, I recently stumbled upon "Jedi Academy Re-Edited". Gave me a few chuckles.
 
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I feel there's a meme of,

"Star Wars fans not being given what they want."
"Star Trek is like, Hold my beer."

After that new Star Trek trailer for Section 31.
 
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You can bet your ass that if Star Wars didn't sell out and Lucas kept making Star Wars content that had sexy babes, pious Jedi, inspiring Republic/Rebels, and badass Imperials/Sith, the online rags would be calling him a sexist, a fascist, a narrow-minded religious dude, and they'd try to find another alien that they can write off as a racist stereotype so they can accuse him of racism as well.

I feel there's a meme of,

"Star Wars fans not being given what they want."
"Star Trek is like, Hold my beer."

After that new Star Trek trailer for Section 31.
Star Trek fans are like abused housewives. Them and the 40K fans get so much abuse from Paramount and Games Workshop that it makes the treatment Star Wars fans get from Disney seem benign in comparison.

Off-topic, but what would be Palpatine platform?

I love that Luceno pretty much made him a liberal: wanted open borders for Naboo, played both for and against corporate interests, appealed to lower classes while benefitting to higher classes. Opposed his CHUD trad dad and his friend.

I think Padme is supposed to be the lefty/progressive politician. Palpatine allied with her, manipulated her and used her when his previous puppets got too broken or unruly.

He acts like an establishment Democrat.

Now then, Anakin is a fucking CHUD and Palps also managed to appeal to him.
Neo-Con going to full fascist.

Dude talks about altering the constitution to provide more safety, he keeps getting more terms even though they're supposed to have expired, and a lot of the surveillance state that the Neo-Cons set up is mirrored by the Republic's increasing security measures that eventually blossom into Imperial Intelligence and the Imperial Security Bureau. He's obviously Dick Cheney with a red lightsaber, except with better diplomatic skills.

But in his own private beliefs, Palpatine is an enlightened absolutist, in the same vein as Peter the Great of Russia, Frederick II of Prussia, Louis XIV of France, or Joseph II of Austria. He genuinely believes that his rule is for the benefit of most of the galaxy, and that having a powerful Sith ruler with a centralized military is the only thing that can keep things orderly. Given that he's had a lot of experience with corrupt Republic oligarchs and the Jedi who did nothing to curtail them, he feels justified in that belief, because he's had first-hand proof of the fact that the ''democracy'' the Jedi fight for is a hollow farce. Hence why he felt so overconfident against the Rebels, because when they scream that they want to fight for ''democracy and freedom'', he knows that said democracy and freedom were long dead before he even came to the picture.
 
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He genuinely believes that his rule is for the benefit of most of the galaxy, and that having a powerful Sith ruler with a centralized military is the only thing that can keep things orderly.
If he believed in a centralised military then why did he delegate military commands to the regional governors instead of having the entire military controlled centrally from Coruscant Imperial Center? And why did he set up a system that was more or less explicitly designed to collapse spectacularly once he dies?
 
If he believed in a centralised military then why did he delegate military commands to the regional governors instead of having the entire military controlled centrally from Coruscant Imperial Center? And why did he set up a system that was more or less explicitly designed to collapse spectacularly once he dies?
1. delegate the boring work to idiots (while taking power away from planet rulers for shit and giggles)
2. "If I can't have it NO ONE CAN"
 
In tangentially Disney news, I checked out on the over bloated MCU after endgame - thankful before the multiverse "literally nothing matters" shit hit full swing.

But I guess since literal black Kang went and beat his wife IRL and ended him as a viable BBEG, they've been trying to find a new villain. Looks like they have - Dr. Doom played by... ROBERT DOWNEY JR.!

Jesus fucking christ talk about going back to the fucking well. And the new Hulk will have animated husk of Biden Harrison Ford in it. Adn they convince Hugh Jackman to come back for another stint as Wolverine.

Creatively and morally bankrupt with deep enough pockets to bring back people who'd already left.
 
If he believed in a centralised military then why did he delegate military commands to the regional governors instead of having the entire military controlled centrally from Coruscant Imperial Center?
The regional governors answer to the Imperial Center and can get fired at any time by decree.

And why did he set up a system that was more or less explicitly designed to collapse spectacularly once he dies?
Because he never thought he'd die.

Remember, ''a true Sith never dies.'' It is the eternal arrogance of Dark Siders who have fallen beyond reason to think that death will never come for them.
 
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