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US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians
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No empire lasts for ever, no civil order and (almost) no civilization lasts forever. They all decline, and eventually fall. How long and what happens depends on how much wealth, infrastructure, and capital it built up before the fall. You burn through that as the decline fails to refresh or maintain them at a rate higher than its consumption.
The USA has a huge store of wealth, infrastructure, and capital to burn through. If we're doing an orderly decline, it will be a long one. Rome took 300+ years to collapse.
The wild card is natural catastrophes and highly centralized power, meaning cities. We've never had a modern metropolis fail to get its resources for an extended period of time, when the reigning government can't supply or reinforce it. If that happens, it's possible that accelerates decline. Things like the Bronze Age Collapse were relatively sudden, but we don't have good records or a modern equivalent to study.
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I must resist derailing thread with theology. This is US politics general, not US religion general.
To be fair to Japan they KNOW what the problem is. The issue is that fixing it is nigh-impossible. They've overfitted their training on their population, so now they're worker bots who work themselves to death young. The women are too hyper focused on their career to have time for romance even if they really really want it, and especially don't have time for babies, and the men are so herbivore that not only will they not initiate things themselves but if a woman tries to initiate it instead they run away. If they ever switch to mass immigration we can assume the leaders have given up and decided it's better to have Japan in name only than no Japan at all.
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It has nothing to do with MacArthur. The same thing would happen in Taiwan, but not Mainland China. Why?
Because years of law & order. If you grow up in a society where everyone trusts each other and the government is firm but fair, there’s no reason to steal. On the other hand, if you grow up in chaos, you will become chaos.
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The largest and richest empire to have ever existed; The British Empire, fell in 40 years. Sure, that was because of two world wars wiping out men and colonies in quick succession and in large number, but it goes to show that it can all end in a flash or like your example, it can be a drawn-out affair.
I don't think the collapse of America will take more than a generation. I base that on how America reacts. If it silently slumps into second spot like th Russians and British before them, then the world stage will look at them favourably, alowing America to become more isolationist, which would be good for everyone.
However, if they attempt to go out on a bang like the French and Spanish did, they will be dealt with in the same ways; decimation, war, famine and leaving the country a piss-poor shadow of its' former self.
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The assassination attempt, the RNC, Vance's pick, Biden dropping out, and Kamala getting endorsements all happened within the space of about 2 weeks. Usually you don't trust polling until a week or so after one event, because it takes that long for all the normies to hear about and process it.
That's most likely. Trump's team was ready to go with Kamala attacks, but they were in the middle of their post-convention positivity burst when it happened. I expect the DNC to not just give them more ammo, but to inform the normies that the VP they almost never hear about is their Mandatory Vote for this year.
The DNC's job will be to do what the RNC did perfectly, but needlessly: introduce an electorate to a candidate, humanize them, build them up, and splash endorsements on stage. Trump didn't need that all after 8 years, even if it was well done, because he built up his new UNITY shtick with his own speech.
Kamala does need that, but she's hampered by a cringe team, by a total lack of accomplishments or enthusiasm, by her side's intersectional pandering requirements, and by herself being an unlikable idiot. The only potential upside she could get is a boost from endorsements, but after 2020 I think the populace is done being impressed with yet another lefty celebrity saying nice things. (Then again Hulk Hogan legit gave Trump a boost, so I could be wrong.)
The first poll I'll trust will be 1-2 weeks after the DNC wraps up.
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I agree. Another factor not being considered is how easy it is now to move capital a continent away. At the first sign of trouble a handful of billionaires fleeing with their money and the system collapses rather quickly.
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I disagree.
There is an issue with money, is it a medium of exchange or a store of value? This conflict combined with other issues is part of why all fiat money system are sick.
The material wealth of the US is vast, if it were a game of civ its geography is super duper good.
The land can/will still grow food, it can still be shipped. The Elite can have a bunch of abstraction of value but in the face a true collapse it will be worthless.
I also think the comparison between the US and the british empire or the roman empire just dont track. Things are vastly too different.
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Democratic media machine roars for ‘brat’ Kamala Harris. We await that which really matters.
Chicago Tribune (archive.ph)
By The Editorial Board
2024-07-28 10:00:18GMT
Chicago Tribune (archive.ph)
By The Editorial Board
2024-07-28 10:00:18GMT
No one who has witnessed the last few days can doubt the power of the Democratic culture-media machine, a formidable force honed by holding power for 12 of the last 16 years and made up of headline writers, news analysts, Hollywood rainmakers, opinion columnists, TikTokers, influencers, social media meisters and late-night talk-show hosts that ramped up so fast and with such overwhelming and unified force that it propelled Donald Trump’s ill-prepared hair halfway down the Mar-a-Lago fairway.
Republicans have spent the week as dazed and confused as Trump’s terrible acceptance speech at an otherwise disciplined Republican National Convention. Democrats who, just maybe, were thinking of challenging current Vice President Kamala Harris for the Big Job were scared right back into their burrows. “What do you mean, have an open contest? Stand down! Don’t you understand the need to defend democracy?”
It was acceptable to campaign to be vice president. But no higher. Precious few who mattered said a peep.
Finally, a pushed-to-the-brink Joe Biden had said it was time to “pass the torch to a new generation” and make room for “fresh voices, yes, younger voices,” after spending every waking moment since his disastrous debate performance insisting on exactly the opposite. Whiplash for many of us, and in our view raising a tough question or two as to what precisely the heck had been going on, but Democrats implicitly understood that meant the uncomfortable scene needed a fast change. Before the words were out of Biden’s mouth, the left-leaning media’s itchy fingers had hit “publish” on the compensatory Biden-as-statesman pieces they’d had ready for days, and the Democrats didn’t so much turn the corner quickly as barrel right through the Biden building with memes of Harris dancing.
Certain outlets had wagered so intense a campaign to get Biden out (not that we disagreed), it sure looks to us like they are now in danger of overcompensating with premature Harris deification. All reporters and editors have to be wary of the victory dance, and we’re hardly immune. Harris has yet to really address what her positions as president would be. She has not been through a traditional primary process. We don’t yet know enough.
So it’s especially frustrating that strenuous efforts have been made to scrub any and all potential problems from Harris, rather than talk about them honestly and thoroughly. An Axios reporter wrote this past week that “in the past few days, the Trump campaign and Republicans have tagged Harris repeatedly with the “border czar” title — which she never actually had.” It did not take long for X users to unearth a previous Axios report, as written by the very same reporter, saying that Harris had been given, guess what title? Caught in that bind, Axios then had to append an editor’s note saying, “this article has been updated and clarified to note that Axios was among the news outlets that incorrectly labeled Harris a ‘border czar’ in 2021,” even though any nonpartisan figure knows that border czar was the basic idea and she did not exactly impress. Not that the Republicans did any better on this very difficult issue than Harris: Trump, in fact, blocked a potential border deal specifically for his own political gain. Still, it’s not necessary to treat people like they have no memory.
After English pop singer Charli XCX tweeted, “kamala IS brat,” a flattering reference not to sausage but to the 2000s gestalt influenced by confident, para-feminist partying and rave culture, those three words were much amplified to try to make the tough-nosed, 60ish former prosecutor more appealing to young female voters. No matter that the tweeter isn’t even American and thus should butt out. No matter that anyone who cares was already voting for Harris.
The Republicans are failing to see that Democrats are better at ironic co-option and have fresher pop culture references of the kind TikTok loves. But the election should not turn on whatever Harris meant to say about falling out of coconut trees. We’re still waiting for actual positions. Fun she may be, but the substance of Harris as a potential president remains largely unknown. Notwithstanding her time as vice president.
Lamentably, both America’s political machines find it far easier to fire up their base these days than actually talk to undecided voters, which makes you think if one party just reversed that propensity, this would not be a one- or two-point race. Thinking he was well ahead, Trump chose Ohio Sen. JD Vance as his vice presidential pick, a move designed to appeal only to the people who were already going to vote for him, as distinct from the several other available characters who would have broadened his appeal. It took about 10 seconds for Democrats to find a past Vance speech denigrating childless women, thus alienating many women in the suburban constituency Trump needs to win.
Another sign of overconfidence: Trump delivered a tedious 93-minute convention acceptance speech, when he should have stopped cold after his description (riveting and moving, from the convention floor) of the attempt on his life, a day when he showed the kind of courage and fortitude that his rivals have insisted for years was no part whatsoever of his character. But, ever revealingly, he just could not take the win and leave the table.
The battle of Big TikTok is underway and one party clearly is better prepared to wage it. We advocate for both sides talking to the people, not the Chinese algorithms, and remembering that those who feel alienated and left behind by an avalanche of powerful partisanship will be the deciders of this neck-and-neck election.
Republicans have spent the week as dazed and confused as Trump’s terrible acceptance speech at an otherwise disciplined Republican National Convention. Democrats who, just maybe, were thinking of challenging current Vice President Kamala Harris for the Big Job were scared right back into their burrows. “What do you mean, have an open contest? Stand down! Don’t you understand the need to defend democracy?”
It was acceptable to campaign to be vice president. But no higher. Precious few who mattered said a peep.
Finally, a pushed-to-the-brink Joe Biden had said it was time to “pass the torch to a new generation” and make room for “fresh voices, yes, younger voices,” after spending every waking moment since his disastrous debate performance insisting on exactly the opposite. Whiplash for many of us, and in our view raising a tough question or two as to what precisely the heck had been going on, but Democrats implicitly understood that meant the uncomfortable scene needed a fast change. Before the words were out of Biden’s mouth, the left-leaning media’s itchy fingers had hit “publish” on the compensatory Biden-as-statesman pieces they’d had ready for days, and the Democrats didn’t so much turn the corner quickly as barrel right through the Biden building with memes of Harris dancing.
Certain outlets had wagered so intense a campaign to get Biden out (not that we disagreed), it sure looks to us like they are now in danger of overcompensating with premature Harris deification. All reporters and editors have to be wary of the victory dance, and we’re hardly immune. Harris has yet to really address what her positions as president would be. She has not been through a traditional primary process. We don’t yet know enough.
So it’s especially frustrating that strenuous efforts have been made to scrub any and all potential problems from Harris, rather than talk about them honestly and thoroughly. An Axios reporter wrote this past week that “in the past few days, the Trump campaign and Republicans have tagged Harris repeatedly with the “border czar” title — which she never actually had.” It did not take long for X users to unearth a previous Axios report, as written by the very same reporter, saying that Harris had been given, guess what title? Caught in that bind, Axios then had to append an editor’s note saying, “this article has been updated and clarified to note that Axios was among the news outlets that incorrectly labeled Harris a ‘border czar’ in 2021,” even though any nonpartisan figure knows that border czar was the basic idea and she did not exactly impress. Not that the Republicans did any better on this very difficult issue than Harris: Trump, in fact, blocked a potential border deal specifically for his own political gain. Still, it’s not necessary to treat people like they have no memory.
After English pop singer Charli XCX tweeted, “kamala IS brat,” a flattering reference not to sausage but to the 2000s gestalt influenced by confident, para-feminist partying and rave culture, those three words were much amplified to try to make the tough-nosed, 60ish former prosecutor more appealing to young female voters. No matter that the tweeter isn’t even American and thus should butt out. No matter that anyone who cares was already voting for Harris.
The Republicans are failing to see that Democrats are better at ironic co-option and have fresher pop culture references of the kind TikTok loves. But the election should not turn on whatever Harris meant to say about falling out of coconut trees. We’re still waiting for actual positions. Fun she may be, but the substance of Harris as a potential president remains largely unknown. Notwithstanding her time as vice president.
Lamentably, both America’s political machines find it far easier to fire up their base these days than actually talk to undecided voters, which makes you think if one party just reversed that propensity, this would not be a one- or two-point race. Thinking he was well ahead, Trump chose Ohio Sen. JD Vance as his vice presidential pick, a move designed to appeal only to the people who were already going to vote for him, as distinct from the several other available characters who would have broadened his appeal. It took about 10 seconds for Democrats to find a past Vance speech denigrating childless women, thus alienating many women in the suburban constituency Trump needs to win.
Another sign of overconfidence: Trump delivered a tedious 93-minute convention acceptance speech, when he should have stopped cold after his description (riveting and moving, from the convention floor) of the attempt on his life, a day when he showed the kind of courage and fortitude that his rivals have insisted for years was no part whatsoever of his character. But, ever revealingly, he just could not take the win and leave the table.
The battle of Big TikTok is underway and one party clearly is better prepared to wage it. We advocate for both sides talking to the people, not the Chinese algorithms, and remembering that those who feel alienated and left behind by an avalanche of powerful partisanship will be the deciders of this neck-and-neck election.
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What's the complaint? Vance was within 10 feet of a swastika so he's a nazi?
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For all of you who might be interested in immigration when it comes to the United States, Pew Research Center released an article called "How the origins of America’s immigrants have changed since 1850" a few days ago.
Here are a couple figures from it:
Here are a couple figures from it:
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You know what? I agree with this guy. If you supported a candidate and WON, the least you can do is stick with them before your party decides to do a bait and switch.
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The fact they're running with Kamala essentially being a "Bratty Bottom" is so tiring for me. It's like they're saying the quiet part out loud but no one is quite catching on to it. The people using the language probably don't even know this woman attended orgies to gain her political power, or if they do, they're celebrating it, knowing how kink brained idiots can't show restraint and balance between serious issues and their jollies.
Anyone with a sound mind can assume she took orders no issue during those romps, so she could get her position (doggy most likely) in the system. She has no backbone and buckles under stress with laughter. She's not a even brat, she's a pushover who very likely isn't making her own choices. Completely opposite to the persona they're portraying.
Basically, she's just a whore, but I guess that isn't as catchy and hip with the kids.
Anyone with a sound mind can assume she took orders no issue during those romps, so she could get her position (doggy most likely) in the system. She has no backbone and buckles under stress with laughter. She's not a even brat, she's a pushover who very likely isn't making her own choices. Completely opposite to the persona they're portraying.
Basically, she's just a whore, but I guess that isn't as catchy and hip with the kids.
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You know, this makes me think about something that fucking irks me whenever I talk about politics, especially these sorts of groups.
Whenever you complain about BLM, you get fuckers crawling out of the woodwork being like "oh, so you have black lives and want them to die?
" No, you motherfucker, I am talking about the political group. The one that accepts finances and has leaders making decisions.
How can "Black Lives Matter" endorse or denounce a candidate? How can a statement make a decision?
It's like this with every other quantum state political group. You criticise the organizers and the people who control the money, and it's turned into an attack on a whole group or idea. See gay activist groups and just stop oil.
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And yet, the right hasn't figured this one simple trick out. Edit: Although Arguably MAGA is the start of Trump teaching them it.You know, this makes me think about something that fucking irks me whenever I talk about politics, especially these sorts of groups.
Whenever you complain about BLM, you get fuckers crawling out of the woodwork being like "oh, so you have black lives and want them to die?
No, you motherfucker, I am talking about the political group. The one that accepts finances and has leaders making decisions.
How can "Black Lives Matter" endorse or denounce a candidate? How can a statement make a decision?
It's like this with every other quantum state political group. You criticise the organizers and the people who control the money, and it's turned into an attack on a whole group or idea. See gay activist groups and just stop oil.
Hell, I wanted some enterprising young asshole to register the charity "The Alt-Right" and threaten to sue any journalist or twitter user that claimed someone was a "member of The Alt-Right" without permission.
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send to all self-proclaimed "dissident" righties who are pretentiously claiming that Trump being back in the Oval Office is not a real win and that maybe we should "accelerate by giving America a Kamala Presidency"
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just fake and the gambling addicts have the right of it.
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When Harris supporters tell you, "We won't go back!" you should ask them, "Won't go back to what? Low gas prices? Low inflation? No major conflicts in Europe and the Middle East?"
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I thought the same thing as soon as I heard that motto. I know they mean "Won't go back to Trump" but it's a great accidental self-own.
They really need to hire a meme department.
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DAMN THAT POLITICIAN NCIE
(i'm still only 814 pages in that thread, but by shit if it isn't a good one)
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Tbf I do also think that the far left in America has a very, very low chance of successfully securing even a part of the country for themselves in a hypothetical 2ACW, I just brought up the Russian Revolution as a general example of violent revolution yielding a worse outcome than sticking with the status quo ever could, not as a more direct comparison to ANTIFA supersoldiers winning and enacting Total Billionaire Death or anything silly like that. I should’ve clarified that I don’t believe that Trump alone will be able to “fix” America, but that his ideological heirs could. I understand that the above proposition is optimistic, so perhaps you are right about America continuing to decline.
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